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Are they legally allowed to hold someones passport? That's illegal no matter how much the fines are.Originally posted by O-ZoNe View PostWell now you know why he wants to leave, but as others have stated in this thread, IFF is holding him against his wishes due to his contractual obligations and financial penalties. We all heard the news that CQ lost close to million dollars recently so perhaps he really can't afford any penalties or fines at this stage. Of course, this is all speculation and we won't know until our next match who is going to be our coach.
If IFF signed a legal document they should take him to court and not force him into anything.
Whatever way this ends up we can kiss goodbye to any good coach coming to coach Iran after this mess.
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Originally posted by Bi-honar View PostI'm not a fan of Afazeli at all and agree with what you're saying in the 2nd paragraph.
I'm all for CQ standing up to IFF as well, but for that he has to be committed to the job. Simply giving up and saying things aren't going to change and we're not going to be successful because of that, isn't really the blueprint of success for TM. I'm all for campaigning for change and I think everyone (including TM players) should help him with that like they did in the past few weeks and in the long term it will be a lot more effective than these type of interviews. But campaigning for change and giving up on change are two different things though.
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I read your posts in this thread. You still think this is about him really wanting to leave and he should justOriginally posted by O-ZoNe View PostMaybe you should not "conclude" anything until you have read all the comments pertaining to my discussion about this one subject with regards to CQ and IFF.
As for the second point about average people's problems, I think you missed the forest for the tree on that one, and I will not bother to clarify further for you as a simple re-read will likely do just that
"rip the band-aid off". You still don't get that in a system like this when basic expectations are constantly unmet and promises are made just to be ignored days later, his only recourse when negotiations don't work is to take his case to the public and essentially shame the other side to live up to their responsibilities and do the right thing. This is basically how he got that Asadi clown to back off. He turned the meddling and interference into a PR problem for them.
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It cant be all about money, if he rly wants money he can go to any arab country, get paid double what he is getting paid in Iran (and he will be paid on time)Originally posted by O-ZoNe View PostWell now you know why he wants to leave, but as others have stated in this thread, IFF is holding him against his wishes due to his contractual obligations and financial penalties. We all heard the news that CQ lost close to million dollars recently so perhaps he really can't afford any penalties or fines at this stage. Of course, this is all speculation and we won't know until our next match who is going to be our coach.
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Well now you know why he wants to leave, but as others have stated in this thread, IFF is holding him against his wishes due to his contractual obligations and financial penalties. We all heard the news that CQ lost close to million dollars recently so perhaps he really can't afford any penalties or fines at this stage. Of course, this is all speculation and we won't know until our next match who is going to be our coach.Originally posted by pdot View PostFrom all the news sources and my interpretation CQ was going to step away from Team melli months ago. He planned to leave after the Sweden game. All of a sudden he wants these things that we all know IFF is unwilling to give up. It just seems like IFF is holding him against his wishes.
Also IFF has had interference on CQ since the beginning. It's never changed and he never could ask for it to change. He basically had to accept it as part of the job.
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From all the news sources and my interpretation CQ was going to step away from Team melli months ago. He planned to leave after the Sweden game. All of a sudden he wants these things that we all know IFF is unwilling to give up. It just seems like IFF is holding him against his wishes.Originally posted by O-ZoNe View PostThat may be true...but I am sure he didn't sign up for government interference by the guys at the ministry of sport...I am sure he expected promises to be kept and so forth. The likely truth lies somewhere in between Kaffasian's daily revolving percentages and CQ's press conferences...
Also IFF has had interference on CQ since the beginning. It's never changed and he never could ask for it to change. He basically had to accept it as part of the job.
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Maybe you should not "conclude" anything until you have read all the comments pertaining to my discussion about this one subject with regards to CQ and IFF.Originally posted by xerexes View PostWhen you try to equate this situation with average people's problems with their employers and wanting raises and time off, it's hard to conclude you're siding with him.
As for the second point about average people's problems, I think you missed the forest for the tree on that one, and I will not bother to clarify further for you as a simple re-read will likely do just that
That may be true...but I am sure he didn't sign up for government interference by the guys at the ministry of sport...I am sure he expected promises to be kept and so forth. The likely truth lies somewhere in between Kaffasian's daily revolving percentages and CQ's press conferences...Originally posted by pdot View PostCQ knows what he signed up for after signing the agreement with Iran after the worldcup. I don't understand what his plan is at this point.
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I don't get why someone would give a written resignation and afterwards come to meetings to decide why he should stay. It just makes me think he was held hostage after the Sweden match and he can't leave Iran. He wanted to resign weeks before the Chile and Sweden games. Why are we holding him against his will is very suspicious? I guess we will know in time.Originally posted by Martin-Reza View PostAs usual, he is trying to get the maximum resources in every aspect for Team Melli, but seems this time he won't get it and therefore knows it will be highly problematic but doesn't want to pay for IFF incompetence.
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CQ knows what he signed up for after signing the agreement with Iran after the worldcup. I don't understand what his plan is at this point.Originally posted by O-ZoNe View PostI am not happy with the way IFF and CQ have handled this...too many false promises, back and forth, and so on. You guys will give me crap, and yes maybe IFF is more to blame...but if CQ wants out, and wants to leave, then just do it. Rip it off like a band-aid, don't prolong this mess. CQ by now knows who he is dealing with...chances of either side changing is very unlikely.
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When you try to equate this situation with average people's problems with their employers and wanting raises and time off, it's hard to conclude you're siding with him.Originally posted by O-ZoNe View PostDude, maybe I should clarify, CQ's heart is not with TM as the situation currently stands. I am siding with CQ on this one...guess you have your boxing gloves blocking your view...always trying to pick a fight.
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Dude, maybe I should clarify, CQ's heart is not with TM as the situation currently stands. I am siding with CQ on this one...guess you have your boxing gloves blocking your view...always trying to pick a fight.Originally posted by xerexes View PostYes! Nothing says "I don't care about Team Melli" like being more concerned with funding and logistics for the national team than those "Iranians" who are in charge of the funding and logistics. Perfectly logical.
Is he asking for a raise and more time off or is he asking for funding for the team he's responsible for? Are these really the same to you?... For your analogy to work, this would be like hiring an architect but failing to pay the construction costs. If there's any problem here, it ain't with him.
And the second point was not about CQ, but rugs' assertion that you have to be in Iran to understand what CQ is going through
Again, more or less saying CQ is right on this issue...and IFF is trying to save face by saying we want him but he doesn't want us.
ps. Have a read of my disclaimer before you try to pick an argument next time...
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As usual, he is trying to get the maximum resources in every aspect for Team Melli, but seems this time he won't get it and therefore knows it will be highly problematic but doesn't want to pay for IFF incompetence.
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Yes! Nothing says "I don't care about Team Melli" like being more concerned with funding and logistics for the national team than those "Iranians" who are in charge of the funding and logistics. Perfectly logical.Originally posted by O-ZoNe View PostBasically, Kaffashain was telling the truth...CQ's heart is not with Iran or TM...but instead of working this out, Kaffashian will save his bacon by forcing CQ to abide by his contract. We are doomed
Is he asking for a raise and more time off or is he asking for funding for the team he's responsible for? Are these really the same to you?... For your analogy to work, this would be like hiring an architect but failing to pay the construction costs. If there's any problem here, it ain't with him.I hate to break it to you, but most people in the world feel this way about their employment and employer. I am sure the economic realities make it crappier in Iran, but I haven't heard very many people say "oh I can't use a pay raise" or "I need less time off"...around the water cooler if you aren't b*tching about your employer then you must be gossiping...
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