Do you expect TM players to do something in the honour of Mahsa Amini on Friday's gam

[O-ZoNe]

It's amazing when it comes to IR - some people have so much leeway yet they slander and focus on other parties and personnel who have done much less. You don't compromise with serial criminals. It's one thing to differ on how much people should be taxed, on whether you agree with abortion or not, how much money should be allocated to the army etc. but there is no compromise on plunderers and terrorists.

The Germans moved on from the Nazis and outlawed them. That's exactly what Iran should do post-IR. Make it criminal to be an Islamic Republic sympathizer/advocate. They are the most destructive internal force in Iranian history.

Kindness with IR is weakness and lack of courage. Nothing else.

Well IR is not a belief system. But to say we can't have pan-islamists or islamists in Iran is ridiculous. It's gonna happen. IR itself is a different story.

And btw there are still Nazi groups and sympathizers in Germany and elsewhere. Eradication doesn't work and rule of law and justice must prevail when holding people accountable not vigilantiasm and apartheid!

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[taremiscores]

We have not learned that a healthy society and democracy is built on the pillars of respect for each other, diversity, and inclusion. Creating lists and singling out people is no different than fascism and apartheid. Iran for all Iranians even those who we do not agree with.

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It's amazing when it comes to IR - some people have so much leeway yet they slander and focus on other parties and personnel who have done much less. You don't compromise with serial criminals. It's one thing to differ on how much people should be taxed, on whether you agree with abortion or not, how much money should be allocated to the army etc. but there is no compromise on plunderers and terrorists.

The Germans moved on from the Nazis and outlawed them. That's exactly what Iran should do post-IR. Make it criminal to be an Islamic Republic sympathizer/advocate. They are the most destructive internal force in Iranian history.

Kindness with IR is weakness and lack of courage. Nothing else.

[Artaxerxes]

That applies to issues that come down to a simple difference of opinion, like tax rates and tariffs. Not whether or not it's ok to kill a young woman for not covering enough hair or raping political prisoners.

There are few things as clear cut as this regime's record on human rights. The people who continue to back this regime after watching it run down protesters with police cars aren't going to change their minds if we "talk nicely". These people lack a conscience. What we have with them is not a difference of opinion, it's war. And in war we either fight or just surrender and stop wasting our time.

No sane society would treat the likes of Amiri and Torabi with respect. Without social shaming people like this have no reason to ever stop. Losing face is the bare minimum consequence for their treason.

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[IranFTW]

This. Convincing people with vicious language has never happened once on the face of the earth. In fact it'll make them even more hardline pro regime which is not what we want

That applies to issues that come down to a simple difference of opinion, like tax rates and tariffs. Not whether or not it's ok to kill a young woman for not covering enough hair or raping political prisoners.

There are few things as clear cut as this regime's record on human rights. The people who continue to back this regime after watching it run down protesters with police cars aren't going to change their minds if we "talk nicely". These people lack a conscience. What we have with them is not a difference of opinion, it's war. And in war we either fight or just surrender and stop wasting our time.

No sane society would treat the likes of Amiri and Torabi with respect. Without social shaming people like this have no reason to ever stop. Losing face is the bare minimum consequence for their treason.

[Artaxerxes]

We have not learned that a healthy society and democracy is built on the pillars of respect for each other, diversity, and inclusion. Creating lists and singling out people is no different than fascism and apartheid. Iran for all Iranians even those who we do not agree with.
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I agree, but it is a difference between people whit different opinions in a democracy and people that supports repression, murder and theft, this is what I.R stands for.
If you support I.R you support exactly this and "Let this land burn as long as islam prevails "
So f*uck meymoon Torabi and Amiri

[O-ZoNe]

We have not learned that a healthy society and democracy is built on the pillars of respect for each other, diversity, and inclusion. Creating lists and singling out people is no different than fascism and apartheid. Iran for all Iranians even those who we do not agree with.

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[Hosseini]

This. Convincing people with vicious language has never happened once on the face of the earth. In fact it'll make them even more hardline pro regime which is not what we want

Oh my god, so many crazies over here. Some of the hot and heavy "revolutionaries" over here are using the exact same language and have the exact same attitudes that the IR revolutionaries did post their revolution. Stop wanting revenge. Make a good government and society and hope that you win the IR sympathizers over one by one. Even if only 20% of Iran are IR sympathizers, you can't get rid of 16 million people. Amiri was considered the most polite and disciplined TM member until a few months ago, and all of a sudden he is on the list of the firing squad. Even Torabi, he is an Iranian and has as much right as you and me. He did not cause any fuss in TM camps and contributed whenever he was asked to do so. So he is a little religious and bought into the propaganda that he was fed since he was born. Lets show him a different society and see if he can continue to be a contributing member. Stop the hate!!!!

[taremiscores]

Under no circumstances should anyone support Mehdi Torabi. Iranians are being slaughtered in the streets, arbitrarily arrested and God knows what else (rape, traumatized for life etc.), and this basiji cannot even put a symbolic black background as his IG (like the rest of his teammates)?

Why would an Iranian support such a Shia ISIS sympathizer? Cause he can kick a football? To hell with Mehdi Torabi. This buffon will never "come on our side" - if you don't come now, when will you come?

It's one thing to not have any courage, but he had the courage to hero-worship Khamenei on live TV.

[bozghaleh]

As Shahin Najafi says, the time for vasat-bazi is over, and accusing those of living outside Iran as not having a say in what's going on is promoted by the IR as a way to bring disunity (divide and conquer).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqBkRr7Lr98&t=18s

[IranFTW]

So much non-sense in your post (it's unreal). It's clearly an emotional post from you that comes from a good place, but non-sense nonetheless. Like I said before, it's easy for keyboard warriors who have no risk to themselves to tell others to take risks in a vacuum. You can praise those that have looked past risk to themselves and their families to speak out as heroes (and rightfully so); but if others who live there and have weighed the risks to themselves and their families and have decided to not be that brave, it does not make them pro-regime or cowards.
You are sitting here behind a keyboard with brave words; Mahini was just arrested; are you going to go pick up a stick, fly to Tehran, go to the prison, and beat up the guards to rescue him? If no, then don't just post BS black and white righteous statements like this that make you look good and shame others. I understand anger at people like Torabi and Amiri who have made pro-active statements that are pro-regime, but don't drag in players who are silent as "turning a blind eye" as you are not the one taking the risk behind your keyboard.

Did I condemn anyone other than Torabi and Amiri, genius?… No?… I literally didn’t name anyone other than them? So it seems one of us was “emotional” here and it definitely wasn’t me? Cool.

By “turning a blind eye” I mean someone like Amiri who goes out of his way to make a post just to act like there is no moral difference between the murder of Mahsa and protesters chanting her name and having to defend themselves against paid cockroaches armed to the teeth.

Many players have always stayed out of the fray when it comes to politics because they know the personal costs are too high. That I can understand. But Torabi went out of his way to kiss up to Khamenei and Amiri made a complete a$$ out of himself this week.

People like this must be called out. There MUST be a social cost for sycophants who ingratiate themselves with the regime. They must know the people are disgusted with them. It’s that simple. You either get it or you don't.

[Farzadfarhangni]

So much nonsense since my last post in this thread.
First of all, no one's putting these idiots "in front of the firing squad" so calm down with that. It's our plain and simple duty to call out traitors who are indifferent to this regime's crimes. Amiri pretending this is some 50/50 issue was honestly even more disgusting to me than Torabi openly supporting Khamenei.

What do you suggest we do with "Traitors" that you are calling out? Amiri pointing out that demonstrators should not be burning Koran is something I agree with. The whole point of this latest movement is that we are not against Islam but against this regime. Burning Koran makes it feel that we are against Islam. Pointing that out by Amiri does not mean that he supports the guy that broke the skull of our hamvatan. He is obviously a religious man. I am not. Even if he is misguided or brainwashed to be supportive of IR regime (which I don't know know if he is or not), that is not being a traitor. What is his crime that you are calling him a traitor. Judge and jury in a few key strokes.

The idea that this regime gives a damn about fairness and civility as long as "we set a good example" is so naive it's laughable. People who can be swayed by kindness don't crush a young woman's skull when she hasn't even committed a crime! There is no neutrality possible here. Being neutral against evil is just a different form of evil. From raping political prisoners to serial killing of intellectuals to running protesters over with police cars, this regime has committed every crime a government can commit against the citizens it's supposed to serve! The idea that that these people have a conscience to appeal to is an embarrassing joke.

I was talking about the next regime replacing this regime.

The ones with a problem are those who see no difference between patriots like Mahini, Karimi, and Azmoun vs pathetic cowards like Amiri and Torabi. If you think Amiri's repulsive post is ok just because he's "a gentleman in camps", you're the one who needs to reevaluate his worldview, not the rest of us.
We see the difference. That is our whole point. Everyone is different. You are saying that everyone should be exactly like Karimi or they are a traitor.
Shaming those who support evil is just as important and necessary as fighting evil itself.


That was the mentality of the guy that broke Mahsa's skull.

Read that again.
If you don't get that, don't lecture the rest of us.

Ok. sounds good.

[P-Rug]

So much nonsense since my last post in this thread.
First of all, no one's putting these idiots "in front of the firing squad" so calm down with that. It's our plain and simple duty to call out traitors who are indifferent to this regime's crimes. Amiri pretending this is some 50/50 issue was honestly even more disgusting to me than Torabi openly supporting Khamenei.
The idea that this regime and its sycophants give a damn about fairness and civility as long as "we set a good example" is so naive it's laughable. People who can be swayed by kindness don't crush a young woman's skull when she hasn't even committed a crime! There is no neutrality possible here. Being neutral against evil is just a different form of evil. From raping political prisoners to serial killing of intellectuals to running protesters over with police cars, this regime has committed every crime a government can commit against the citizens it's supposed to serve! The idea that that these people have a conscience to appeal to is an embarrassing joke.
The ones with a problem are those who see no difference between patriots like Mahini, Karimi, and Azmoun vs pathetic cowards like Amiri and Torabi. If you think Amiri's repulsive post is ok just because he's "a gentleman in camps", you're the one who needs to reevaluate his worldview, not the rest of us.
Shaming those who support or turn a blind eye to evil is just as important and necessary as fighting evil itself.

Read that again.
If you don't get that, don't lecture the rest of us.

So much non-sense in your post (it's unreal). It's clearly an emotional post from you that comes from a good place, but non-sense nonetheless. Like I said before, it's easy for keyboard warriors who have no risk to themselves to tell others to take risks in a vacuum. You can praise those that have looked past risk to themselves and their families to speak out as heroes (and rightfully so); but if others who live there and have weighed the risks to themselves and their families and have decided to not be that brave, it does not make them pro-regime or cowards.

You are sitting here behind a keyboard with brave words; Mahini was just arrested; are you going to go pick up a stick, fly to Tehran, go to the prison, and beat up the guards to rescue him? If no, then don't just post BS black and white righteous statements like this that make you look good and shame others. I understand anger at people like Torabi and Amiri who have made pro-active statements that are pro-regime, but don't drag in players who are silent as "turning a blind eye" as you are not the one taking the risk behind your keyboard.

[IranFTW]

So much nonsense since my last post in this thread.

First of all, no one's putting these idiots "in front of the firing squad" so calm down with that. It's our plain and simple duty to call out traitors who are indifferent to this regime's crimes. Amiri pretending this is some 50/50 issue was honestly even more disgusting to me than Torabi openly supporting Khamenei.

The idea that this regime and its sycophants give a damn about fairness and civility as long as "we set a good example" is so naive it's laughable. People who can be swayed by kindness don't crush a young woman's skull when she hasn't even committed a crime! There is no neutrality possible here. Being neutral against evil is just a different form of evil. From raping political prisoners to serial killing of intellectuals to running protesters over with police cars, this regime has committed practically every crime a government can commit against citizens! The idea that these people and their sympathizers have a conscience to appeal to is an embarrassing joke.

The ones with a problem are those who see no difference between patriots like Mahini, Karimi, and Azmoun vs pathetic cowards like Amiri and Torabi. If you think Amiri's repulsive post is ok just because he's "a gentleman in camps", you're the one who needs to reevaluate his worldview, not the rest of us.

Shaming those who support or turn a blind eye to evil is just as important and necessary as fighting evil itself.


Read that again.

If you don't get that, don't lecture the rest of us.

[inarsenewetrust]

These are nice words, but they were only successful because they were dealing with regimes that were susceptible to public opinion/international pressure. The IR would throw Ghandi in kahrizak and snuff him out. People are understandably upset at Amiri/Torabi because they are cheering on the thugs shooting at our youth.

Could you find where either have cheered on shooting of our youth specifically. Torabi I think we all agree is an idiot but what can we do, beat his political ideas and propaganda out of him? That seems ineffective and a sure way to push him further into his misguided belief system

There are a million more useful and supportive things we should be focusing our energy on to help Iranians inside iran than these witch hunts and pasrafte way of thinking (revenge in blood, even if we get ahold of some wrong people in the process!) that actually is ironically similar to what IR did when they took power.

I do not think future of Iran needs to stoop to that low level of humanity and lack of regard for the rule of law. Anybody who has committed crimes should eventually be arrested, tried, and if found guilty by a court of their peers face the appropriate justice. Amiri and torabi are two footballers, they are not on the street beating or harassing anybody. Their are much bigger fish to fry than ensuring everybody in TM has the exact same mindset (impossible as they are all individuals with their own ideas and beliefs, whether we agree with them all or not)

[bozghaleh]

I know everyone is emotional right now. Lets just try to bring out the Ghandi/Mandela that is within each of us.

These are nice words, but they were only successful because they were dealing with regimes that were susceptible to public opinion/international pressure. The IR would throw Ghandi in kahrizak and snuff him out. People are understandably upset at Amiri/Torabi because they are cheering on the thugs shooting at our youth.