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  • Mehdi-D
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    [QUOTE=inarsenewetrust;2768276]his logic is always to be cautious imo. His xi selection is indicative of that. His subs are indicative of that.

    Well said. And also his game plan was indicative of that: Play backwards instead of forwards to gain some meaningless possession. This is exactly what other Croatian coaches have doe to our football in the past. If we play Brazil or Holland, he will ask all 11 players to bring their bed and to put them in the 18 yards.

    I understand a coach to be only result oriented but when he has so much talents on the bench but doesn't use them then it is pure stupidity. We had the likes of Saman, Ghaedi, Karim, Torabi on the bench, any decent coach would've subbed in at least two of them around 75th minutes while we had the momentum after scoring our goal to push to win the match.

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  • zereshk-ali
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    Well Iran controlled and dominated the game from the moment he made the first substitution until we equalised. Putting Amiri back in midfield allowed us to press them higher and they couldn't get out for around 15-20 minutes and JB's best spell in the game also coincided with the period after the substitution so I'm not sure we can criticise this too much.

    But I agree on the criticism around a lack of more attacking substitutions after we had equalised, and giving more time to quality players like Ghoddos, Ghaedi and Torabi to influence the game. Personally I think the mistake he made was not starting with that line-up with Amiri in midfield and Noorafkan at lb and then having the option to switch Amiri to lb and bring on more attacking subs later on.

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  • inarsenewetrust
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    his logic is always to be cautious imo. His xi selection is indicative of that. His subs are indicative of that.

    At 1-1 we had Korea by the balls but you could tell a few of our guys were tiring (they just played an intense game in UAE heat few days ago where again sko didnt really sub). Instead of introducing likes of ghoddos, ghayedi, Y. Salmani, torabi (or at least one of them) to provide that added offensive creativity and speed (physical speed and decision making) he instead chose to let our momentum die out and try to protect point.

    In the end even biggest skocic fans should admit the risk...they almost scored to win the game. A game we should have wrapped up 15 mins prior.

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  • Ghermez Agha
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    Originally posted by mehdi13 View Post
    2013–2014 Malavan
    2014–2016 Foolad
    2018 Khooneh be Khooneh
    2019–2020 Sanat Naft
    Lol this was amazing

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  • kaebi kabab
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    Originally posted by O-ZoNe View Post
    Ghoddos has little match time in England. Against weaker teams he could be ok but Korea could have exposed that today. I suppose Skocic saw this in training and didn't want to risk injury or fatigue. Fact is this result is acceptable and all the Koreans felt lucky to escape with a draw.

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    dont be silly even with little match time he is doing EPL training! that is a billion times more intense than no disrespect the IPL or QSL players

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  • kaebi kabab
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    useless coach we need to get rid asap

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  • ABalls
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    We're slatted to be ranked #21 next month with 6 games left in qualification and we have 1,545.02 points in the FIFA rankings. Top 16 ranked teams are all in the mix for WC qualifying at the moment still, which puts us into pot 3 (as there are three pots of 8). If we can get up to #15 (given that Qatar, as host, will be in pot #1), we're guaranteed to be in pot 2, which will be a huge boost to our prospects of advancing to R16. The current #15 are the Swiss, with a "live" point total of 1,630.91. That's a big point total difference. We'll need to both win out, and also for either some of the teams in front of us to either lose games during qualifying, or outright fail to make it, in order to reach Pot 2. Its not out of the question though! Colombia, Uruguay and USA all appear to be struggling and are in the top 20, and Europe is nearly completely up in the air (with 14 teams above us in the rankings, but only 13 qualification slots).

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  • Keshwardoost
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    i guess with how the game went, both teams should be happy and it was a fair result.. that last chance for korea was a sitter if it was the tottenham star who got it.. great save by Beiranvand.. he really saved us from a defeat.
    We hade good chances as well, 2 hit the post and lack of VAR saved korea from a penalty on Taremi aswell. since iraq drew with uae 1 pts is ok,
    btw uae had a goal in for 3-2 on overtime atleast it looked like that on the VAR, but the ref blew the wistle and said game had ended, pointed as it was a goal but said whole ball wasnt in.. and confusion on the field.. no goal game over.. uae players were crying on the field.. insane stuff..

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  • O-ZoNe
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    Ghoddos has little match time in England. Against weaker teams he could be ok but Korea could have exposed that today. I suppose Skocic saw this in training and didn't want to risk injury or fatigue. Fact is this result is acceptable and all the Koreans felt lucky to escape with a draw.

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  • Keshwardoost
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    dont know if his tactics are play safe first to get an advantage in second half aka coaches half.
    if he goes in with good tacitc first half the opponents coach will have a chance to adopt to it in second.
    but if he goes in with status que in first half he can surrprise the other side with a tactic in second, like today / combined with korea choking trying to defend 1-0 in 40 minutes with lack of tactics.

    im not saying its a good tactic, but seems he is a good cup coach so thats maybe why he does this tactics.. saving subs to 90 min maybe its a reflex that he thinks the games going in to overrtime lmao

    he should fix the defence, aka better pressure not 11 men standing infront of own penalty area and giving the opponents plenty of time on the ball, no perssure at all.. im surprised the koerans didnt do better.. i remember what messi did when he got 2 seconds with no pressure in world cup against us, now we didnt press att all in first half.. and make subs earlier, then im happy

    dont want to go to world cup and be the new 8-0ers
    remember they did also go through qualification but got exposed.. badly.
    we need to fix the non existing perssure in defence. thats most important, they cant just stand theyer and aim to shoot or make good passes. we were lucky koreans cant do that for shit, they need 20 chanses to make that pass and they may spot it one time, but an ok team would make our defence look like it was 2002 again

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  • Mehdi-D
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    Originally posted by mehdi13 View Post
    2013–2014 Malavan
    2014–2016 Foolad
    2018 Khooneh be Khooneh
    2019–2020 Sanat Naft
    Gholam Peyrovani has a better resume than him. At least he is from my hometown.

    Skocic not giving Ghoddus a chance along his overall subs today almost gave a heart attack today. I never said anything about any other coach we had in the past but I'm honestly beginning to dislike this guy very much. A demoted, retarded version of Branko Ivankovich at his best!

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  • rjafari
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    unfortunately we had (and missed) our chance with herve renard - i'm not sure Skocic can take us far but it just takes one look at Wilmots to know it could be much worse

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  • Ari
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    There is no logic. He got dedication and wants to win. But he is not an intelligent guy and thats his weakness.

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  • BacheLot
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    I agree he certainly ain’t no well qualified world beater international coach …be careful what you wish for asking for his axing .....!!
    our federation is broke as a joke and that's before paying up some 5 mil plus judgment they lost to that moftkhoreh e lard asss..!!

    Personally fear even a far worse replacement will be brought on in Eskoochie place ..!
    @ least he is pragmatic in his game approaches & plays mostly to our strengths & doesn’t try to revolutionize our overall successful game approaches from long CQ’s tenure & for most part plays the strongest squad available to him ..!
    But yea, we have the squad strength & potential to be a far more formidable WC participant once we qualified with a coach like that of Saudi's.!
    But even him gonna need at least a few months in charge (3-4 challenging friendlies & at least 2-3 weeklong prep camps) prior to WC to get his ideas through & game strategies properly implemented..! & let me tell you what …! AINT GONNA HAPPEN ..!
    Be happy with status quo or be prepared to be even more disappointed..!

    If he continues our qualifications process as well he has so far, we’d be fools to opt for a change knowing our fundamental deficies above, the least of which is $$s..!

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  • milad_b
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    2012–2013 Persepolis (assistant)
    2015– Persepolis (assistant)
    2020– Iran (part time manager)

    Karim bagheri is the manager! skocic is the yes man! Who would play ahmadnoor over ghoddos? at least sub him out in 2nd half!

    This team is no way near world cup level! Either give skocic time or look for a proper option available!

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