The Swedish Connection that might take Team Melli players to Europe

[ali alipour]

Zlatan is a product of the Swedish league. If malmö FF would have never given him a chance to play and develop in the first years he wouldn't be anywhere today.

But indeed he developed more at Ajax than any other Club. How did Ajax find him? cause he played for Malmö FF and not PersOVerPayplayersPolis.

so why is there only one of him. If he was a product of the league there should be many Swedish players as good as him.

[Hormozgan]

But what I'm saying is that if the likes of Taremi etc go there, I don't see them staying there for long, since judging by what we've seen from him, I'd say it's no too hard to believe that he will move on to a better league after 1-2 seasons.

Trust me, Swedish teams wouldn't buy an Iranian player for him to stay his entire career. Sweden is a seller's market. They buy young and unproven and sell to the highest bidder. They're well aware that Iran is Asian quality team that more likely will qualify to the WC = a shopping window in 2 years time = perfect selling market, if the for example Taremi has proven himself in Sweden/Europe two years and grown as a player.

Sweden still has the 51% rule, which makes it impossible for investors to takeover an entire club, so they have to balance out the economy in other ways ^

[Sly]

These are once in a generation players who are just talents freaks. They don't have much to do with the leagues

How about Fredrik Ljungberg? How about Henrik Larsson? If we go further back in time, how about Thomas Brolin?
You can not neglect the fact that the Swedish football produces some great players! Their school is up there among the most modern ones. and the whole point is, our players would be so much better off playing there than in many other European leagues!

[Hormozgan]

These are once in a generation players who are just talents freaks. They don't have much to do with the leagues

Actually, no. Ljungberg won both the league and the cup with small town club Halmstad, who got relagated this year. They were talented players playing domestically, performed and took the chance to go abroad, just as Iranian players should. Larsson went to Feyenoord and Ljungberg straight to Arsenal.

Sure, Zlatan is a force of nature and he had emmense raw talent, but he could had ended up like say Mido if he hadn't a certain IQ and work ethic to put his talent to use and get to a bigger stage and learn from greats to go with his enormous potenial.

[Zamboor]

so why is there only one of him. If he was a product of the league there should be many Swedish players as good as him.

Cause he is a SUPER STAR. He is no ordinary player. There are tons of average players and great talents just look how Swedish u-21 won the euro championship and qualified for the olympics. You can't compare a SUPER star to ordinary players. Why doesent Premier League produce a single english striker equally as good as Zlatan? Well now they got Kane but before that there was an empty vacuum, are you going to say that the english academies suck. You need Talent to develop in to a Zlatan. Without the Zlatan even if we give you all the best facilities in the world at best you will become a Bojan Kirkic.

[ali alipour]

How about Fredrik Ljungberg? How about Henrik Larsson? If we go further back in time, how about Thomas Brolin?
You can not neglect the fact that the Swedish football produces some great players! Their school is up there among the most modern ones. and the whole point is, our players would be so much good off playing there!

Im talking about Zlatan in particular. His physique and talent is pretty irrelevant of the Swedish league. He would probably be just as good if he started off in the Croatian or Ukrainian league or whatever. These single freak case guys don't have much to do with the league. Do you think mikhtaryan is a product of the Armenian league?

[Sly]

Im talking about Zlatan in particular. His physique and talent is pretty irrelevant of the Swedish league. He would probably be just as good if he started off in the Croatian or Ukrainian league or whatever. These single freak case guys don't have much to do with the league. Do you think mikhtaryan is a product of the Armenian league?

I don't agree with you! The fact that Zlatan has reached where he's reached, and Ali Karimi reached where he reached is a clear indication of the environment they both were brought up in!
If Ali Karimi was brought up in Sweden, you never know.... he might have been up there among the best today!

[Camran khan]

I don't agree with you! The fact that Zlatan has reached where he's reached, and Ali Karimi reached where he reached is a clear indication of the environment they both were brought up in! If Ali Karimi were brought up in Sweden, you never know.... he might have been up there among the best today!

To be fair, Karimi growing up in Iran is what made him special. Growing up in a country like Sweden he most likely wouldn't be playing gol kuchik and futsal and he wouldn't be able to dribble like that.
But if Karimi went to Europe at an early age, then yes, god knows where he would've ended up.

[Sly]

To be fair, Karimi growing up in Iran is what made him special. Growing up in a country like Sweden he most likely wouldn't be playing gol kuchik and futsal and he wouldn't be able to dribble like that.

But if Karimi went to Europe at an early age, then yes, god knows where he would've ended up.

But then you would say all the Iranian goalkoochik players are Karimis because of the iranian environment! But they are not! Karimi was a one timer player who had an inherited talent! Just like Zlatan! The only difference is, one was brought up properly in professional environment and one wasn't.

[Hormozgan]

But if Karimi went to Europe at an early age, then yes, god knows where he would've ended up.

And that's exactly what this might lead to, to get back to topic

Where would you prefer these players on Patrick Mörk's roster to end up in European teams? And please be realistic, dear friends..

Omid Alishah (Liga Adelante)
Hossein Kanaani (2. Bundesliga)
Mehdi Taremi (Allsvenskan)
Mehdi Torabi (Ligue 1)
Kaveh Rezaei (Danish Superliga)
Milad Mohammadi (Eredivisie)
Mehrdad Mohammadi (Eredivisie)
Mehrdad Ghanbari (Raiffeisen Super League)
Ali Alipour (Russian Premier League)
Milad Kamandani (SuperLig)

Maybe?

[Camran khan]

But then you would say all the Iranian goalkoochik players are Karimis because of the iranian environment! But they are not! Karimi was a one timer player who had an inherited talent! Just like Zlatan! The only difference is, one was brought up properly in professional environment and one wasn't.

I think the problem is that you and ali alipour are arguing about different things. I think ali alipour is mostly talking about talent, which we have no shortage of in Iran, while you're talking about the professional enviroment which Sweden has and Iran doesn't.

[Zamboor]

I would love to have them here in Alllsvenskan. To be honest the league is on its way back. Malmö FF took the first step 2 seasons ago and now european teams actually are afraid of playing Malmö FF away in Malmö. This might be the start of the return of Allsvenskan to the top football in Europe. I know i might be overreacting and so on but the quality of the football and players have increased in the past years. A few years ago i would fall asleep watching allsvenskan games now its actually interesting and exciting.

[Sly]

And that's exactly what this might lead to, to get back to topic

Where would you prefer these players on Patrick Mörk's roster to end up in European teams? And please be realistic, dear friends..

Omid Alishah (Liga Adelante)
Hossein Kanaani (2. Bundesliga)
Mehdi Taremi (Allsvenskan)
Mehdi Torabi (Ligue 1)
Kaveh Rezaei (Danish Superliga)
Milad Mohammadi (Eredivisie)
Mehrdad Mohammadi (Eredivisie)
Mehrdad Ghanbari (Raiffeisen Super League)
Ali Alipour (Russian Premier League)
Milad Kamandani (SuperLig)

Maybe?

Well, I read some people here say if they end up in the Swedish league, it's only good if they ended up in the top teams. I would say even if they end up in the lower table teams, it's good for them. They could slowly get to the better teams and maybe even go to better leagues.

[Hormozgan]

I would love to have them here in Alllsvenskan. To be honest the league is on its way back. Malmö FF took the first step 2 seasons ago and now european teams actually are afraid of playing Malmö FF away in Malmö. This might be the start of the return of Allsvenskan to the top football in Europe. I know i might be overreacting and so on but the quality of the football and players have increased in the past years. A few years ago i would fall asleep watching allsvenskan games now its actually interesting and exciting.

I would agree. Teams have actually reached CL and EL group stages on a more regular basis and never before has there been over 2 million attendee's over the course of a 30 game season in Sweden, a country with 9 million inhabitants. Hammarby who finished 11th out of 16 had the most average attendance with 25 490 spectators, and the big games have had over 40 000 in top modern stadiums. Put that in perspective with the size of the country etc. and don't compare to Azadi derbies and 80 million people. Think Naft vs. Malavan etc.

[Sly]

I think the problem is that you and ali alipour are arguing about different things. I think ali alipour is mostly talking about talent, which we have no shortage of in Iran, while you're talking about the professional enviroment which Sweden has and Iran doesn't.

Yes, but he's saying players like Zlatan would have been good irrespective of where they were brought up in! I definitely don't agree with that. Imagine Zlatan was brought up in Iran just like Karimi. If, just like Karimi, he didn't go to Europe at an early age, do you think he would have succeeded like he is today? I think he was a raw talent but the Swedish environment and their league definitely helped him to reach where he is today.