FIFA World Cup 2018 Qualifying: Oman - Iran @ Sultan Qaboos, Muscat; 08-10-2015

[ali alipour]

You are right, CQ out and Khakpour in. Our passing will eventually improve 10 fold

This is not at all reactionary. This is based on careful analysis of the past year, and nothing at all to do with 1 game each from TM and u23 that we watched. There was nobody calling for khakpour's resignation 6 months ago after a string of abysmal games. That never happened.

Our league is full of attacking and precise passing on a weekly basis. It's not only occasional good football that we wish we saw with more consistency every week.

Its crazy how with such amazing passing and attacking in our league and u23 and u19 team, our senior TM magically cannot pass.

You talk about reactionary yet this seems like a reactionary response to me. Nowhere did I say khakpour should replace cq or that cq should go. Just saying that contrary to the popular belief here, Iranian players are actually able to pass the ball.

[Kiarash]

People think if CQ goes, IFF and the sports ministry will do their best to bring another great coach!!!?? trust me, THEY WILL NOT!! we will end up with the Farakis and Galenoies at most for many years. we need to hold on to CQ with tooth and nail as much as we can as dark days will linger for ever if he goes....

Carlos Queiroz is a good coach considering the domestic options we have.

But man, the admiration of Queiroz goes too far. I want him to stay too because I believe he can make our team better, but he is no god. His achievements are still not better than his previous colleagues, the QF's of the Asian Cup and Group Stage of the World Cup has been achieved before. I think it's pretty normal that some people here expect better results after 4 years. Oman tie was not the real problem, but the way how we performed is worrisome. I thought we were done dealing with Arab teams because I hope CQ would have figured how to play them since he is coaching TM for 4 years now.

His decisions to play too defensive against weaker opponents and playing Hajsafi as LB when he proves to suck on that position time after time leave a lot to be desired. Just to give a few examples.

[Gotham]

^ The results are not that important to me so long as I enjoy the way we play.



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That's the stupidest, most idiotic statement I've read the past week. Playing style is more important than result? Are you high?



"Oh yeah we lost the game against this top team but we played well!"

Ohh yeahh well we won this match against this top team but we didn't play well, QUIEROZ OUT!"

[Z Joon]

Carlos Queiroz is a good coach considering the domestic options we have.

But man, the admiration of Queiroz goes too far. I want him to stay too because I believe he can make our team better, but he is no god. His achievements are still not better than his previous colleagues, the QF's of the Asian Cup and Group Stage of the World Cup has been achieved before. I think it's pretty normal that some people here expect better results after 4 years. Oman tie was not the real problem, but the way how we performed is worrisome. I thought we were done dealing with Arab teams because I hope CQ would have figured how to play them since he is coaching TM for 4 years now.

Absolutely spot on. As you said it's not the Oman tie that was the issue, We have always had difficult times vs them even with our golden generation, and an away draw vs an Asian tier 2 opponent isn't the end of the world, the real issue was how we played in that game, which was absolutely terrible.

Probably top 3 worst performances of TM under CQ (With the Lebanon and Turkmenistan matches)

[ramingeles2000]

Carlos Queiroz is a good coach considering the domestic options we have.

But man, the admiration of Queiroz goes too far. I want him to stay too because I believe he can make our team better, but he is no god. His achievements are still not better than his previous colleagues, the QF's of the Asian Cup and Group Stage of the World Cup has been achieved before. I think it's pretty normal that some people here expect better results after 4 years. Oman tie was not the real problem, but the way how we performed is worrisome. I thought we were done dealing with Arab teams because I hope CQ would have figured how to play them since he is coaching TM for 4 years now.

His decisions to play too defensive against weaker opponenst and playing Hajsafi as LB when he proves to suck on that position time after time leave a lot to be desired.

You have to consider his results in context. TM has a talent shortage right now. We're in a drought compared to 1996-2007. Just look at our legionnaires. We don't have a single player in 1st division Eng/Germ/Italy/Spain. Our best prospects are non-starters in the Russia league and Eredivisie. Given the lack of talent, CQ is doing well, and has outperformed his predecessors.

What would CQ do if he had real quality? If he had 3 bundesliga starters, 2 la liga starters, and a respected Serie A defender?

TM talent sort of sucks right now and no one wants to admit it. But anyone who's been watching for 15+ years and sees our history knows this.

[Gotham]

Absolutely spot on. As you said it's not the Oman tie that was the issue, We have always had difficult times vs them even with our golden generation, and an away draw vs an Asian tier 2 opponent isn't the end of the world, the real issue was how we played in that game, which was absolutely terrible.

Probably top 3 worst performances of TM under CQ (With the Lebanon and Turkmenistan matches)

I still think with our sanctions gone, we should look to see if there's some reputable managers available in Europe. I don't think we're going to go far with Quieroz's bezan ziresh.

[Kiarash]

Absolutely spot on. As you said it's not the Oman tie that was the issue, We have always had difficult times vs them even with our golden generation, and an away draw vs a tier 2 opponent isn't the end of the world, the real issue was how we played in that game, which was absolutely terrible.

Probably top 3 worst performances of TM under CQ (With the Lebanon and Turkmenistan matches)

Go figure that we really pulled the equalizer out of our asses.

It definitely says something about Queiroz's coaching abilities to implement the right tactics, get the boys motivated to go out on full force and prepare them for Oman overall. From yesterday, it looked like none of the above were done accordingly. It was shite.

[Kiarash]

You have to consider his results in context. TM has a talent shortage right now. We're in a drought compared to 1996-2007. Just look at our legionnaires. We don't have a single player in 1st division Eng/Germ/Italy/Spain. Our best prospects are non-starters in the Russia league and Eredivisie. Given the lack of talent, CQ is doing well, and has outperformed his predecessors.

What would CQ do if he had real quality? If he had 3 bundesliga starters, 2 la liga starters, and a respected Serie A defender?

TM talent sort of sucks right now and no one wants to admit it. But anyone who's been watching for 15+ years and sees our history knows this.

To be honest, we don't need any European based player to beat Oman. Looking at the past achievements of Oman, it is safe to say that they are a 2nd tier Asian side at best! Even our league is superior to Oman, so I don't think that the ''shortage of talent'' is an issue. We had pretty experienced players like Andranik, Hosseini and few others on the field..what they had shown was far below what should be expected from them. Talents can't carry the entire team by themselves.

[Z Joon]

I still think with our sanctions gone, we should look to see if there's some reputable managers available in Europe. I don't think we're going to go far with Quieroz's bezan ziresh.

I also believe, contrarily to most people, that we should certainly be able to find a decent foreign coach after CQ, I said it before even someone like Paul Le Guen, current Oman manager, who has an impressive resume and is a realistic option, I'm sure someone of his caliber could still achieve excellent results with the future Iranian squad, we have a lot of great talents coming up which may end up being one of our best generations imo (2018-2022 one).

But CQ must stay now and improve, we started this qualification with him and we will need to end it with him (of course except major slip up), however after 2018 I think it would be time for someone else to step up.

[ramingeles2000]

To be honest, we don't need any European based player to beat Oman. Looking at the past achievements of Oman, it is safe to say that they are a 2nd tier Asian side at best! Even our league is superior to Oman, so I don't think that the ''shortage of talent'' is an issue. We had pretty experienced players like Andranik, Hosseini and few others on the field..what they had shown was far below what should be expected from them. Talents can't carry the entire team by themselves.

how about giving oman credit for a good performance? we've always had matchup problems with them. 1) our team is short on talent 2) we're in a transition phase. everyone says to inject new blood but when CQ actually does it and we inevitable have some growing pains short-sighted people complain 3) a 1-1 draw away is a respectable result, look at what happened to Germany vs Ireland or Australia vs Jordan. Give me a break.

Iranian fans complain so much. Just wait til CQ gives up and leaves, we'll rue the day we gave him so much crap for NO REASON

[Kiarash]

how about giving oman credit for a good performance? we've always had matchup problems with them. 1) our team is short on talent 2) we're in a transition phase. everyone says to inject new blood but when CQ actually does it and we inevitable have some growing pains short-sighted people complain 3) a 1-1 draw away is a respectable result, look at what happened to Germany vs Ireland or Australia vs Jordan. Give me a break.

Iranian fans complain so much. Just wait til CQ gives up and leaves, we'll rue the day we gave him so much crap for NO REASON

We made Oman look like world beaters because we gave them too much confidence considering our uncreative defensive playing style. The same Oman who tied Guam a while ago, just keep that in mind. I don't like how we draw comparisons to other teams to make ourselves feel better just because Japan or Australia lost to whoever. Why should it matter? Why can't we look down upon ourselves and be critical? God forbid if we are critical about our coach or team...

[saadat_abad]

I also believe, contrarily to most people, that we should certainly be able to find a decent foreign coach after CQ, I said it before even someone like Paul Le Guen, current Oman manager, who has an impressive resume and is a realistic option, I'm sure someone of his caliber could still achieve excellent results with the future Iranian squad, we have a lot of great talents coming up which may end up being one of our best generations imo (2018-2022 one).

But CQ must stay now and improve, we started this qualification with him and we will need to end it with him (of course except major slip up), however after 2018 I think it would be time for someone else to step up.

i do agree with keeping CQ till the end of the campaign unless we actually really fuck and go down hill. i feel like after the 2018 Wc Cq would like to retire anyways. it be great success to take iran to two consecutive WC's and possibility reaching the QF's of the 2018 WC. i think that should be a good enough ending for him.

[ramingeles2000]

I also believe, contrarily to most people, that we should certainly be able to find a decent foreign coach after CQ, I said it before even someone like Paul Le Guen, current Oman manager, who has an impressive resume and is a realistic option, I'm sure someone of his caliber could still achieve excellent results with the future Iranian squad, we have a lot of great talents coming up which may end up being one of our best generations imo (2018-2022 one).

But CQ must stay now and improve, we started this qualification with him and we will need to end it with him (of course except major slip up), however after 2018 I think it would be time for someone else to step up.

how in gods name could you possiby believe this? what makes you believe that we could get a coach like that?

[Z Joon]

how in gods name could you possiby believe this? what makes you believe that we could get a coach like that?

How in gods name could I possibly believe this? I can ask you the same thing tbh: how in gods name could you possibly believe that we cannot get a coach like that again? How do you think CQ was hired? Because PFDC members begged him to come to Iran?

With the sanctions being gone, we can start seeing the effects of it in most sports, football included. I believe that now, we can get any half-decent coach with the money that we are giving to CQ regardless anyways.
Maybe not someone with the resume of CQ, but a foreign coach that will do a decent job with Iran. And unlike most people I don't think that CQ is a god that makes us do wonders, in the end on paper, he did a great job but nothing extraordinary, and someone of the level of Paul Le Guen could most likely do as good with the level of promising Iranian talents coming up in the next few years.

You may think differently, and free to do so, I know that there are several members on these forums that think of CQ as some sort of Messiah of Iranian football, it's your opinions after all, and everyone has a different one. He is a great coach and did a lot of good in Iranian football, but to me there are a lot of managers that could realistically coach Iran and do as well as him at least. But anyways we are talking few years early, he started this and will need to stay to complete what his contract was renewed for; qualify Iran to the WC. Afterwards in 2018, there will be place for these words.

[K. Nader]

How in gods name could I possibly believe this? I can ask you the same thing tbh: how in gods name could you possibly believe that we cannot get a coach like that again? How do you think CQ was hired? Because PFDC members begged him to come to Iran?

With the sanctions being gone, we can start seeing the effects of it in most sports, football included. I believe that now, we can get any half-decent coach with the money that we are giving to CQ regardless anyways.
Maybe not someone with the resume of CQ, but a foreign coach that will do a decent job with Iran. And unlike most people I don't think that CQ is a god that makes us do wonders, in the end on paper, he did a great job but nothing extraordinary, and someone of the level of Paul Le Guen could most likely do as good with the level of promising Iranian talents coming up in the next few years.

You may think differently, and free to do so, I know that there are several members on these forums that think of CQ as some sort of Messiah for Iranian football, it's your opinions after all, and everyone has a different one. He is a great coach and did a lot of good in Iranian football, but to me there are a lot of coach that could potentially coach Iran and do as well as him at least. But anyways we are talking few years early, he started this and will need to stay to complete what his contract was renewed for; qualify Iran to the WC. Afterwards in 2018, there will be place for these words.

Sanctions play a marginal difference. You'd be naive to think that even if money is allowed to flow, it would be for the betterment of the team. Again, I don't know what % of members on this site are familiar with the socio-political climate in Iran but rugs has brought it up over and over. There are very few people that care about improving our football; the majority want to fill up their pockets and leave. There's a nonsensical fantasy that people live in, thinking that change will instantly yield better results.

I've rarely posted lately due to a lack of time (and also due to the cyclical nature of these discussions). In any case, props to the likes of ramingeles2000 and Ando_Teymourian for seeing the big picture as it is and not as they'd like to imagine it to be.