Do you expect TM players to do something in the honour of Mahsa Amini on Friday's gam

[O-ZoNe]

General and honest questions to anyone (not just IRN):

So do we round up all the morality police (let's say all the women for the sake of argument) and smash their heads in to cause a coma and death?

Do we do this to tens of thousands of IR supporters (Iranians)?

What do we do with their children and grand children who then hold a lifelong memory of this purge, and then decide to rise up in 40 years time against the current government? Do we keep purging them?

Do you see how this cycle will continue? (Shah smashes skulls that lead to IR in 1979. IR smashed skulls that lead to revolution in 20xx. Government x smashes skulls that lead to revolution in 20xx...)

I know our emotions are high (rightfully). I know that I'd PERSONALLY want to smash some skulls if my sister/mother/daughter was killed by this criminals. But I want you to think about what we would do as a SOCIETY.

Anyone who commits a crime can be held accountable by a court of law. Perhaps even judged by peers. But you are right...eye for an eye will make the world go blind.

In the end Islamists have existed in Iran since Safavid dynasty. They aren't going anywhere. Same with Shahis, and other groups. This is the reality of the melting pot that is Iran. Now that pot can tip over and scald us all or it can cook something meaningful for all of us to share in.

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[IranFTW]

We're starting to get ahead of ourselves here. I do find it amusing that in general on different forums, the more people have shown indifference toward this regime's "undemocratic" conduct, the more they're obsessed with "democratic" treatment of IR criminals now!

But this doesn't even matter right now. What matters is that we have not overthrown the regime and are locked in a WAR. A war with scum who've committed crimes against our people that even foreign armies would refrain from.

No Iranian can possibly be in the dark about the atrocities this regime has committed, therefore they can't be given a pass for endorsing it or pretending it's some 50/50 issue. This means those who directly commit violence must be fought by any means possible, and those who enable the violence through declaring support or making "neutral" comments (like Amiri) must be shamed and ostracized. A major part of winning this war involves making unprincipled people understand that ingratiating themselves to the enemies of the nation will cost them social capital and a place in mainstream society. And that's the bare minimum.

[Nokhodi]

In revolutions, the highest of the high usually escape. Even after Nazi germany fell, alot of their elites in intelligence and technology were either moved to countries like the US or UK, or given new identities and allowed to live their lives as before essentially.
Then some random dude who baked bread for some barracks, gets torn apart (literally) because he was the easiest target to pick.
The revolution is coming, it will succeed, but we have to ask ourselves about the day after - do we want to make it about petty revenge, or actually changing the country.
By the way what I'm saying does not mean guys like Khamenei get off free - no, not at all. All should be tried, and exposed for their crimes against Iran and Iranian people and then sentenced to jail forever!

[taremiscores]

General and honest questions to anyone (not just IRN):

So do we round up all the morality police (let's say all the women for the sake of argument) and smash their heads in to cause a coma and death?

Do we do this to tens of thousands of IR supporters (Iranians)?

What do we do with their children and grand children who then hold a lifelong memory of this purge, and then decide to rise up in 40 years time against the current government? Do we keep purging them?

Do you see how this cycle will continue? (Shah smashes skulls that lead to IR in 1979. IR smashed skulls that lead to revolution in 20xx. Government x smashes skulls that lead to revolution in 20xx...)

I know our emotions are high (rightfully). I know that I'd PERSONALLY want to smash some skulls if my sister/mother/daughter was killed by this criminals. But I want you to think about what we would do as a SOCIETY.

You’re a better man than I am diz jaan.

I see your logic. But on the street, if they are oppressing others - then self defense and rules of war apply.

I like idea of tribunal and life imprisonment and hard labour. Hell, working an actual job is probably worst than death for these moftkhors.

[diz]

Respect? Why should we respect anyone associated with this murderous and brutal regime? Any single person who is a member or supports this regime doesn’t deserve the slightest form of respect. Enough with this. For 43 years we ,,respected“ and tolerated them. For over 40 years we had hopes and patience that this regime will ,,reform“. For over 40 years we thought that elections in this system can change something but every time we were disappointed. Enough with this ,,respect them“ or ,,talk nice“ to them. They deserve the worst and to hell with any worthless regime supporter. This regime must go. I have to admit that I was one of the persons who was fooled that reforms are possible and I still feel like an idiot when I think about it. Any person, doesn’t matter if Torabi or a Basiji himself deserves nothing more than disrespect and the same treatment they give to our fellow countrymen who have enough of these monsters. No more of this. No more of tolerating these miserable motherless f*cks who don’t give a shit about us! Marg bar Jomhurye Eslami and the supporters who encourage their crimes against humanity!

General and honest questions to anyone (not just IRN):

So do we round up all the morality police (let's say all the women for the sake of argument) and smash their heads in to cause a coma and death?

Do we do this to tens of thousands of IR supporters (Iranians)?

What do we do with their children and grand children who then hold a lifelong memory of this purge, and then decide to rise up in 40 years time against the current government? Do we keep purging them?

Do you see how this cycle will continue? (Shah smashes skulls that lead to IR in 1979. IR smashed skulls that lead to revolution in 20xx. Government x smashes skulls that lead to revolution in 20xx...)

I know our emotions are high (rightfully). I know that I'd PERSONALLY want to smash some skulls if my sister/mother/daughter was killed by this criminals. But I want you to think about what we would do as a SOCIETY.

[Futbaldoost]

Hossein Mahini has been arrested and moved to Evin. Both ARJ and Mehdi Taremi have posted his photos on Instagaram.

Go Mahini!

[fary-jupiter]

Time for our TM players to announce retirement too.

Show some balls ffs, we are on verge of history.

There is nothing “Melli” about the team with crab symbol on their chests.

we need our team at the WC to do a symbolic act in front of millions of viewers

[elnino99]

Time for our TM players to announce retirement too.

Show some balls ffs, we are on verge of history.

There is nothing “Melli” about the team with crab symbol on their chests.

[IRN]

We have not learned that a healthy society and democracy is built on the pillars of respect for each other, diversity, and inclusion. Creating lists and singling out people is no different than fascism and apartheid. Iran for all Iranians even those who we do not agree with.

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Respect? Why should we respect anyone associated with this murderous and brutal regime? Any single person who is a member or supports this regime doesn’t deserve the slightest form of respect. Enough with this. For 43 years we ,,respected“ and tolerated them. For over 40 years we had hopes and patience that this regime will ,,reform“. For over 40 years we thought that elections in this system can change something but every time we were disappointed. Enough with this ,,respect them“ or ,,talk nice“ to them. They deserve the worst and to hell with any worthless regime supporter. This regime must go. I have to admit that I was one of the persons who was fooled that reforms are possible and I still feel like an idiot when I think about it. Any person, doesn’t matter if Torabi or a Basiji himself deserves nothing more than disrespect and the same treatment they give to our fellow countrymen who have enough of these monsters. No more of this. No more of tolerating these miserable motherless f*cks who don’t give a shit about us! Marg bar Jomhurye Eslami and the supporters who encourage their crimes against humanity!

[taremiscores]

[taremiscores]

[nisfejahan]

The Germans moved on from the Nazis and outlawed them. That's exactly what Iran should do post-IR. Make it criminal to be an Islamic Republic sympathizer/advocate. They are the most destructive internal force in Iranian history.

Kindness with IR is weakness and lack of courage. Nothing else.

Or may be, Nelson Mandela and what happened after the fall of apartheid should be the model to emulate, when after spending 27 years in a prison, he invited his own jailer to his inauguration, and kept De Klerk (the President under the apartheid system) as the deputy president.

It all depends on what the goal is. If the goal is revenge, yeh by all means, go for it. But if the goal is the construction of a system that endures beyond the next revolution, then may be, just may be, we should widen our outlook.

[Futbaldoost]

It's amazing when it comes to IR - some people have so much leeway yet they slander and focus on other parties and personnel who have done much less. You don't compromise with serial criminals. It's one thing to differ on how much people should be taxed, on whether you agree with abortion or not, how much money should be allocated to the army etc. but there is no compromise on plunderers and terrorists.
The Germans moved on from the Nazis and outlawed them. That's exactly what Iran should do post-IR. Make it criminal to be an Islamic Republic sympathizer/advocate. They are the most destructive internal force in Iranian history.
Kindness with IR is weakness and lack of courage. Nothing else.

Taremiscores jaan, if we do the same thing with the supporters of IR that they did with supporters of the Shah, and what Shah's SAVAK and army did to the people who rose up against him, then we will turn into another dictatorial and repressive entity. All criminals of IR should be tried in a truth and reconciliation tribunal with the due process, that's the only way to build a democratic Iran of the future.

One of the verses of a Rumi's poem says: "Gar to ba bad bad konee pas fargh cheest" meaning "If you do bad things to bad people what is the difference between you and them". I am against capital punishment and I want the murderous leaders of IR tried in a people's tribunal with their right to legal defense honored and then when convicted, I want them sentenced to life in prison with hard labor.

Mehdi Torabi is a football player and as far as I know other than expressing support for IR, he has not committed any acts against innocent people. I honor his right to express himself peacefully and recognize the rights of all Iranians to do so. Any other way will lead to another repressive regime.

[taremiscores]

[taremiscores]

There are Nazi groups but they are outlawed and it's illegal. The same thing should happen in Iran.

Anyway, we have to get there. But one can dream.