Any analysis of CQ's performance must take into account our TALENT DROUGHT

[Doctor DOOM]

@ Camran Yes, we basically had nekunam and Ando only.
Due to Just as bad a showing at the WC

[ramingeles2000]

Actions speak louder than words. All he does is nag nag nag. Sometimes I wish they would call a a wambulanace for him.

Oh and you thought it isn't his job to teach proper chest trap to players...

Ok so you have no response to what I said. Which is OK, except I wish you wouldn't pollute the thread because so far you haven't contributed. And no, it's not a national team coach's duty to teach fundamentals like a chest trap. Do you understand how international coaching works? An international coach's job isn't to teach basic skills, it's to select the best players and develop strategies and lead the team.

[Camran khan]

I agree generally, but your contention that there was "comparatively more action in transfer markets" after WC98 compared to WC2006 is incorrect, which goes against your argument. In fact, our only positive export after the WC was Mahdavikia and (if you want to call it an export) Dinmohammadi. Bagheri, Azizi, Daei, and I'm fairly sure Minavand were already playing in Europe. Compare this to WC2006, where we had a terrible performance but the quality of Teymourian, Shojaei, and Nekounam led to La Liga and EPL berths.

Shojaei went to Europe 2008.

[mahestan]

WHY should CQ stop complaining? other than to not offend sensitive iranian feelings? from my perspective, his complaining has gotten a lot done by showing how corrupt, lazy and stupid IFF and certain elements in the PGL are. Also, it's lit a fire under many players butts.

Actions speak louder than words. All he does is nag nag nag. Sometimes I wish they would call a a wambulanace for him.

Oh and you thought it isn't his job to teach proper chest trap to players...

[ramingeles2000]

What has he done to correct this mismanagement other than complain and nag? I think a couple of times he went to get Visas with some players, and he tried to deal with the Pooladi situation, other than that what has he done to fix mismanagement?

My intentions with these comments? Someone for the love of GOD/ALLAH/BUDDHA get him to complain less. We all know, things in Iran are difficult, he needs to give it a rest.





Yes, the fame and money gets to their head. Remember Shojaei during his store opening in Tehran? The dude had a dollar sign on his lapel.

WHY should CQ stop complaining? other than to not offend sensitive iranian feelings? from my perspective, his complaining has gotten a lot done by showing how corrupt, lazy and stupid IFF and certain elements in the PGL are. Also, it's lit a fire under many players butts.

[ramingeles2000]

Yikes, cringe worthy when we call a coach ''king''.

It's a playful nickname. Plenty of people call him that in Iran.

[mahestan]

Well to be fair, CQ is not wrong. When you come into a country as mismanaged as Iran is, it is only natural that you, who were hired as a manager, try to correct the mismanagement.

It's hard to guess what his intentions are with these comments, but he is not wrong.

What has he done to correct this mismanagement other than complain and nag? I think a couple of times he went to get Visas with some players, and he tried to deal with the Pooladi situation, other than that what has he done to fix mismanagement?

My intentions with these comments? Someone for the love of GOD/ALLAH/BUDDHA get him to complain less. We all know, things in Iran are difficult, he needs to give it a rest.

I think people are missing the fact that our football has turned into a corrupt multi-billion dollar industry in the last 10-15 years run by people who don't give a damn about anything but $$.

People like Hashemian and Nekounam loved the game, that's why they played and made it top leagues from no where.

Most players today love the fame, that's why they play. They are not willing to work hard to make it.

It's as clear as day that our NT team lacks talent to select from. Sure there is potential, but that potential needs to be reached. And as of yet it hasn't.

Yes, the fame and money gets to their head. Remember Shojaei during his store opening in Tehran? The dude had a dollar sign on his lapel.

[rugs]

I think people are missing the fact that our football has turned into a corrupt multi-billion dollar industry in the last 10-15 years run by people who don't give a damn about anything but $$.

People like Hashemian and Nekounam loved the game, that's why they played and made it top leagues from no where.

Most players today love the fame, that's why they play. They are not willing to work hard to make it.

It's as clear as day that our NT team lacks talent to select from. Sure there is potential, but that potential needs to be reached. And as of yet it hasn't.

[ramingeles2000]

No, I'm saying what you show to the world will more or less tally with what you reap later in transfers.

As bad as our 14 was which saw very little movement, the 06 was perhaps just as hopeless, which again saw very little movement. But compare it to the 98's more decent showing, where we saw comparatively more action in transfer markets.

Besides, I am not saying the WC showing is the be all and end all of transfers. It is in all international competitions like ASIA CUP also. These facilitate transfer prospects far smoother and probable compared to a cold sell done by clubs (Not impossible. But far more difficult) with very little success shown internationally.

I agree generally, but your contention that there was "comparatively more action in transfer markets" after WC98 compared to WC2006 is incorrect, which goes against your argument. In fact, our only positive export after the WC was Mahdavikia and (if you want to call it an export) Dinmohammadi. Bagheri, Azizi, Daei, and I'm fairly sure Minavand were already playing in Europe. Compare this to WC2006, where we had a terrible performance but the quality of Teymourian, Shojaei, and Nekounam led to La Liga and EPL berths.

[Kiarash]

Yikes, cringe worthy when we call a coach ''king''.

[ramingeles2000]

I love how so many people have fallen for CQ's clever plan. Since coming to Iran he has criticised everything we as a country have; from our infrastructure, all the way to our league and quality of players, in order to bring down expectations. So that when we draw to Oman, it's not too bad and when we draw against Japan, it's a massive accomplishment...

My friend, I know you don't believe what you're saying. CQ criticizes everything we have because our players, infrastructure, and league are all worthy of criticism. This isn't part of any plan, CQ throughout his career has ALWAYS been a hothead and said what's on his mind. It's gotten him into trouble before, too. His career hasn't been short on controversy, in large part because he doesn't take BS very well.

Why are you complaining? Why are we so insecure as a people that we have to be insulted by what he says, especially when it's the truth? Look at the effect of his words! Look at how IFF has gotten their act together and strung together more world-class friendlies for us in 12 months than ever before in our history. Look at the fact that players are flocking to Europe - ANY european team that will take them, even random teams in Greece and Russia - because he's made it clear that he values European experience. These are all positive developments. He's upped the standards by pointing out the obvious. Why are we so offended?

Of course a draw against Oman away isn't a bad result. Are you new to Iranian football? do you not realize they've always had our number, and that the playing field in asian football has leveled? Do you not realize that he's currently trying to introduce new young players? do you think that CQ really needs to play some sort of "game" by putting down Iran's resources in order to protect his job security? He has the most job security of any TM coach in history, doesn't he?

[rugs]

I love how so many people have fallen for CQ's clever plan. Since coming to Iran he has criticised everything we as a country have; from our infrastructure, all the way to our league and quality of players, in order to bring down expectations. So that when we draw to Oman, it's not too bad and when we draw against Japan, it's a massive accomplishment...

Well to be fair, CQ is not wrong. When you come into a country as mismanaged as Iran is, it is only natural that you, who were hired as a manager, try to correct the mismanagement.

It's hard to guess what his intentions are with these comments, but he is not wrong.

[Doctor DOOM]

I ?!
And you're saying that our performance at WC was the reason why more players didn't go to Europe??! are you serious? so you think it was our "epic performance" at WC2006 that allowed Nekounam, Shojaei and Ando to go to Europe right afterwards? Are you saying we had a better performance in WC2006? And you accuse other people of lacking reading comprehension??

No, I'm saying what you show to the world will more or less tally with what you reap later in transfers.

As bad as our 14 was which saw very little movement, the 06 was perhaps just as hopeless, which again saw very little movement. But compare it to the 98's more decent showing, where we saw comparatively more action in transfer markets.

Besides, I am not saying the WC showing is the be all and end all of transfers. It is in all international competitions like ASIA CUP also. These facilitate transfer prospects far smoother and probable compared to a cold sell done by clubs (Not impossible. But far more difficult) with very little success shown internationally.
A clear case in point is MK's 1996 team in Asia cup and 98 qualifiers that saw the biggest migration; Daei, Aziz, bagheri, pashazadeh, minivans, yazdani, nakisa, dinmohamadi, ....etc. Etc.





As for a comparison to previous generations, we also must include the general rule of ''ebb and flow'' in our assumptions. Nearly every country in the world of football experiences this. Even Brazil.
But having said that, I must say we're not doing any better or any worse than how we were doing 5 or 10 or 15 years back in terms of producing talent. Trust me, I follow youth football in Iran from the time Pashazadeh and co were a bunch of youngsters. So I'd have good enough and long enough set of data to refer to.

[Shah Abbas]

I love how so many people have fallen for CQ's clever plan. Since coming to Iran he has criticised everything we as a country have; from our infrastructure, all the way to our league and quality of players, in order to bring down expectations. So that when we draw to Oman, it's not too bad and when we draw against Japan, it's a massive accomplishment...

[ramingeles2000]

You are very correct. Simply having talent is not enough to make one a great player. One needs a lot of peripheral factors to result in a top quality player. Factors like proper facilities and infrastructure, good coaching, good league competition, good training, ... etc. etc.

But here, in this thread, the focus of the ... ahem ... 'defense' is lack of talent that is supposed to excuse lack of progress in quality of TM performances. And as far as the topic of presence or absence of talent in Iran is concerned, we certainly DO have talent ... and compared to majority of our continent, in abundance too.

again the reading comprehension issues arise...really ironic considering that you're insulting other members and saying they only understand "baby english" when it's clear from your posts you suffer from the same issue.

No one is saying we don't have talent compared to the rest of the continent. I'm simply pointing out the VERY OBVIOUS fact that in comparison to OURSELVES and PAST TM GENERATIONS we are lacking talent, and that therefore any evluation of TM's performances should take this into account. Any evaluation of TM's performance should also take into account the fact that we're attempting a generational overhaul right now, and are suffering growing pains.

And as for those training conditions, coaching, infrastructure, and other peripheral issues that are required in addition to talent....didn't our players 15 years ago have to suffer through the exact same conditions as the players today, if not worse? the answer is yes. so then what is the reason behind the fact that we can't place a single player into one of the top 4 leagues?