Do you expect TM players to do something in the honour of Mahsa Amini on Friday's gam

[diz]

"In all my years working around the world with great players, I have 𝘯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 seen players deliver so much with so little."
-Carlos Queiroz

[elnino99]

Gol gofti Babak Jaan....

Also, remember the team "Melli" representing IR.Iran now will sing this anthem at the world cup, before every match. The anthem that ends with:

پاینده مانی و جاودان ...جمهوری اسلامی ایران (be eternal and ever-present, ISLAMIC REPUBLIC of iran)

Payande mani va Javedan, JOMHOORIE ESLAMI - e - iran.

Nah...I'll pass.

[Babak agha]

Maybe the people who say TM should be boycotted or players shouldn't play for TM now or even not go to WC, don't mean that by doing so the government would be hurt.
Maybe they're thinking, how can you represent a government (when government decides who the coach is, who the selected players are, where you have your camp, which teams/countries you're not allowed to play against, and when government officials "escort" you the entire time, then you're working for and representing the government a bit too and not only the country) that's doing what they're doing to the people right now.
If people risk their life and go to the streets to protest, if some famous people risk all what they have but at very least voice their support of the people on social media (and get arrested for it or their properties confiscated), then our multi-millionaire players can also show dinner solidarity.
Heck, go and play the game, but why do you let three government dictate how you behave while you don't even live in Iran? Remember the support of players in the Asian cup for "jonbeshe sabz” (let me not voice my opinion shit that right now)?!?!? That's the difference between men and boys. That's the difference between risking a lot for a greater good/goal than what unfortunately most people suffer from: everyone wants freedom, equality, good ethics and morals but they don't want them to cost them anything. Heck most people don't want it to be an inconvenience of it means having to pay for it, missing a meal for it, missing your favorite tv show or sport club.
When ever you're not prepare to die when fighting someone who's prepared to kill you, you will always lose. So don't half-a££ it and don't be a hypocrite. Either admit that the price is too high for you and your not willing to pay/risk it or stop whining about it and try to rationalize/justify why it shouldn't cause you want inconvenience.

[O-ZoNe]

I’m the one “overreacting”, genius?

You can’t even read plain English you poor soul. I said multiple times, in detail, in language that a kid could understand, that there shouldn’t be a physical punishment for mere opinions but only a social discouragement as already exists in ANY sane culture.

In today’s world if you support Nazism you don’t get to be treated like a gentleman. The same should apply to Iranians who support these criminals and it already happens thankfully among ordinary Iranians…so unfortunately the concern trolls abroad who care about the treatment of these criminals way more than they care about their crimes (!) don’t even have a choice. Hopefully you’ll get over it guys!

Multiple posts explaining this simple concept and you STILL don’t get it. And I know for a fact that everything I wrote just now will go over your head too.



Oh you can say that again Einstein.

I used to think there were ulterior motives with the weird anti-CQ obsession, but now it’s clear the issue is… eh...something else! In real life you and I would never talk again after the first time, and now thanks to Essi for explaining the ignore list, the same rule applies here too. This is where you and I go our separate ways buddy. You’re gonna have to waste other people’s time now. Enjoy

You want to bring Mcarthyism to Iran.. all the power to you. This black-and-white approach is working for some all over the globe. But every extremist action will have a reaction. Shaming people is exactly what the protests are partly about. "My hair, my body, my freedom...stop shaming me". Now you feel shaming is the answer?

Lol you are clueless. Just another extremist. That being said, yes those who commit crimes must be held accountable. Holding peope accountable is one thing shaming another.

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[IranFTW]

Just to highlight what kind of person it takes to support this regime, and how ridiculous the "they don't know!" excuse is, this is the kind of disgusting scenes ordinary Iranians see on the streets. Weasels like Amiri and Torabi don't live under rocks and they see and hear all the things the protesters see.

Few people in the world are consistently brutalized by their government the way Iranians are. If some don't care, most Iranians do.

https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1573762455746101248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1573762455746101248%7Ctwgr%5Ee01fdacc1f92dc7cc6854646f6f3491f938c3034%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.firstpost.com%2Fworld%2Fwatch-anti-hijab-woman-activist-brutally-beaten-on-iran-streets-11328531.html

Another young girl killed by the regime and her body found 10 days later. In her last text to her family she said she was running from the thugs Amiri was crying about:

https://www.bbc.com/persian/articles/c3gwqw4xk5po

Regime supporters don't lack information, they lack a conscience. Find another excuse.

[IranFTW]

[QUOTE=O-ZoNe;2845018]

Stop over reacting! You take everything out of context. Of course murder, rape, etc are crimes. Believing in Islam whether you agree with it or not is not a crime. Just an FYI. Even if a person believes women are less than men...trust me many such individuals exist...still not a crime unless they act on it to the detriment of others.
To be quite frank many people in Iran from peasants to elite unfortunately have no clue what is going on and believe contrary views. Many believe the west is formenting unrest. Many of these folks don't want to believe their loved ones died for nothing defending IR and their homeland against Iraq. Stop being a keyboard warrior...some people are truly revealing themselves.

I’m the one “overreacting”, genius?

You can’t even read plain English you poor soul. I said multiple times, in detail, in language that a kid could understand, that there shouldn’t be a physical punishment for mere opinions but only a social discouragement as already exists in ANY sane culture.

In today’s world if you support Nazism you don’t get to be treated like a gentleman. The same should apply to Iranians who support these criminals and it already happens thankfully among ordinary Iranians…so unfortunately the concern trolls abroad who care about the treatment of these criminals way more than they care about their crimes (!) don’t even have a choice. Hopefully you’ll get over it guys!

Multiple posts explaining this simple concept and you STILL don’t get it. And I know for a fact that everything I wrote just now will go over your head too.

some people are truly revealing themselves.

Oh you can say that again Einstein.

I used to think there were ulterior motives with the weird anti-CQ obsession, but now it’s clear the issue is… eh...something else! In real life you and I would never talk again after the first time, and now thanks to Essi for explaining the ignore list, the same rule applies here too. This is where you and I go our separate ways buddy. You’re gonna have to waste other people’s time now. Enjoy

[taremiscores]

At times like this we must be extremely careful as
the water is muddied, and all the real enemies of Iran are now also
involved and want to direct it to what benefits them undermining
the integrity and sovereignty of Iran,
Iranian people and Iranian women.

Iran's integrity and sovereignty have already been compromised - because of the Islamic Republic. The people are trying to get it back. If there was integrity and sovereignty in Iran, there would be no need for these protests.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Some of you overestimate how much a TM message in support of protest would do.

You also have forgotten how little the gov cares about football and public pressure. No TM in World Cup ? That’s great for IR. Even less excuses now for people to be in the streets.

Grow up and focus your energy where it needs to be. As far as I’m concerned the vast majority of the accounts online asking for TM to resign or be expelled are “اکانت های نا امن” or just deluded people with no understanding of the real world.

At times like this we must be extremely careful as
the water is muddied, and all the real enemies of Iran are now also
involved and want to direct it to what benefits them undermining
the integrity and sovereignty of Iran,
Iranian people and Iranian women.

[taremiscores]

Some of you overestimate how much a TM message in support of protest would do.

You also have forgotten how little the gov cares about football and public pressure. No TM in World Cup ? That’s great for IR. Even less excuses now for people to be in the streets.

Grow up and focus your energy where it needs to be. As far as I’m concerned the vast majority of the accounts online asking for TM to resign or be expelled are “اکانت های نا امن” or just deluded people with no understanding of the real world.

Reality: It will make the news for a few days and die off. In contrast, playing for TM and being in the spotlight means that players like Shoja Khalilzadeh, Mehdi Taremi etc. can constantly voice support for the people and immunize themselves from government punishment.

It's a self-defeating proposition (calling for TM ban or boycott). We know Ali Karimi, Mehdi Mahdavikia, Hossein Mahini, Ali Daei etc. because of Team Melli. These are the same people who are standing with the people in the Iran Revolution. Without Team Melli, we would not know them.

[Nokhodi]

Some of you overestimate how much a TM message in support of protest would do.

You also have forgotten how little the gov cares about football and public pressure. No TM in World Cup ? That’s great for IR. Even less excuses now for people to be in the streets.

Grow up and focus your energy where it needs to be. As far as I’m concerned the vast majority of the accounts online asking for TM to resign or be expelled are “اکانت های نا امن” or just deluded people with no understanding of the real world.

[perspolis#1]

The time for vasat-bazi is over. Public pressure can be an effective tool, because without it absolutely nothing would change. If the public is pressuring their celebrities to be with them, too bad, that is the price of being a public figure. The one point where I disagree with some on this post is over the specific actions or degree of the actions that individuals need to take. Revolutions need pressure to be applied from multiple points. They need MLKs and they need Malcolm X's at the same time. If everyone on TM resigns, that would be great, but reality is that 10-20% of TM (like the general population) supports the IR, and then a big section are apolitical or afraid to speak out. I, for one, will wait to see what the individual players do and welcome all forms of protests, large and small.

زن زندگی آزادی

Public pressure is great, but it needs to be used correctly. I'm seeing a lot of transferrence of energy to try and shame and attack people who really are not doing much when the 99% of anger should be directed at IR and its policies.

A teacher of mine in medicine taught me that before you order something or give a medication you have to think about what the impact is. If helps patient, good. If it hurts bad. If it does nothing, BAD.

Banning Team Melli does nothing but make people abroad feel a hollow pride like they did something when in reality its useless.

Energy should be invested elsewhere. I would like to remind everyone that the only group of Iranians who have ever equated Iranian sports success to regime propaganda are Mujahedin Khalq.


Team Melli Players are just players at the end of the day, they dont have the responsibility to be civil rights leaders, just as you dont expect Jordan and Lebron to be Gandhi and Mandela in the US.

People need to stop making this a witch hunt because at the end of the day if they are only posting things online in support, they are taking zero risk and have NO RIGHT to ask others to take greater risk.

[bozghaleh]

I think it's fair to say everyone on this forum loves TM. Deep down none of us want TM to have a game cancelled or god forbid something happen to the WC, something that we all have waited 4 years for. Reading the comments, I think some want to have their cake and eat it too: we hope and pray for the best for the protests, but at the same time let TM play, almost as if we don't want one to interfere with the other. And so we put down the "keyboard warrior" etc etc.

As Webmaster stated a few days ago, for those of us with deep roots in Iran, and those in Iran, Iran comes first and TM distant second. I, like many others, have teared up and cried in the past few weeks looking at the footage or listening to a recitation of the section on zahak in the shahname. The pain inflicted on generations of Iranians is long and scars run deep, and perhaps this is not felt as much by second/third generation Iranian diaspora. In the past few years, and especially past few weeks, the foundations of the dark and damp prison have been shaken, and the mullahs are weaker than they have ever been in the past 40 years, and there is a feeling of change in the air. So, yes, many of us expect the leaders of various fields to help free the shackles of the vast majority of the people.

The time for vasat-bazi is over. Public pressure can be an effective tool, because without it absolutely nothing would change. If the public is pressuring their celebrities to be with them, too bad, that is the price of being a public figure. The one point where I disagree with some on this post is over the specific actions or degree of the actions that individuals need to take. Revolutions need pressure to be applied from multiple points. They need MLKs and they need Malcolm X's at the same time. If everyone on TM resigns, that would be great, but reality is that 10-20% of TM (like the general population) supports the IR, and then a big section are apolitical or afraid to speak out. I, for one, will wait to see what the individual players do and welcome all forms of protests, large and small.

زن زندگی آزادی

[mf_doom]

First, there’s such a thing as momentum. People are out on the street and need help NOW and need ALL the support they can get, right now, not next week, not next month, not in 2 months.
Second, if the security situation for the freaking Austrian friendly camp was so severe that players couldn’t even post a message on their social media, what makes you think it will be better during the World Cup? If they have to IR will confiscate all devices and station a guard outside each players room.

So youre plan is what.....for them to drop out? And that will do what?

You think the mullahs/IRGC are gonna care? Yeah Khamenaei is gonna be in tears especially since I heard him and his sons had a world cup pool set up.

Oh wait a minute! The mullahs dont give a shit about football! They never have; this isn't Putin's Olympic teams where the oppressive government sees the team as a propaganda symbol.

The mullahs see football as an annoyance at best, a sign of western decadence at worst. Iran could win 10-0 or lose 10-0 and the regime would be indifferent.

You want to put pressure on them? Get oil workers or miners to strike. IRGC's number one priority is the flow of money.

[legofish]

Everything seems so divided. I tell people that having our TM in the WC, protesting the regime, and performing well is the best thing they can do. But there are so many people saying that they should refuse to go and drop out as protest. I just don't see the point in that, they'll just get forgotten. Having them protest at the world's biggest sporting event is such a better move. I just can't get through to people on the other side no matter what I say...

First, there’s such a thing as momentum. People are out on the street and need help NOW and need ALL the support they can get, right now, not next week, not next month, not in 2 months.
Second, if the security situation for the freaking Austrian friendly camp was so severe that players couldn’t even post a message on their social media, what makes you think it will be better during the World Cup? If they have to IR will confiscate all devices and station a guard outside each players room.

[mbaizai]

Man fu÷÷ this situation. Is there a slight chance we will get banned because of fu%% masih? I see 0% chance