Euro 2012 makes me sick

[PSGman#19]

What about Ludovic Obraniak (Bordeaux) and Damien perquis (Sochaux french ligue 1) that joined Poland national team because :

- they were not good enough for France
- They have one of their grand parents that are polish (the guy from Sochaux has a 100% french name)
- they don't speak (or very little) polish
- They don't know the country (or very little).

I think people in Poland are not very happy with such a move.

[KC McElroy]

Yes, good find. Look at this quote:



If that isn't the definition of 'selling out', I don't know what is?

No no, it's not selling out. Afterall nationality doesn't get transferred through bloodlines for him to be selling out.

[Kaveh Ahangar]

I actually looked up his posts from when qatar was being considered as host of the World Cup. He was saying how he would love them to get it as it would raise the price of his house there and if Iranians had a problem with them advertising the ar ar Gulf name then they should just turn off their TVs and not watch the World Cup.

http://www.persianfootball.com/forum...2022-world-cup

Yes, good find. Look at this quote:

2- the price of my house (2km from Khalifa stadium) there will go up up up.

If that isn't the definition of 'selling out', I don't know what is?

[KC McElroy]

Welcome to PFDC, our Qatari friend

It all makes perfect sense now. I remember you were having real difficulty with the name of the Persian Gulf in this forum.
I can see why now.

I actually looked up his posts from when qatar was being considered as host of the World Cup. He was saying how he would love them to get it as it would raise the price of his house there and if Iranians had a problem with them advertising the ar ar Gulf name then they should just turn off their TVs and not watch the World Cup.

http://www.persianfootball.com/forums/showthread.php?89511-How-would-you-react-if-Qatar-was-given-the-right-to-host-the-2022-world-cup

[Kaveh Ahangar]

yes, i lived in and grew up in Qatar and if i was a footballer and they asked me to represent them while Iran thought i wasn't good enough (like the ones who represent Qatar now) i would be delighted to represent them. its my 2nd home (like it or not). and as i have a British passport and was born in Hamburg i would have no problem representing either of them too...

Welcome to PFDC, our Qatari friend

It all makes perfect sense now. I remember you were having real difficulty with the name of the Persian Gulf in this forum.
I can see why now.

[KC McElroy]

any player with a passport from the EU is an EU player. Dejageh has both passports and plays in Germany with it. same With Demba Ba in Newcastle who has a French passport and doesn't need work permit as he's from the EU but both play for their national teams. get your facts right.

yes, i lived in and grew up in Qatar and if i was a footballer and they asked me to represent them while Iran thought i wasn't good enough (like the ones who represent Qatar now) i would be delighted to represent them. its my 2nd home (like it or not). and as i have a British passport and was born in Hamburg i would have no problem representing either of them too. doesn't make me less Persian.

FYI: In 2005 before the Asian games in Doha, i tried to join the Iranian national Tenpin Bowling team, i was that good. they didn't pick me (connections) and i watched them get their a$$ kicked and told them why didn't they pick me?!?! they said i'm not experienced enough! then i showed them my season results, my average was better than the whole team. i told them after that to forget me. it was all about ego! the reason i wasn't picked is i learned and played the game in Qatar! funny, as two Qatari players won the 1989 & 1999 single world cups and Salem Bu Shirback the world champion in 1989 used to train me and take care of me, he didn't care where i was from, he wanted to make me a better player and if i represent his country one day then be it.

snap out of the redneck bubble. we are in 2012 not in the deep south of 1920s.

This is where you are wrong and every Iranian will agree with me. See the cases of Eskandarian, Agassi or Behrang Safari and what Iranians think of them. Also interesting that although you consider nationality to change based on moving somewhere but yet you still tried out for Iran's Tenpin Bowling team, indicating contrary to what you say you in fact do believe in the KKK mentality that nationality is kept intact through bloodlines. Delighted to represent qatar? LOL....
Also my facts were right. Any player who has a bloodline to a country within the EU can get an EU passport and thus not be considered a foreigner in the EU. Many American players as noted above are proof of this.

[roy]

That means FIFA recognizes bloodlines. I believe EU does the same when determining who is an EU player and who is a foreigner. Many American players have been classified as EU players based on their bloodline.

any player with a passport from the EU is an EU player. Dejageh has both passports and plays in Germany with it. same With Demba Ba in Newcastle who has a French passport and doesn't need work permit as he's from the EU but both play for their national teams. get your facts right.

yes, i lived in and grew up in Qatar and if i was a footballer and they asked me to represent them while Iran thought i wasn't good enough (like the ones who represent Qatar now) i would be delighted to represent them. its my 2nd home (like it or not). and as i have a British passport and was born in Hamburg i would have no problem representing either of them too. doesn't make me less Persian.

FYI: In 2005 before the Asian games in Doha, i tried to join the Iranian national Tenpin Bowling team, i was that good. they didn't pick me (connections) and i watched them get their a$$ kicked and told them why didn't they pick me?!?! they said i'm not experienced enough! then i showed them my season results, my average was better than the whole team. i told them after that to forget me. it was all about ego! the reason i wasn't picked is i learned and played the game in Qatar! funny, as two Qatari players won the 1989 & 1999 single world cups and Salem Bu Shirback the world champion in 1989 used to train me and take care of me, he didn't care where i was from, he wanted to make me a better player and if i represent his country one day then be it.

snap out of the redneck bubble. we are in 2012 not in the deep south of 1920s.

[KC McElroy]

This is what I think in terms of who should be playing for what country...

It comes down to where you learned to play football. Balotelli learned to play football in Italy, so he should play for Italy. Fabio Cesar, Marcos Senna, Cacau... they all learned how to play soccer in Brazil so they shouldn't be playing for other national teams. They were naturalized by the country they were working in. There should be an age limit for naturalization. You can only play for a country that naturalized you, if you became a citizen before you turned 18. That will show that you grew up in a country and learned to play soccer there.

Another case is Thaigo Motta. He also learned to play in Brazil, but he was able to become an Italian citizen since he has Italian ancestry (I think through grandparents). FIFA allows you to play for a country that your grandparents were born in. They should change it to as far as where your parents were born.


So yeah, that's what I think.

That means FIFA recognizes bloodlines. I believe EU does the same when determining who is an EU player and who is a foreigner. Many American players have been classified as EU players based on their bloodline.

[Messy]

This is what I think in terms of who should be playing for what country...

It comes down to where you learned to play football. Balotelli learned to play football in Italy, so he should play for Italy. Fabio Cesar, Marcos Senna, Cacau... they all learned how to play soccer in Brazil so they shouldn't be playing for other national teams. They were naturalized by the country they were working in. There should be an age limit for naturalization. You can only play for a country that naturalized you, if you became a citizen before you turned 18. That will show that you grew up in a country and learned to play soccer there.

Another case is Thaigo Motta. He also learned to play in Brazil, but he was able to become an Italian citizen since he has Italian ancestry (I think through grandparents). FIFA allows you to play for a country that your grandparents were born in. They should change it to as far as where your parents were born.


So yeah, that's what I think.

[KC McElroy]

This argument won't hold water. Just because Balotelli chose not to stay on the field doesn't mean that everybody with foreign roots in all national teams do the same.

Go and look up the medal ceremony from World cup 2010 and you'll see that players with roots from other parts of the world (in other words - no Dutch blood in their veins) like Eljero Elia, Ibrahim Afellay, Ryan Babel, etc. all stayed on the field and congratulated their Spanish opponents, even after they received their gold medals.

Players who have no bloodline might stay on the field. But when a player leaves the field it can almost definitely be said he has no blood ties to the country he fake represented. Barwuah showed his priority was not Italy but winning a gold medal, with whatever country that he could fake their nationality.

[Raptor]

You are incorrect. Italy has plenty of d!kheads with big egos but all the actual Italians stayed on the field, congratulated Spain, consoled each other and acknowledged their fans in the stands. It was only Barwuah who chose not to stay with them once he realized the chance of getting a gold medal from his misrepresentation of nationalities was over.

This argument won't hold water. Just because Balotelli chose not to stay on the field doesn't mean that everybody with foreign roots in all national teams do the same.

Go and look up the medal ceremony from World cup 2010 and you'll see that players with roots from other parts of the world (in other words - no Dutch blood in their veins) like Eljero Elia, Ibrahim Afellay, Ryan Babel, etc. all stayed on the field and congratulated their Spanish opponents, even after they received their gold medals.

[KC McElroy]

When the UK was formed there were no Blacks.

they started cumming at the end of last century as slaves. so. Can Ashley Cole play for England?

I had first said no but I'm editing my response as I rethought whether it would be possible. Even if we take your word for it that there were no blacks in the UK at the time of its creation (although we're really talking about England, not UK) he still could play for England if somewhere along his bloodline an English person married a foreigner who was black. That way he still would have a bloodline that traces back to England's origins in addition to one that traces to another country and he could represent either one. Again his eligibility would be based on his bloodline, not simply because his foreigner ancestor moved to England which would still not make the ancestor English (although his or her children would be based on his or her marriage to an English person).

Balotelli didnt celebrate because he is a d!ckhead, nothing to do with race or color or any of your KKK stuff. he's just a knob.

yes, all the players representing Qatar lived there and played football there before getting the passport. everything was done within FIFA rules. i am starting to guess that the whole point of your argument is down to the fact we couldn't beat them?

oh, here's one! South Africa! can white players represent them? what about the US? if we go by your rules there'll be not even 1 original player left.
and what about one of my all time favorite players! Azizi? according to your rules 29-11-1997 never happened and he didn't score the best goal of all time!

when you say the words roots & bloodline when restricting players from playing for their country that is the core of racism.

You are incorrect. Italy has plenty of d!kheads with big egos but all the actual Italians stayed on the field, congratulated Spain, consoled each other and acknowledged their fans in the stands. It was only Barwuah who chose not to stay with them once he realized the chance of getting a gold medal from his misrepresentation of nationalities was over.
When was Iran formed as a country? Give me the date and then we can review any Iranian players that you would like.
What I say has nothing to do with race or us not being able to beat qatar. It's about people representing a country that they don't really represent as their bloodline traces elsewhere. Just about everyone in the world (except qataris, fake or real) agree with my reasoning when it applies to qatar.
I am 100% for roots and bloodlines allowing players to play for their country. I am also 100% for roots and bloodlines restricting players from playing for another country.
Knowing how you told us you lived in qatar should your subsequent generations play for Iran or qatar? The answer to that question will tell us your true thoughts on this topic of whether you think fake nationalities obtained simply by moving somewhere take priority over bloodlines.

[roy]

Very true. I pointed this out before that the Ghanian guy stormed off the field and refused to join the actual Italians after the final whistle once he realized he will not be getting a gold medal.


Were those players already living and playing in the qatar league when they were bought as you put it or were they first bought through citizenship and then brought to qatar to live and play in the league?

Balotelli didnt celebrate because he is a d!ckhead, nothing to do with race or color or any of your KKK stuff. he's just a knob.

yes, all the players representing Qatar lived there and played football there before getting the passport. everything was done within FIFA rules. i am starting to guess that the whole point of your argument is down to the fact we couldn't beat them?

oh, here's one! South Africa! can white players represent them? what about the US? if we go by your rules there'll be not even 1 original player left.
and what about one of my all time favorite players! Azizi? according to your rules 29-11-1997 never happened and he didn't score the best goal of all time!

when you say the words roots & bloodline when restricting players from playing for their country that is the core of racism.

[roy]

Read what I wrote again. Trace it back to when the country was established, not the beginning of time. And if at the time when the country was established there were no black people there, then they shouldn't have any representing their national team today.
Let me know if you need clarification on the definition of racism.

When the UK was formed there were no Blacks.

they started cumming at the end of last century as slaves. so. Can Ashley Cole play for England?

[Shahin K]

If there's one thing I would change is that national team coaches should be of tje same country..I mean it's not fair to have a foreign coach. Its actually a weird descision.