Euro 2016 Qualifiers

[KeonKish]

Re: Euro 2016 Qualifiers

If Dynamo is respectable, then Partizan Beograd and Red Star Belgrade are iconic teams in that region. Red Star even won the Uefa champions league!

I'm talking about recent years..

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[O-ZoNe]

I was talking about current. But yes, in that context of time sure. Croatia is also the only one that has a respectable league usually making it to champions League with dynamo Zagreb

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If Dynamo is respectable, then Partizan Beograd and Red Star Belgrade are iconic teams in that region. Red Star even won the Uefa champions league!

[rugs]

But it's relevant when Albania was a nation? LOL

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For real...

Bi-Honar must have a pretty good looking Serbian girlfriend

[rugs]

You're killing me dude. It's irrelevant when Serbia became a country and whether or not they have a claim over Kosovo. And it's also irrelevant whether the flag is the ethno-nationalistic equivalent of IS's religious expansionist policies or not, or the situation has any similarities to Iran or not.

The only relevance any of that has to this situation and discussion is that the flag was making a political statement and a sporting arena is NOT a place to make a political statement. And that's not just my opinion, it's that of FIFA. You don't like it, stop wasting time on me and send a letter to FIFA!

Baba jan I never disagreed with that! Lol....

I do however find it hilarious that the Albanians did that only because these are retaliations for what Serbs have been doing for a long time at sporting events

They essentially destroyed them at their own game and made them look stupid while doing so. You gotta admit, flying a drone with a flag is genius!

But yes, I agree with you that sporting arenas are not a place for political statements. That said, if Iranians ever did the same thing with a Persian Gulf flag say in Manama or Doha, I would find it just as funny

[KeonKish]

Re: Euro 2016 Qualifiers

You're killing me dude. It's irrelevant when Serbia became a country and whether or not they have a claim over Kosovo. And it's also irrelevant whether the flag is the ethno-nationalistic equivalent of IS's religious expansionist policies or not, or the situation has any similarities to Iran or not.

The only relevance any of that has to this situation and discussion is that the flag was making a political statement and a sporting arena is NOT a place to make a political statement. And that's not just my opinion, it's that of FIFA. You don't like it, stop wasting time on me and send a letter to FIFA!

But it's relevant when Albania was a nation? LOL

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[Bi-honar]

You're the one defending your point. I'm just pointing out its flaws. I mean you're the one trying to convince us that the flag the Albanians raised is somehow similar to ISIS?! You're using an example of Iran that makes no sense! You're saying that Albania is a recent country using anachronistic terms to define a nation. I mean c'mon man, how you have reached these conclusions is beyond me? Is anyone else saying these things that you can link us to?

Ok, lets try it this way:

When did Serbia become a country in your view?

What claim do they have over Kosovo which is +90% Albanian?

You're killing me dude. It's irrelevant when Serbia became a country and whether or not they have a claim over Kosovo. And it's also irrelevant whether the flag is the ethno-nationalistic equivalent of IS's religious expansionist policies or not, or the situation has any similarities to Iran or not.

The only relevance any of that has to this situation and discussion is that the flag was making a political statement and a sporting arena is NOT a place to make a political statement. And that's not just my opinion, it's that of FIFA. You don't like it, stop wasting time on me and send a letter to FIFA!

[KeonKish]

Re: Euro 2016 Qualifiers

If you took the top 11 players from the former Yugoslavia all time...they would all be Serbian.

Look at the names...Dejan Stanković, Sinisa Mihajlovic, Dragan Stojkovic,Predrag Mijatović...

I was talking about current. But yes, in that context of time sure. Croatia is also the only one that has a respectable league usually making it to champions League with dynamo Zagreb

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[KeonKish]

Re: Euro 2016 Qualifiers

You see, the only way in which is his example would make sense is if every ethnicity in iran had a country, which is not the case. Albanians have a right to their nation and Kosovo based on ethnicity, because that is how these ex Yugoslavian nations were cut up

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[O-ZoNe]

Croatia is much better than serbia. Although it seems Croats are more gifted in attack while serbs in defense. Now imagine a Yugoslavia team with today's players, that's a killer team.


Dzeko mandzukic
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If you took the top 11 players from the former Yugoslavia all time...they would all be Serbian.

Look at the names...Dejan Stanković, Sinisa Mihajlovic, Dragan Stojkovic,Predrag Mijatović...

[rugs]

Honestly dude, the lengths you're willing to go to make a point that doesn't exist is mind boggling. At least have the decency to put "..." at the end of that sentence instead of a period. This was the full sentence:
"Albania has been a country for a very short time and its borders never extended beyond its present day borders, even during the other two very short periods in history when it could be considered a country."
So, you not only choose to ignore the 2nd part of that sentence, but rearrange it and tell me I'm ignoring something?!
For those who are too lazy to Google or Wiki but like to follow the discussion, there "were two very short periods" from 1928 to 1944 (i.e. 16 years) and 1274 to 1294 (i.e. 22 years) when Albania "could be considered a country".
And before my good friend Rugs jumps in and says the 1st period lasted until 1368 (which is still a short time anyway), from 1294 to 1368 the "kingdom" was more or less reduced to an isolated city state rather than having enough territory to be considered a country (hence my original choice of words).

You're the one defending your point. I'm just pointing out its flaws. I mean you're the one trying to convince us that the flag the Albanians raised is somehow similar to ISIS?! You're using an example of Iran that makes no sense! You're saying that Albania is a recent country using anachronistic terms to define a nation. I mean c'mon man, how you have reached these conclusions is beyond me? Is anyone else saying these things that you can link us to?

Ok, lets try it this way:

When did Serbia become a country in your view?

What claim do they have over Kosovo which is +90% Albanian?

[Bi-honar]

Well, when you set the parameters of the debate at:

And ignoring it's historical kingdom, then one can use those same parameters and say Serbia has only been a country since 2006.

Honestly dude, the lengths you're willing to go to make a point that doesn't exist is mind boggling. At least have the decency to put "..." at the end of that sentence instead of a period. This was the full sentence:

"Albania has been a country for a very short time and its borders never extended beyond its present day borders, even during the other two very short periods in history when it could be considered a country."

So, you not only choose to ignore the 2nd part of that sentence, but rearrange it and tell me I'm ignoring something?!

For those who are too lazy to Google or Wiki but like to follow the discussion, there "were two very short periods" from 1928 to 1944 (i.e. 16 years) and 1274 to 1294 (i.e. 22 years) when Albania "could be considered a country".

And before my good friend Rugs jumps in and says the 1st period lasted until 1368 (which is still a short time anyway), from 1294 to 1368 the "kingdom" was more or less reduced to an isolated city state rather than having enough territory to be considered a country (hence my original choice of words).

[rugs]

Croatia is much better than serbia. Although it seems Croats are more gifted in attack while serbs in defense. Now imagine a Yugoslavia team with today's players, that's a killer team.


Dzeko mandzukic
Rakitic modric pjanic
Matic
Kolarov lovren srna Ivanovic

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Croatia is definitely the best former Yugoslav team. I love their confident style of play. They play very similar to Italy because they all have that bache poroo mentality with one brain on the team (Pirlo, Modric)

[rugs]

LOL. Whatever you say brother.




1 - To me it is and there are always two sides to an argument, whether you like it or not!

2 - There's nothing to understand. A sporting arena is not a place to make a political statement and that's not just my view it is the view of FIFA which has governing authority over these games.

3 - That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it.

Well, when you set the parameters of the debate at:

Albania has been a country for a very short time.

And ignoring it's historical kingdom, then one can use those same parameters and say Serbia has only been a country since 2006.

Regardless of how you or I may feel about the flag, the fact that Serbia isn't safe enough for opposing team players let alone their fans says enough. What's even worse is that it not only applies to Albania being the opposing team, but also Croatia and Bosnia.

[KeonKish]

Re: Euro 2016 Qualifiers

Long live Yugoslavia! Anyways, technically speaking, Serbian footballers are much more gifted than any of the former Yugoslav nations. These people have always been trying to antagonize the Serbs through sporting events because they have (sometimes rightfully) grievances on the political stage.

The Albanian flag incident reminded me of the Croatia flag incident during the 1990 bball championships

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxOoceI_cNc

Croatia is much better than serbia. Although it seems Croats are more gifted in attack while serbs in defense. Now imagine a Yugoslavia team with today's players, that's a killer team.


Dzeko mandzukic
Rakitic modric pjanic
Matic
Kolarov lovren srna Ivanovic

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[O-ZoNe]

Long live Yugoslavia! Anyways, technically speaking, Serbian footballers are much more gifted than any of the former Yugoslav nations. These people have always been trying to antagonize the Serbs through sporting events because they have (sometimes rightfully) grievances on the political stage.

The Albanian flag incident reminded me of the Croatia flag incident during the 1990 bball championships

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxOoceI_cNc