Euro 2012 makes me sick

[Go_Daei]

[KC McElroy]

Why are you guys arguing with a guy who can't grasp the fact that there is a huge and non-comparable difference between CHANGING your nationality, and CHOOSING to represent the country you grew up and lived in.
when you play for a national team, you are representing the ideals of a country and it's people, NOT a bloodline.
And seriously KC, iran has been one of the worlds largest mixing pots! we are the center of the world ( beside the americas)
We have afro-arab bloodlines in the west! Central Eurasian in the north, and hindus and mongolic in the east.
We are probably one of the most un-pure races on the planet. and I love that! we weren't racist upon empire expansion and eventually everyone intermarried and we now have the typical "persian person"

I already explained to you it's not about race.

'Selfish Balotelli deserves a lot of slaps' - Di Canio
"Against Germany he did two good things [by scoring both goals], but in the end I saw a player who was just waiting to celebrate [at the final whistle]. Balotelli does not play for the team, only for himself.
"He is an egotist, who thinks the world revolves around him. For guys like Balotelli, he deserves lots of slaps rather than pats on the shoulder from Prandelli because he is young."

Very true. I pointed this out before that the Ghanian guy stormed off the field and refused to join the actual Italians after the final whistle once he realized he will not be getting a gold medal.

because qatars players werent raised there and hav no previous backround in qatar, they wer pretty much BOUGHT OUT...

but if someone was raised in a country and feel like they are part of that society, its fine

Were those players already living and playing in the qatar league when they were bought as you put it or were they first bought through citizenship and then brought to qatar to live and play in the league?

Well I guess we are different in that regard as I wouldn't be ok with it. Their roots and bloodline is in Japan and given the nationality I chose for my example it would be very visible as well to anyone who wasn't aware of their background. Not that it would make a difference as my opinion would be the same even if I chose a nationality that was less visible as originally being non-Iranian.
Why is it then we have a problem with qatar's players?

because qatars players werent raised there and hav no previous backround in qatar, they wer pretty much BOUGHT OUT...

but if someone was raised in a country and feel like they are part of that society, its fine

[palangheTM]

'Selfish Balotelli deserves a lot of slaps' - Di Canio
"Against Germany he did two good things [by scoring both goals], but in the end I saw a player who was just waiting to celebrate [at the final whistle]. Balotelli does not play for the team, only for himself.
"He is an egotist, who thinks the world revolves around him. For guys like Balotelli, he deserves lots of slaps rather than pats on the shoulder from Prandelli because he is young."

[KeonKish]

Why are you guys arguing with a guy who can't grasp the fact that there is a huge and non-comparable difference between CHANGING your nationality, and CHOOSING to represent the country you grew up and lived in.
when you play for a national team, you are representing the ideals of a country and it's people, NOT a bloodline.
And seriously KC, iran has been one of the worlds largest mixing pots! we are the center of the world ( beside the americas)
We have afro-arab bloodlines in the west! Central Eurasian in the north, and hindus and mongolic in the east.
We are probably one of the most un-pure races on the planet. and I love that! we weren't racist upon empire expansion and eventually everyone intermarried and we now have the typical "persian person"

[KC McElroy]

Those who are against the composition of Qatar team believe Qatar paid some South American players to change their citizenship in order to play for the Qatar national team. Are this people as attached to Qatar as Balotelli is to Italy? The answer is simple. No.
There are many religious Italian families who have adopted kids from Africa, Asia, or Brazil. These kids have no memory of their country of origins. The only thing they know is that they were adopted by extremely nice new parents who saved their life and they do not know their native parents.
To me, Balotelli is an Italian. He did not change his citizenship for playing football. His current parents are Italian; they are not Ghanaian. The Ghanaian parents abandoned him.
A beautiful team is the one that represents the present reality of a country. In Europe, there are many Africans

Well I'm not considering the intention (which is impossible anyway unless you read someone's mind) when deciding who I think belongs to a certain nationality. I do it strictly through the bloodline. It's not possible to read everyone's mind (although in qatar's case it is kinda clear) to see if changing their nationality was because of money or not. Likewise it's hard to say whether certain players (qatari ones specifically) are attached to the country they have moved to. It is possible though to see what their bloodline is (or isn't). I don't blame such players for trying to achieve fame or success through international play although I do blame them for not having pride in their origins. I also blame coaches for not sticking with players of the nationality of the country they are coaching but at the same time I do not blame them for trying to achive results by using currently legal tactics and utilizing naturalized players.
To those adopted kids who don't know where they are from, as far as national team play I say too bad. I'd love to see TM represnted by different Iranian cities and ethnicities that all can be traced back to Iran. I don't wish to see sons of Japanese, English, Nigerian or Brazilian parents wearing TM's uniform regardless of whether they were born and raised in Iran.
I think the main disagreement we have is summed up in your last sentence. I think a team should represent the roots of the country as opposed to its present reality. I think we are both pretty adamant about our opinion and neither one will convince the other so this is probably one of the scenarios where we should agree to disagree.

[Asghar Agha]

Well I guess we are different in that regard as I wouldn't be ok with it. Their roots and bloodline is in Japan and given the nationality I chose for my example it would be very visible as well to anyone who wasn't aware of their background. Not that it would make a difference as my opinion would be the same even if I chose a nationality that was less visible as originally being non-Iranian.
Why is it then we have a problem with qatar's players?

Those who are against the composition of Qatar team believe Qatar paid some South American players to change their citizenship in order to play for the Qatar national team. Are this people as attached to Qatar as Balotelli is to Italy? The answer is simple. No.

There are many religious Italian families who have adopted kids from Africa, Asia, or Brazil. These kids have no memory of their country of origins. The only thing they know is that they were adopted by extremely nice new parents who saved their life and they do not know their native parents.
To me, Balotelli is an Italian. He did not change his citizenship for playing football. His current parents are Italian; they are not Ghanaian. The Ghanaian parents abandoned him.

A beautiful team is the one that represents the present reality of a country. In Europe, there are many Africans

[Go_Daei]

a lot of times someone like Biliotti are gifted but very confused and need a lot of time to learn how to behave & find a lot of enemies and haters while at it. he reminds me of the boxer mike tyson a bit... can be very destructive and even harmful to self/club/fans/strangers... though I hear he's done some good deeds here'n there as well.

[KC McElroy]

of course. to me, it's ok. I have absolutely no problem with them representing Iran. For years, my nephew represented France in international competitions (not football but another ...) and was even for two years the captain of the French team. Then why should I be against a Japanese born in Iran representing my native country?

Well I guess we are different in that regard as I wouldn't be ok with it. Their roots and bloodline is in Japan and given the nationality I chose for my example it would be very visible as well to anyone who wasn't aware of their background. Not that it would make a difference as my opinion would be the same even if I chose a nationality that was less visible as originally being non-Iranian.
Why is it then we have a problem with qatar's players?

[Asghar Agha]

I'm not asking if they can or not, that would be up to the rules and based on the current rules obviously they can as long as they have Iranian citizenship. My question is would you be ok seeing the described 11 originally Japanese players representing TM on the soccer field?

of course. to me, it's ok. I have absolutely no problem with them representing Iran. For years, my nephew represented France in international competitions (not football but another ...) and was even for two years the captain of the French team. Then why should I be against a Japanese born in Iran representing my native country?

[KC McElroy]

definitely they can play football for Iran if they feel Iranian.

I'm not asking if they can or not, that would be up to the rules and based on the current rules obviously they can as long as they have Iranian citizenship. My question is would you be ok seeing the described 11 originally Japanese players representing TM on the soccer field?

[Asghar Agha]

AA I am not trying to be funny. If someone tells me or my son (who are both born in the US but have our bloodline traced to Iran) that he is not American, I will agree with them and thank them for saying that.
I am not disagreeing with anyone playing football, I am disagreeing with someone representing a country that is not theirs. They might as well should have invited qatar as a guest team.
Again back to my original question that everyone seems to avoid answering: If you could currently find 11 Japanese couples that had moved to Iran 30 years ago, gave birth to sons and their sons grew up in Iran and were thus based on the agrument against me 100% Iranian, would you be ok with these 11 originally Japanese players being fielded for TM?

definitely they can play football for Iran if they feel Iranian.

[KC McElroy]

It's sad. I wish him the best luck. Reading Italian newspapers of yesterday, he is highly appreciated by Italians in general; even the most rightist newspapers. He closed the mouth of many racists in Italy because of his personality, and his playing style. Balotelli opened the eyes of many Italians.
It is very common to find such orphan kids in the streets of Accra; kids who die usually at the age of 10 to 15.
Balotelli is right that his Italian parents were angel. Only angels save the life of kids.
It's simply outrageous that this thread isn't yet closed. This thread is full of hatred, and racism. Sad to see KC behaving like that and thinking he is funny. If one does to his kids the remarks that he has made in this thread, he will then realize how low and unfunny are his posts in this thread.
Talking about ethnicity, bloodline, and skin color in the 21st century as criteria for playing football show how a person can be bounded and racist.

AA I am not trying to be funny. If someone tells me or my son (who are both born in the US but have our bloodline traced to Iran) that he is not American, I will agree with them and thank them for saying that.
I am not disagreeing with anyone playing football, I am disagreeing with someone representing a country that is not theirs. They might as well should have invited qatar as a guest team.
Again back to my original question that everyone seems to avoid answering: If you could currently find 11 Japanese couples that had moved to Iran 30 years ago, gave birth to sons and their sons grew up in Iran and were thus based on the agrument against me 100% Iranian, would you be ok with these 11 originally Japanese players being fielded for TM?

[KC McElroy]

so, going with Mr MC's twisted Hitleric theories there basically should not be one black player in Euro 2012 as non of them has European roots.
players like Ashley Cole should try to trace his roots and wherever he came from before playing for England!

Teymourian shouldn't play for Iran because he's not Persian? it's funny! because he'll be the 1st one i pick on the team sheet.

no mate! you are Racist.

i'm surprised PFDC haven't had a word yet! but i usually get warning all the time?

Read what I wrote again. Trace it back to when the country was established, not the beginning of time. And if at the time when the country was established there were no black people there, then they shouldn't have any representing their national team today.
Let me know if you need clarification on the definition of racism.

[Asghar Agha]

It's sad. I wish him the best luck. Reading Italian newspapers of yesterday, he is highly appreciated by Italians in general; even the most rightist newspapers. He closed the mouth of many racists in Italy because of his personality, and his playing style. Balotelli opened the eyes of many Italians.
It is very common to find such orphan kids in the streets of Accra; kids who die usually at the age of 10 to 15.
Balotelli is right that his Italian parents were angel. Only angels save the life of kids.

It's simply outrageous that this thread isn't yet closed. This thread is full of hatred, and racism. Sad to see KC behaving like that and thinking he is funny. If one does to his kids the remarks that he has made in this thread, he will then realize how low and unfunny are his posts in this thread.
Talking about ethnicity, bloodline, and skin color in the 21st century as criteria for playing football show how a person can be bounded and racist.