Team Melli should be banned

[Artaxerxes]

a lot of the families of the members here were against the shah in the 70s. That’s why they all live with guilt and self hatred. They know our country is in its current state due to their actions so they deflect their hatred onto others.

Wow, i did not know that you are tight with peoples families here, or are you a medium?

Jamesh kon.

[Artaxerxes]

Actually, I have been on this forum longer than you and longer than my join date says as well.

Aside from your sarcastic and nasty language, you didn't say much and you didn't answer the question I had to Messy: why are you spending your time shouting down everyone else who is interested in the team or discussing attending a game this summer -- what does that do for you? It certainly has no impact on world affairs.

For example: I hated the Jared Borgetti Mexican NT of the early 2000s. I didn't go on their message boards 24/7 to tell Mexican fans I hated their team. What is it that compels you to keep reminding those here to actually discuss Iranian football how much you hate the Iranian National Team? Why don't you join a current events message board or organization?

This isn't a political question that involves responses involving words or phrases like "ey emam", "apes", "ass lickers", "executed", "irgc firth team" or "damn" that in most places would get flagged for being distasteful and disrespectful. I'm asking about your motivation.

First, i have been on this forum since 2005.

Second: Wow you scored a own goal again, YOU liked this comment down here from that idiot Iranpuma the other day when that donkey i was not even discussing with came with PERSONAL insults against me:

"You might be the most miserable dumbass on these forums, holy shit LOL. Every post with you is like an autistic child throwing a tantrum, take your miserable ass elsewhere bro. Talking about I don't support this football team, cool, then fuck off and let everyone else enjoy discussing the team and the world cup."

Again, YOU liked this post where you think its fine to come with personal insults and now you are going to lecture me about "distasteful and disrespectful"

Masti? Giji? Or are you just a top notch hypocrite?

This was the last response i gave you.

[Sam van Dam]

Wow, i did not know that you are tight with peoples families here, or are you a medium?

Jamesh kon.

Ask your baba where he was in 78 and what his views were. You’d be in for a surprise. Every pro war, anti TM Iranian I’ve spoken to has confessed this to me.

you all sold out our king because ayatollah promised you free water and electricity, once that didn’t happen you fled the country. Left your property. You want our country to get bombed to Stone Age so your “amoo trump” can take the oil, just because you think you’ll get your old house back. Yet the Iranians in Iran facing bullets and bombs will still live in poverty. They will still be hungry while you will live a luxurious life off of the blood of our innocent people. That’s why you won’t go to Iran now because you are a coward. You don’t love our country. That’s why everything is TM fault. You need a scapegoat because you are scared to look yourself in the mirror. That scapegoat is TM.

[ABalls]

Ask your baba where he was in 78 and what his views were. You’d be in for a surprise. Every pro war, anti TM Iranian I’ve spoken to has confessed this to me.

you all sold out our king because ayatollah promised you free water and electricity, once that didn’t happen you fled the country. Left your property. You want our country to get bombed to Stone Age so your “amoo trump” can take the oil, just because you think you’ll get your old house back. Yet the Iranians in Iran facing bullets and bombs will still live in poverty. They will still be hungry while you will live a luxurious life off of the blood of our innocent people. That’s why you won’t go to Iran now because you are a coward. You don’t love our country. That’s why everything is TM fault. You need a scapegoat because you are scared to look yourself in the mirror. That scapegoat is TM.

Unfortunately, I have to agree that this seems to usually be the case. Those who are pro-war are less interested in liberating the people living in Iran, who they oddly enough they often vilify for being victims of their own circumstance (ie: Team Melli), than they are recovering their own personal losses.

I was hoping some of the posters here would provide another explanation for motivation, but there doesn't seem to be one. And this is the predicament of the Iranian people: their current government and the most vocal opposition to the government both offer a selfish view of the future and, perhaps most importantly, attempt to silence criticism.

[Artaxerxes]

Ask your baba where he was in 78 and what his views were. You’d be in for a surprise. Every pro war, anti TM Iranian I’ve spoken to has confessed this to me.

you all sold out our king because ayatollah promised you free water and electricity, once that didn’t happen you fled the country. Left your property. You want our country to get bombed to Stone Age so your “amoo trump” can take the oil, just because you think you’ll get your old house back. Yet the Iranians in Iran facing bullets and bombs will still live in poverty. They will still be hungry while you will live a luxurious life off of the blood of our innocent people. That’s why you won’t go to Iran now because you are a coward. You don’t love our country. That’s why everything is TM fault. You need a scapegoat because you are scared to look yourself in the mirror. That scapegoat is TM.

Coward esmete.

Listen man, i say this once ,take it very easy with your words, i have not discussed your family and i wont tolerate that you bring up mine to the discussion, take it very easy now because you dont know shit, zere ziadi nazan.

You talk so much shit.

Javid shah 💚🤍❤️.

Go and cheer for your bache basij players now in the WC

[Sam van Dam]

Coward esmete.

Listen man, i say this once ,take it very easy with your words, i have not discussed your family and i wont tolerate that you bring up mine to the discussion, take it very easy now because you dont know shit, zere ziadi nazan.

You talk so much shit.

Javid shah 💚🤍❤️.

Go and cheer for your bache basij players now in the WC

All these players you speak ill about have families as well. Yet you call them all the bad names. I never said anything bad about your family. Ive been very civil and diplomatic here and in the general forums while most of you have attacked me. Watch your words.

every single Iranian was against our shah in 78. If he had support from the people he would have never left.

everyone here that was young or wasn’t alive can ask their parents and they will confirm my statement. That is the cold truth that you are afraid of.

[PEJ]

Ok ABalls and Van Damn. Let’s put the TM aside for a moment. The conflict here has really come down to people who are pro war against IRGC and the anti war people.

I have asked this question in these forums a a few times and haven’t really gotten an answer from the anti war people. For 47 years we have been subjected to cruelty and inhumanity by the mullahs. The people have tried over the years to rise up, but all it has left is more dead bodies on innocent Iranians. We have tried that method and it hasn’t worked.

Trump and Bibi literally wiped out the entire upper structure of the regime in one day.

What is your solution for a free Iran that all of us want?

[Doctor DOOM]

Has this sh1thead Basiji Mehdi Torabi given the US visa?

[Sam van Dam]

Ok ABalls and Van Damn. Let’s put the TM aside for a moment. The conflict here has really come down to people who are pro war against IRGC and the anti war people.

I have asked this question in these forums a a few times and haven’t really gotten an answer from the anti war people. For 47 years we have been subjected to cruelty and inhumanity by the mullahs. The people have tried over the years to rise up, but all it has left is more dead bodies on innocent Iranians. We have tried that method and it hasn’t worked.

Trump and Bibi literally wiped out the entire upper structure of the regime in one day.

What is your solution for a free Iran that all of us want?

Most of the members here like being miserable that’s why they keep instigating. You don’t like TM then why are they causing issues on a forum dedicated to TM.

As for the solution. Reza Pahlavi has stated numerous times he has an army inside Iran of over 50k. A number that grows each day. They have all defected from the army and are on the side of the people. He also had over 50k government officials in the bureaucracy that have defected as well. If this is a true statement and IR is really on life support then this army needs to start firing. All the diaspora needs to go back to Iran and help our brothers and sisters. That’s the only way to do it. The more we allow foreigners to drop bombs on our land in the end they aren’t doing this for free and will most likely try to take some land, our oil, island, control our waters, something like that.

this is up to us. We have arms in Iran and numbers in the outside that should go back and get our country back.

[PEJ]

Most of the members here like being miserable that’s why they keep instigating. You don’t like TM then why are they causing issues on a forum dedicated to TM.

As for the solution. Reza Pahlavi has stated numerous times he has an army inside Iran of over 50k. A number that grows each day. They have all defected from the army and are on the side of the people. He also had over 50k government officials in the bureaucracy that have defected as well. If this is a true statement and IR is really on life support then this army needs to start firing. All the diaspora needs to go back to Iran and help our brothers and sisters. That’s the only way to do it. The more we allow foreigners to drop bombs on our land in the end they aren’t doing this for free and will most likely try to take some land, our oil, island, control our waters, something like that.

this is up to us. We have arms in Iran and numbers in the outside that should go back and get our country back.

So your solution is a civil war as opposed to targeted strikes against leaders of the regime?

I would prefer continued targeted strikes against the people running the regime. I do believe that there are people within the establishment that are more pragmatic and want a change, but they still don’t feel secure enough to come out. The other issue for those people is that do they fully trust that there will be no repercussions for their past actions after the regime changes.

Freedom is never free. It comes at a price. Whether you like it or not, the future of Iran is going to come with a heavy influence from the west.

[Sam van Dam]

So your solution is a civil war as opposed to targeted strikes against leaders of the regime?

Freedom is never free. It comes at a price. Whether you like it or not, the future of Iran is going to come with a heavy influence from the west.

Tell me your solution

[Messy]

And ruining this message board for soccer fans is how you help those dead protesters? Yes, very Malcolm X.

Its not totally clear why you, Artaxerex, and Messy are here. You hate the team and there is no check on what you're going to say here, okay. But why are you spending your time shouting down everyone else who is interested in the team or discussing attending a game this summer? I'm genuinely asking and am genuinely curious, what does that do?

1. I'm Messy... not You

2. I am helping the dead protestors waaaaay more than you are by actually talking about it, because your left wing friends for sure arent.

3. Having said that.... the people here that are trying to separate the team from the regime after the 45000 protestors were murdered 5 months ago are either not iranian enough to understand what iranian pride is or they are pro regime and anti war

[ABalls]

So your solution is a civil war as opposed to targeted strikes against leaders of the regime?

Freedom is never free. It comes at a price. Whether you like it or not, the future of Iran is going to come with a heavy influence from the west.

Putting aside TM as you said, and speaking to the future of Iran, it is not enough to be free. To be free and prosperous has been the goal of protests in recent years. The efforts to reform the government fall into three buckets:

Organically:
The people internally in Iran have been unsuccessful in overthrowing the government, although with increasing regularity nationwide protests have occurred (2009, 2017–18, 2019, 2022, 2025–26).

Diplomatically:
The JCPOA (2015–2018) period briefly reduced economic pressure and moderated nuclear activity while temporarily calming parts of society, but it did not fundamentally reform the Islamic Republic’s domestic repression or regional behavior.

Kinetically:
Foreign intervention from two nuclear-armed powers in the past year also failed to overthrow the regime and, in fact, may have strengthened it.

Taking a look at the efforts to date, the most successful effort to reform the regime has come through diplomacy. There are successful examples of this throughout modern history too: the Soviet Union under Gorbachev, South Africa during late apartheid, and the Arab world even. Authoritarian regimes have collapsed or liberalized under exposure and engagement with the outside world.

If I were to propose a way forward, it involves a quick road to full normalization of relations between the US and Iran, and increasingly using cultural influence and capital to change Iran’s behavior as well as the establishment of embassies in each other’s countries. As everyone well knows, the regime is motivated by money.

Changing the culture of the Iranian government won’t be an oversight task, but a kinetic effort will take longer and will likely see worse results, including potentially fragmentation. Look at Iraq. Still today this supposedly free country has no control over a third of its land, and 95% of their total revenues from the sale of oil and gas are kept at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. These revenues account for 90% of Iraq’s revenue. To utilize these funds, the Central Bank of Iraq must request wire transfers or physical cash shipments from the New York Fed.

I’m not sure an organic reform of the government is possible anymore, particularly not after this disastrous war. If the US were to ever intervene in Iran, it should have been long ago and better planned than what Trump and Bibi carried out (a complete mess).

As for Pahlavi, and I say this as someone once caught in the allure of the restoration, the man is a complete joke. He appears to be utterly incompetent, has never held a job, and is politically deaf. He has no allies outside of authoritarian regimes and even then, Trump has called him a “loser prince.” Historically, “governments-in-waiting” were developed to take control of countries such as France, Poland, Afghanistan, even Khomeini in Iran. What has Pahlavi developed besides an angry mob? Has he developed community institutions, charities, or anything to help Iranians whether they be in Iran, refugees, or just members of the diaspora? Does he actually have the loyalists in Iran he claims, and if so, where have they been during these wars? The man’s entire existence is a Ponzi scheme to keep him and his family comfortably financially supported in exile, and I’m afraid his supporters have been played.

The next leader of Iran need not be a king (Karim Khan wasn’t. After the Arabs invaded, we had Ispahbadhs and Emirs in independent states too. Mosaddegh was a prime minister), but a person well-versed in running large organizations and inspiring people.

[webmaster]

Ok ABalls and Van Damn. Let’s put the TM aside for a moment. The conflict here has really come down to people who are pro war against IRGC and the anti war people.

I have asked this question in these forums a a few times and haven’t really gotten an answer from the anti war people. For 47 years we have been subjected to cruelty and inhumanity by the mullahs. The people have tried over the years to rise up, but all it has left is more dead bodies on innocent Iranians. We have tried that method and it hasn’t worked.

Trump and Bibi literally wiped out the entire upper structure of the regime in one day.

What is your solution for a free Iran that all of us want?

Pej, please try to ignore them. They have no heart for all the killed people because they love Balls more and want to watch them to be played on the pitch and not their own people. They have already sold their souls to the IR so arguing is no use.

Let them think they are right and we can see that nobody even likes what they have to say, so by answering them, you give them credit and they think they have something to say. To me these people's families should have been dead and not the 40,000 real Iranians, perhaps they would get it then. I want them to know that their stay in PFDC will not take long. I do the war better and show them what it takes to not respect the blood of our people. It is very obvious where and with who they stand.

[PEJ]

Putting aside TM as you said, and speaking to the future of Iran, it is not enough to be free. To be free and prosperous has been the goal of protests in recent years. The efforts to reform the government fall into three buckets:

Organically:
The people internally in Iran have been unsuccessful in overthrowing the government, although with increasing regularity nationwide protests have occurred (2009, 2017–18, 2019, 2022, 2025–26).

Diplomatically:
The JCPOA (2015–2018) period briefly reduced economic pressure and moderated nuclear activity while temporarily calming parts of society, but it did not fundamentally reform the Islamic Republic’s domestic repression or regional behavior.

Kinetically:
Foreign intervention from two nuclear-armed powers in the past year also failed to overthrow the regime and, in fact, may have strengthened it.

Taking a look at the efforts to date, the most successful effort to reform the regime has come through diplomacy. There are successful examples of this throughout modern history too: the Soviet Union under Gorbachev, South Africa during late apartheid, and the Arab world even. Authoritarian regimes have collapsed or liberalized under exposure and engagement with the outside world.

If I were to propose a way forward, it involves a quick road to full normalization of relations between the US and Iran, and increasingly using cultural influence and capital to change Iran’s behavior as well as the establishment of embassies in each other’s countries. As everyone well knows, the regime is motivated by money.

Changing the culture of the Iranian government won’t be an oversight task, but a kinetic effort will take longer and will likely see worse results, including potentially fragmentation. Look at Iraq. Still today this supposedly free country has no control over a third of its land, and 95% of their total revenues from the sale of oil and gas are kept at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. These revenues account for 90% of Iraq’s revenue. To utilize these funds, the Central Bank of Iraq must request wire transfers or physical cash shipments from the New York Fed.

I’m not sure an organic reform of the government is possible anymore, particularly not after this disastrous war. If the US were to ever intervene in Iran, it should have been long ago and better planned than what Trump and Bibi carried out (a complete mess).

As for Pahlavi, and I say this as someone once caught in the allure of the restoration, the man is a complete joke. He appears to be utterly incompetent, has never held a job, and is politically deaf. He has no allies outside of authoritarian regimes and even then, Trump has called him a “loser prince.” Historically, “governments-in-waiting” were developed to take control of countries such as France, Poland, Afghanistan, even Khomeini in Iran. What has Pahlavi developed besides an angry mob? Has he developed community institutions, charities, or anything to help Iranians whether they be in Iran, refugees, or just members of the diaspora? Does he actually have the loyalists in Iran he claims, and if so, where have they been during these wars? The man’s entire existence is a Ponzi scheme to keep him and his family comfortably financially supported in exile, and I’m afraid his supporters have been played.

The next leader of Iran need not be a king (Karim Khan wasn’t. After the Arabs invaded, we had Ispahbadhs and Emirs in independent states too. Mosaddegh was a prime minister), but a person well-versed in running large organizations and inspiring people.

You wrote a lot of stuff that you could have summed up in a few sentences. So at this point you want US to open the door and normalize relations with a regime that is still to this day unjustly executing their youth as we speak?

Here is where it lies the problem. Your solution to the problem is let’s wait and see what happens, and a lot of us on the other side are fed up and can’t take it anymore.