Breaking News!! Carlos Queiroz appointed as National Team Head Coach "It's official"

[Roozbeh-G2006]

It’s definitely an alt account someone just created. They figured out there’s only a small handful of them, so need to create accounts to support the cause. They’ll need 1000 Russian troll farms to change the reality that CQ is a far superior tactical coach than any of the options we could use for World Cup. This isn’t blind following either. The 100+ people supporting CQ here have actually watched TM play under both managers. One was a well oiled machine, and one was more akin to the 3 stooges. If CQ can get over the last hump of players not losing concentration in singular moments in his tenure, then we will go very far in the WC and win the next Asian Cup. Skocic’s tenure saw more brain farts in his short time as HC vs 8 years under CQ. That should tell you something about the discipline between the two managers. CQ is not a king or whatever superlatives people give to him, but he is the best option we could ever hope to get at the moment given the circumstances. I’m happy to explore a younger coach with a resume if CQ isn’t successful at WC, but we would need a miracle to get a point with Skocic’s weak tactics. The guy was out of his depth, and CQ will get the team organized to defend again. Our defense was our strongest attribute, and now our defense has been laughable under Skocic. If Roozbeh and Tooleh Khers (and their alt accounts) want to go to Qatar with a leaky defense and just hope for the best, then that is their prerogative. I would see that as suicide for TM, and it seems many others do as well.

Don't start fantasising and making false accusations.
For starters the admins of this site are well placed
to know who is working with multiple accounts. The IP address indicates that.
I never even went as far as discussing
game plans and strategies for WC, because your saint (lol)
Kateb bombarded this forum with BREAKING NEWS lol
about his inside info he was receiving from
his cousin/uncle/mate. But anyhow it is all water
under the bridge now. Enoy your fantasies about TM
parking the bus at WC and making minnows like Wales look
like Brazil.

[Afat11]

Don't start fantasising and making false accusations.
For starters the admins of this site are well placed
to know who is working with multiple accounts. The IP address indicates that.
I never even went as far as discussing
game plans and strategies for WC, because your saint (lol)
Kateb bombarded this forum with BREAKING NEWS lol
about his inside info he was receiving from
his cousin/uncle/mate. But anyhow it is all water
under the bridge now. Enoy your fantasies about TM
parking the bus at WC and making minnows like Wales look
like Brazil.

Lol, already setting it up so that when we beat wales you can call them minnows good one. They are ranked ahead of us as are USA. Both faster and with more Euro based talent than us. Did you expect Skocic to come in and outrun them and for us to dominate them offensively? Wales has players other than Bale and they have done well in a difficult European continent. I’m cool losing to them 3-1 like Mexico who people underestimated in 2006 and our friend Branko also had no plan.

I guess people didn’t like when our opponents had no shots on target for entire matches at a time? That only comes with a proper defense. We have a chance to frustrate our opponents who on paper have more talent than us. We just can’t go out there and try to outgun these teams, we need to out think them. CQ can do that, Skocic would try to outgun them and we’d pay the price. He couldn’t outgun Korea who is not as good as Wales or USA, if you think they are… haha I don’t think you watch much football. USA and Wales are both top 25 teams easily, their rankings are inflated, but nobody should underestimate either of those teams. Neither is a Minnow.

You or Tooleh Khers could be using vpn too . Just putting that out there.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Lol, already setting it up so that when we beat wales you can call them minnows good one. They are ranked ahead of us as are USA. Both faster and with more Euro based talent than us. Did you expect Skocic to come in and outrun them and for us to dominate them offensively? Wales has players other than Bale and they have done well in a difficult European continent. I’m cool losing to them 3-1 like Mexico who people underestimated in 2006 and our friend Branko also had no plan.
I guess people didn’t like when our opponents had no shots on target for entire matches at a time? That only comes with a proper defense. We have a chance to frustrate our opponents who on paper have more talent than us. We just can’t go out there and try to outgun these teams, we need to out think them. CQ can do that, Skocic would try to outgun them and we’d pay the price. He couldn’t outgun Korea who is not as good as Wales or USA, if you think they are… haha I don’t think you watch much football. USA and Wales are both top 25 teams easily, their rankings are inflated, but nobody should underestimate either of those teams. Neither is a Minnow.
You or Tooleh Khers could be using vpn too . Just putting that out there.

No dude
I never expected or indicated anywhere that Skocic
was going to win USA or Wales let alone England.
I new from day 1 we are in a difficult group
specially with the average and under average players
we have. But I do like the way we played under Skocic.
he didn't park the bus and we looked respectable team
that played FOOTBALL although it was all against weak Asian teams.
there! I put that in bald so you or others don't rush to point
that out. lol

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Lol, already setting it up so that when we beat wales you can call them minnows good one. They are ranked ahead of us as are USA. Both faster and with more Euro based talent than us. Did you expect Skocic to come in and outrun them and for us to dominate them offensively? Wales has players other than Bale and they have done well in a difficult European continent. I’m cool losing to them 3-1 like Mexico who people underestimated in 2006 and our friend Branko also had no plan.

I guess people didn’t like when our opponents had no shots on target for entire matches at a time? That only comes with a proper defense. We have a chance to frustrate our opponents who on paper have more talent than us. We just can’t go out there and try to outgun these teams, we need to out think them. CQ can do that, Skocic would try to outgun them and we’d pay the price. He couldn’t outgun Korea who is not as good as Wales or USA, if you think they are… haha I don’t think you watch much football. USA and Wales are both top 25 teams easily, their rankings are inflated, but nobody should underestimate either of those teams. Neither is a Minnow.

You or Tooleh Khers could be using vpn too . Just putting that out there.

Dude! I am having a hard time keeping up with one account why would I
want to waste my time setting up multiple accounts? If I am using VPN
again the admins would know. So stop making cheap accusations.

[Afat11]

Dude! I am having a hard time keeping up with one account why would I
want to waste my time setting up multiple accounts? If I am using VPN
again the admins would know. So stop making cheap accusations.

It’s difficult to tell with that new account making takes like Moghanlou should replace Taremi, I group all these bad takes together. Maybe you aren’t that new account, but Tooleh Khers has such a bad reputation on this forum, it won’t be surprised if it’s their alt account lol.

For your other post, you must have been watching different games than the rest of us. I wanted to punch my tv watching games under Skocic. I prefer a cavity filling to that torture. We got results against drastically weaker teams (as you point out), but we didn’t play well at all. I can’t remember a game under Skocic where I thought, “wow, we played with a world class plan today”.

I’d like to point out that I believe (and someone can correct me if I’m wrong), I don’t think we scored one goal from a set piece under Skocic’s reign. If that is indeed the case, that should tell you something about his tactics. Sardar finding Taremi with a nice chip or Vice versa and the other finding a goal we need is different than setting up the team tactically on a free kick or corner to score. The manager has a lot more time to plan that out and try to outthink the opponent. The amount of free kicks and corners where we were just standing static with no plan made me instantly recognize Skocic was useless. The goals we scored were due to moments of brilliance from players that were levels above their opponents (i.e. Sardar and Taremi are that much better than the current UAE, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria players).

The fact we couldn’t score a corner or set piece against these weak opponents and just whipped every ball to a man waiting to clear it for a counter that would sometime be dangerous/bad defending on the counter made me stop following TM as much under Skocic to be honest. It was frustration instead of the joy I used to get knowing our opponents were smacking their heads on the table in frustration against us under CQ.

[Afat11]

^i welcome Tooleh Khers or anyone else who is anti-CQ to explain away the set piece issues above. It’s such a glaring issue right in front of everyone that isn’t talked about enough. Under CQ there were complaints we scored too often from set pieces, we used to be considered dangerous in those situations (won us the game against Morocco based on Taremi’s positioning. If the Moroccan defender hadn’t scored, Taremi was waiting right behind him).

The fact that we were useless on set pieces, not even average, under Skocic is so telling, and I don’t think anyone will be able to provide any explanation. The set pieces are 100% in the managers control, the players don’t plan it and organize themselves. Just based on this alone, Skocic had no place as TM manager at the World Cup. If he can’t out-plan a set piece against our weak Asian qualifying group, you think our corners and set pieces against our World Cup opponents will be fruitful?

I think CQ’s personality just rubs some the wrong way, but talking about football management and tactics, there is really no discussion to be had… at all really. It’s just an “I don’t like CQ because he’s not nice” issue. It’s not a “the other options are better than CQ argument, as that has no basis in reality. None of the counter arguments (i.e. we had trouble against X opponent in 2013 and didn’t in 2021) are measurable or objective in any manner. Looking at set piece and corner goals, something quantifiable that is in the managers hands, we see the major gap if there is even any debate about the other tactics on the field. Skocic had very rudimentary tactics and I often saw us play ali asghari clear balls to Sardar and Taremi under Skocic, which like my post above says, made me want to destroy my tv as I thought we’d moved past that.

[Abtin]

for all the haters, have U seen the video with Mourinho praising CQ? get real man, thats coming from one of the BEST coaches in the world, yet you still wanna hate on King Q? The man single handedly revolutionized our TM, he's a ostad on and outside the field, with such a huge impact. also the clip with someone from the team of staff saying CQ would keep the staff awake during the night to work and prepare analysis and so on, get real and stop hating on the guy, he saved our ass and aberoo since 2011.

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[Roozbeh-G2006]

It’s difficult to tell with that new account making takes like Moghanlou should replace Taremi, I group all these bad takes together. Maybe you aren’t that new account, but Tooleh Khers has such a bad reputation on this forum, it won’t be surprised if it’s their alt account lol.

For your other post, you must have been watching different games than the rest of us. I wanted to punch my tv watching games under Skocic. I prefer a cavity filling to that torture. We got results against drastically weaker teams (as you point out), but we didn’t play well at all. I can’t remember a game under Skocic where I thought, “wow, we played with a world class plan today”.

I’d like to point out that I believe (and someone can correct me if I’m wrong), I don’t think we scored one goal from a set piece under Skocic’s reign. If that is indeed the case, that should tell you something about his tactics. Sardar finding Taremi with a nice chip or Vice versa and the other finding a goal we need is different than setting up the team tactically on a free kick or corner to score. The manager has a lot more time to plan that out and try to outthink the opponent. The amount of free kicks and corners where we were just standing static with no plan made me instantly recognize Skocic was useless. The goals we scored were due to moments of brilliance from players that were levels above their opponents (i.e. Sardar and Taremi are that much better than the current UAE, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria players).

The fact we couldn’t score a corner or set piece against these weak opponents and just whipped every ball to a man waiting to clear it for a counter that would sometime be dangerous/bad defending on the counter made me stop following TM as much under Skocic to be honest. It was frustration instead of the joy I used to get knowing our opponents were smacking their heads on the table in frustration against us under CQ.

set piece goals are nothing to do with tactics of a coach.
it has more to do with the technical abilities of players.
we have none! You better first look at the players we have
then start demanding a top class or near the top class
expensive coach. You bring in the most highly rated head coach
with a team of great and highly rated coaches, you still won't be able
to get fantastic results from a bunch of players who lack many skills in many
areas of their footballing. You are working with average, below average
(international standard) players. You need a lot of luck.

[Afat11]

set piece goals are nothing to do with tactics of a coach.
it has more to do with the technical abilities of players.
we have none! You better first look at the players we have
then start demanding a top class or near the top class
expensive coach. You bring in the most highly rated head coach
with a team of great and highly rated coaches, you still won't be able
to get fantastic results from a bunch of players who lack many skills in many
areas of their footballing. You are working with average, below average
(international standard) players. You need a lot of luck.

I don’t think it’s possible to argue logically with you, I’m sorry. Has the team that played for Carlos Queiroz been abducted by aliens or did they all disappear? The vast majority of the players who played under CQ in 2018 and 2019 and scored set pieces are also still either in TM or not being called up by Skocic like Pouraligangi. The same players available to Skocic were scoring set pieces for CQ, so I don’t understand the notion that it’s the players’ fault. Did they forget? Again, go back and watch game in the CQ era and educate yourself. You’ll see how much movement the players had, sometimes tricks where the taller players would pretend to go towards goal as expected and this would leave others open for deflections in the box (see nekounam’s goal against South Korea on the road to 2014). I gues CQ just told them to go out and they decided to synchronize movements on their own? Seriously, I might as well bang my head against a wall, I can give you 10000000000 examples, the human brain is obviously not wired to accept logic and facts in the face of deeply held bias.

[Ghermez Agha]

No dude
I never expected or indicated anywhere that Skocic
was going to win USA or Wales let alone England.
I new from day 1 we are in a difficult group
specially with the average and under average players
we have. But I do like the way we played under Skocic.
he didn't park the bus and we looked respectable team
that played FOOTBALL

Ah my favorite complaint by CQ critics is the style of play…..what exactly do you think would happen if kanani went 1v1 with Harry Kane for 90 mins who’s never played outside of asia or noorafkan gets tasked with marking foden?

Playing football comes in all shapes and sizes, it’s not one dimensional attacking football that should be appreciated. If you don’t have that ability that’s fine but do not try and argue that there’s one way to play the game bc that’s another argument you’ll lose heavily on.

[tooleh khers]

It’s not just about results. Skocic played the same 15 players for 2 years. His roster selection was bad. His substations were bad. His introduction of new talent into the squad was nonexistent. That’s why our 2022 roster looks identical to 2018. All of Skocic’s wins were based on talent alone, not tactics. That won’t work in the World Cup

Not true at all. TM was playing a new style, had tactics, and many of the same plyers were available to CQ so the player talent was the same. So you can't claim in one instance that it was CQ tactics and the other it was player talent. Again the 2018 and 2022 did not look identical and many of the veterans (Hajsafi, Ansarifard...) were on their way out and were not invited for Austria. You could clearly see Team Melli had tactics under Skocic if we were not so busy making excuses to bring back CQ. The man won 18 matches in the most difficult circumstances and most difficult games (WCQ).

[O-ZoNe]

Ah my favorite complaint by CQ critics is the style of play…..what exactly do you think would happen if kanani went 1v1 with Harry Kane for 90 mins who’s never played outside of asia or noorafkan gets tasked with marking foden?

Playing football comes in all shapes and sizes, it’s not one dimensional attacking football that should be appreciated. If you don’t have that ability that’s fine but do not try and argue that there’s one way to play the game bc that’s another argument you’ll lose heavily on.

The flip side is true as well right? Can't win many games playing in your own half and having sub par possession right? Good teams, even average teams play or attempt to play a complete game with all roles and players involved from GK to striker. Not many teams now a days win with 1 goal and clean sheets. Yes Greece is ine example against this norm but we have seen time and time again you need to attack to score. Whether you believe the best offense is a good defense or best defense is a good offense is the real debate...but you must attack and defend to win regularly even against minnows.

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[Roozbeh-G2006]

Ah my favorite complaint by CQ critics is the style of play…..what exactly do you think would happen if kanani went 1v1 with Harry Kane for 90 mins who’s never played outside of asia or noorafkan gets tasked with marking foden?

Playing football comes in all shapes and sizes, it’s not one dimensional attacking football that should be appreciated. If you don’t have that ability that’s fine but do not try and argue that there’s one way to play the game bc that’s another argument you’ll lose heavily on.

I don't want to cal cal with you. you got the buttons under your fingers. lol
but honestly, where is CQ going to bring these amazing players
who are going to shut down Harry kane for 90 minutes?
Or is CQ going to give a kiss of life to every TM player and blow
into their sole that magic breath that turns them into players
who can cope well with rushford, kane, sterling, foden et al?
many people here bang on about Skocic winning weak asian teams!!
Forgetting completely that these very weak teams
had invested hugely to qualify for this Qatar WC! They were
much stronger than they had ever been. Let's not forget that.