Ok, thats enough! I'm going to piss in the Punchbowl

[OFFSIDE_1]

Then I come across this little news bit and it made our game even more poignant and depressing.
شکست تلخ مارسی در مقابل نیس 10 نفره
مارسي در هفته 22 لوشامپيونه، فرصت پيشي گرفتن از ليون و پس گرفتن صدر جدول را با شکست 2-1 مقابل تيم نيس از دست داد.
Even more depressing is that some people think just because you lose a man, you automatically are stripped of the ability to win in normal time!!!!! For this to happen, you have to have self belief and a sound attacking strategy.
I'm not sure if we had these!

for every one example you post of a team that wins with 1 man down, we can give you 100 examples of the opposite happening. To expect a team to attack while being one man down for 85 minutes in such hot weather is unrealistic. Also you do realize that we came from behind, not once, but twice, so I don't know what point you are trying to make.
and by the way, this same Iranian team beat Korea while being down by 1 player. I think this example has been given to you for, um I don't know ... maybe 16 times.

[Rumez]

Another point to make:
No matter what we do now (pursuing a ban for Williams, posting insults on his Facebook, commiserating about it...) will not help our team.
What will help our team is making sure we do "all that we can" to prepare our players and the team for a stronger future!

[Rumez]

I like the OP's intention to bring our attention inward.
We Iranians tend to blame others for all the misfortunes we suffer.
Like moaning about IR regime and Arabs' involvement in some indirect way through an invasion 1380 years ago and the religion for example!
But it was an Iranian revolution by our own people anyway!

Yes, the ref made a bad call, but can we also argue that IFF sucked in conducting a professional league in the past 4 years and sucked at providing preparations for TM before these games?
And maybe those thing would've given us the slight edge we needed to get past Iraq despite the red card??
Is it not shameful that a war-torn Iraq with one third of its territory occupied by ISIS can manage more friendlies than us??

Aren't these points as relevant or more relevant than a bad call by a ref??
I think my points are way more important, because these were things that were in our control!
A ref's decision is not under our control and we can feel unfortunate to be at receiving end of it, but how can we justify years of negligence and mismanagement that resulted in an ill-prepared TM?

[hzv]

i dont know if anyone can be blamed for this loss. pouladi getting sent off destroyed us mentally however we still found the will and refused to lose unfortunately for us iraq was also mentally solid and no matter what they were not phased by it and the younis mahmood chip was telling of that. looking at the penalties we were mentally strong as well and were burying our penalties and it took a post and a relentless iraqi side to finally eliminate us.


the only thins that i have issues with is: 1-two yellows to pouladi was absurd! first yellow was liudicuris second yellow was curried poop. the iraqi goalie pushes pouladi and pouladi gets a second yellow for acting like he got hurt!? i dont thinkit was intentional either by the ref he looked as confused and regretful as anyone even maybe more than pouladi himself.

2-haghighi gave a very weak goal, over all am not very convinced by him he seems to be winning lots of applauds by embellishing his saves and is hiding for the most part behind the steel curtain that is iran's defense but when it comes down toit it seems like the good old haghighi from perspolise, zerto zert goal mikhoreh!

3-very stupid penalty given by pour aliganji, very clumsy and careless which is unfortunate because i thought he and ghafouri were the bright spots of this game and overall this asian cup for us.
iraq also got very lucky and bounces seemed to go their way, second goal was evident of that.

4- we lost because it is football and anything can happen, first and second goal for iraq could ve easily never happened, even the third goal pouraliganji can be in the same situation a hundred times and may never do such a tackle again but hey he did it. the second goal, that ball could ve bounced anywhere but it landed on mahmoud's head there is nothing that can be done there.

[babak_australia]

Re: Ok, thats enough! I'm going to piss in the Punchbowl

This post pissed me off bad. Ekbatan if this game was not the definition of gheyrat then you have no clue.

10 men for that long and we kept coming back. Players running themselves into the ground.

I couldn't have been more proud of the performance last night and the crowd as well. I have never ever been a part of something so amazing.

We just showed so much heart. No gheyrat you say. What a fucking joke of a comment. Learn the definition of it.

[Bi-honar]

We scored two goals in extra-time, so to say we have no attacking-plan is ridiculous. Do you know extra-time has only 30 minutes right? In less than one half combined we alone scored 2 goals.

I don't think that shows we had an attacking plan Kiarash jaan, so much as having attacking capabilities. We had a total of 4 shots on target in 120 minutes of play and scored 3 of them!

The main blame for this game goes to the ref, but CQ definitely made a lot of tactical errors in this game, the worst one being the Amiri/JB subs IMHO and then choosing both Ehsan (who had been having serious concentration problems after the 1st game) and Amiri (with his misses from 6 yards out against Iraq in the friendly and 2 caps before this game) to take the penalties!

It was one thing to protect the lead until Iraq scored (although still somewhat questionable), but not to push forward after the tie in order to finish the game in 90 minutes, when you're down a man was a very bad decision.

He already pulled Shojaei out in minute 45 (the only guy who draws lots of fouls and yellow cards by running at opponent's players), reducing our offensive capabilities and the chance of getting the much needed set plays.

As if that wasn't bad enough, he actually put in JB instead of Gucci right after the Iraq goal in the 63rd minute, meaning we were playing without a striker for 21 minutes in a game we should have tried to finish off in 90 minutes. That wasn't just a bad tactical decision, it was insane IMO.

And in regard to being a man down for 45 minutes, each player had to cover only an extra 600 meters! It shouldn't have been the end of the world for the boys physically, although CQ clearly lost it after that call mentally and tactically. It was much easier for the boys to score 1 goal in the 2nd half than to score 2 after 90 minutes.

[K. Nader]

Now, on to the game and a peculiar issue that has been nagging me, especially after a second viewing of the game.

After Pouladi got his marching orders, we got hit exactly on our let side. Aside from the horrible angle of Haghighi who by any account should not have allowed that ball in, Hajsafi's feeble tackle also didn't help. But that's besides my point. The point is our left flank got exposed after the red card.

Any coach would first try to mend this zone, especially since we were already ahead. So the priority was our left back.
CQ's remedy was to bring Hajsafi back. Not the worst decision as he's been tried at LB before..... But also record shows he hasn't been that successful in DEFENDING.
And having an experienced defender, Sadeghi, at hand may have been a better option. Especially when you fall a man short IN DEFENSE, a little experience would go a long way in bringing back some control and sense to a stressful situation.
But anyway, at the time Hajsafi option was the most ready solution.


By second goal, which came, again from the left flank and again, Hajsafi's poor defending/marking should have raised the alarm bells ... in even amateurish coaches, let alone supposed int'lly renowned ones.
But still no change and CQ fails to react to this alarm a second time.


His ignorance of the issue became moot by the third goal ... that, surprise, surprise, came off our left flank .... AGAIN!
You'd expect any coach to notice something wrong, even if he missed it the first time. The second time makes it hard to forgive. But the third? That's just downright pathetic.


So all the fans ought to know what we're insisting on. Certainly not this all knowing, immensely capable and highly expert coach that some paint him out to be.

CQ made the right calls. That same Hajsafi you refer to played the entire 2011 Asian Cup as our starting LB and performed excellently in the position. This was shown once again in the friendly in Tehran against South Korea where Hajsafi thwarted many of the Korean attacks and even made a clearance on the goal line.

Almost shortly after the 2nd half began, CQ brought on Amiri to replace Hajsafi on the LW while Hajsafi takes on the LB role. This way, Hajsafi and Amiri could complement each other on the left similar to Dejagah and Ghafouri on the right. Not only is Sadeghi not a LB, his presence in the position would kill any chance of serious attacks from the left side since it would be Hajsafi alone. If that was to be the case, you'd be complaining about why Sadeghi was played and why Hajsafi wasn't moved back.

As for the 2nd goal (which came in overtime), all our changes were already made. What more was CQ to do? Make Ghoochannejhad the LB?

[Doctor DOOM]

Then I come across this little news bit and it made our game even more poignant and depressing.


شکست تلخ مارسی در مقابل نیس 10 نفره


مارسي در هفته 22 لوشامپيونه، فرصت پيشي گرفتن از ليون و پس گرفتن صدر جدول را با شکست 2-1 مقابل تيم نيس از دست داد.




Even more depressing is that some people think just because you lose a man, you automatically are stripped of the ability to win in normal time!!!!! For this to happen, you have to have self belief and a sound attacking strategy.
I'm not sure if we had these!

[Doctor DOOM]

Now, on to the game and a peculiar issue that has been nagging me, especially after a second viewing of the game.

After Pouladi got his marching orders, we got hit exactly on our let side. Aside from the horrible angle of Haghighi who by any account should not have allowed that ball in, Hajsafi's feeble tackle also didn't help. But that's besides my point. The point is our left flank got exposed after the red card.

Any coach would first try to mend this zone, especially since we were already ahead. So the priority was our left back.
CQ's remedy was to bring Hajsafi back. Not the worst decision as he's been tried at LB before..... But also record shows he hasn't been that successful in DEFENDING.
And having an experienced defender, Sadeghi, at hand may have been a better option. Especially when you fall a man short IN DEFENSE, a little experience would go a long way in bringing back some control and sense to a stressful situation.
But anyway, at the time Hajsafi option was the most ready solution.


By second goal, which came, again from the left flank and again, Hajsafi's poor defending/marking should have raised the alarm bells ... in even amateurish coaches, let alone supposed int'lly renowned ones.
But still no change and CQ fails to react to this alarm a second time.


His ignorance of the issue became moot by the third goal ... that, surprise, surprise, came off our left flank .... AGAIN!
You'd expect any coach to notice something wrong, even if he missed it the first time. The second time makes it hard to forgive. But the third? That's just downright pathetic.


So all the fans ought to know what we're insisting on. Certainly not this all knowing, immensely capable and highly expert coach that some paint him out to be.

[DireStraits]

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1. Pooladi for flopping around like a little bitch and earning his second yellow, (red)

I thought about that. The Iraqi keeper push him and if he pushed back it would end in a fight. So he thought he falls pretend he is badly beaten. These things are normal in todays football. Although he took long time to stand up I can't blame him. The ref should be blamed because he does not have a system in his card giving specially he does not remember he has given a card. He killed the game.

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2. Pouraliganji for that tackle in the box! Messl-e shottor! I mean come on guy! WTF are you doing!?!? are you trying to give away a PK?

You are right but I think it was the result of presure and stress. CQ should have added a defender instead of poladi. The other two goals were all scored from the left
Haghighi's reactions was no good in Iraq's first and second goal. I thought Iraqis were more prepared than us in PK.
AFC should not allow injustis. Arabs don't appreciate sportly manners as much we do. Every Iraqi should see Iran was the better team

[IranFootball10]

This post really bothers me.
So...according to you we have a vulnerable defense, and some Spanish or German coach will fix that overnight by playing some attacking football? What exactly makes a coach from Spain or Germany to be precise suited to "fix" our football style and tactics? So if I am correct, we need just a coach who is Spanish and German, and all of our problems will be fixed. Is this how we really think?
We scored two goals in extra-time, so to say we have no attacking-plan is ridiculous. Do you know extra-time has only 30 minutes right? In less than one half combined we alone scored 2 goals.
Overall we scored 7 goals in 4 games which makes an average of 1.75 each game. This means we narely scored 2 goals throughout all games. So much for being a super defensive team.
Even our main rivals (Koreans) are praising our performance and would rather have us in the semi's simply because we were the better team. I have never seen so many glory hunters on pfdc in my life, like K Nader said in these times you actually start realizing who are real fans and who are not.

Haha aziz jan Spain or Germany was just an example, I'm saying that we need a coach who plans tactics for both attacking and defensive phases of the game. Those 2 countries have been performing the best, playing the best football (at the international and club level) while also defending well and getting good results, why not learn from the best? Why are you so sensitive about Spain or Germany? And don't make your own assumptions from my words, of course all of our problems will not be solved only by bringing a new coach...I don't know if you are that naive to assume such a thing. But having a good coach is a step in the right direction.

Anyway, the whole point is that this game is not just about defending for your dear life and then hope for the best in attack. Which leads me to my next point about you saying we scored 2 goals in extra time. First of all, we also conceded 2 goals in extra time so I guess our defensive strategies are not as good as it seems. Also, yes we indeed scored 2 goals but it was not based on previous planning or any specific tactic, which the whole point of my post. It was off 2 set pieces, luckily Pouraligangi headed the first one in and luckily Gucci was there to head in the rebound for the second goal in extra time. If the rebound had not fell kindly for Gucci, we wouldn't even talk about the penalties right now. Just because we scored 3 goals today or 7 goals in total, that does not mean specifically that we have an attacking plan. Also, look at the quality of our opponents, how many goals would we scored against Japan, South Korea, Australia, etc?? We would be lucky to score once!

I have a question for you, since our last 3 critical WCQ matches until now, which one of our goals scored has been on tactics and planning in attack, and which goals have been based on coincidence, "etafagh", luck, etc??

Finally, you have no right to make any accusations. I have the right to my own opinion as do you, there's no need for personal attacks. I stated my opinion when we won the group, back when we went to the world cup and always when we were "on top" and when many members here were blinded by the results and have now gotten a wake up call. You can have your own definition of real and fake fans and glory hunters. For me a real fan is one who sees the team's weaknesses even during successes, not just during defeats!

[alaph]

I didn't cry this time, but I really wanted to. That feeling you get in your stomach when we get scored on is just indescribable

[ameri]

This post really bothers me.

So...according to you we have a vulnerable defense, and some Spanish or German coach will fix that overnight by playing some attacking football? What exactly makes a coach from Spain or Germany to be precise suited to "fix" our football style and tactics? So if I am correct, we need just a coach who is Spanish and German, and all of our problems will be fixed. Is this how we really think?

We scored two goals in extra-time, so to say we have no attacking-plan is ridiculous. Do you know extra-time has only 30 minutes right? In less than one half combined we alone scored 2 goals.

Overall we scored 7 goals in 4 games which makes an average of 1.75 each game. This means we narely scored 2 goals throughout all games. So much for being a super defensive team.

Even our main rivals (Koreans) are praising our performance and would rather have us in the semi's simply because we were the better team. I have never seen so many glory hunters on pfdc in my life, like K Nader said in these times you actually start realizing who are real fans and who are not.

Listen to this guy. He knows what he is saying! I agree with you 110%

[Kiarash]

Ok, thats enough! I'm going to piss in the Punchbowl

Ok so there's so many random and emotional threads opened after the match, I guess this one is at least trying to make sense of things, so I'll post my opinion here.

About the goals we conceded, all 3 of them were terrible mistakes. The first being Haghighi mixing up with Pouraligangi, then conceding a pass into the goal from such a tight angle. Second was weak defending at the back post, something we have had problems with for ages, yet even CQ the defensive mastermind according to people here could not address. And finally a childish and obvious penalty conceded in the end.

Obviously both yellows leading to Pouladi's sending off were extremely harsh and was just bad refereeing. However, after the red card, CQ's tactic were completely wrong. We were playing relatively better in the first half than our previous 3 matches, and despite this, we decided to sit back and defend for the next 45 minutes, hoping to hold on to the 1-0 lead. If we were playing Japan or South Korea, it would have been understandable since those higher caliber teams would have been able to make use of their numerical advantage. But against Iraq, it was a complete mistake to concede possession and just pile the pressure on. Iraq did not stand a chance even against our 10 men if we did not allow them to have so much of the ball when our players were bound to make a mistake. So much for everyone here praising CQ's defensive discipline implemented in TM, the one time we needed it to work, he desperately failed. Had we played like the first half albeit with more caution, I'm sure Benjamin Williams would've eventually called a penalty for us to make up (as refs often do) and we would have probably cruised to a 2-0 win.

Finally, after conceding, again it showed that we have NO plan when in attack and when we are in need of a goal, even if we were with 10 men. At that point we were pretty much playing for penalties.

And in penalties, the choice of penalty takers was a curious one. Usually the best taker takes the first or last one (out of the first 5); the idea being to give morale to the team to start the penalties well or to have a calm head to finish the game off. Why Hajsafi took the first one and Nekounam took the 3rd one, I have no idea. Also, why Gucci did not step up to take one and putting the inexperienced Amiri under pressure is another question that remains to be unanswered. Finally, having center backs Pouraligangi and Hosseini take penalties was a risk, the fortunately paid off but could have ended terribly.

All in all, yes the refereeing was horrendous in the red card but in the end result, we only have ourselves to blame for, so instead of all this AFC, Arabs, Australian ref nonsense, I hope we can look to the future with a new president of IFF who can build a good team for WCQ and bring in a proper coach from Spain or Germany who is willing to trust in the abilities of our players to play a good style of football, with planning and tactics for both the defensive and attacking aspect of the game.

This post really bothers me.

So...according to you we have a vulnerable defense, and some Spanish or German coach will fix that overnight by playing some attacking football? What exactly makes a coach from Spain or Germany to be precise suited to "fix" our football style and tactics? So if I am correct, we need just a coach who is Spanish and German, and all of our problems will be fixed. Is this how we really think?

We scored two goals in extra-time, so to say we have no attacking-plan is ridiculous. Do you know extra-time has only 30 minutes right? In less than one half combined we alone scored 2 goals.

Overall we scored 7 goals in 4 games which makes an average of 1.75 each game. This means we narely scored 2 goals throughout all games. So much for being a super defensive team.

Even our main rivals (Koreans) are praising our performance and would rather have us in the semi's simply because we were the better team. I have never seen so many glory hunters on pfdc in my life, like K Nader said in these times you actually start realizing who are real fans and who are not.

[ameri]

Since this seems to be the 'emotional thread', guys I'm sorry, I must do this:
Baba ASHKAM dar omad, very few things in the world can make me cry, TM is one of them!! I wouldn't cry if I didnt care! I wouldn't sit bend over for an hour crying if I didnt care! Akhe boghzam gerefte bud, chera ma?! Delam faghat YEK shadi mikhast in dafeh, ta hala intor gerye nakardam! I/we follow these boys EVERY DAY, we sit in front of our pc's and watch their pics, stream these matches, watch videos, wake up at messed up times in morning to see them play, to bee brought to tears of sadness, which I had hoped would be tears of joy in the final. I guess this is the downside of loving something from the bottom of your heart with passion, breathing for a team, following news and staying updated on every move they make. az daste in eshge vatan!
Ask ANYONE I know, they will tell you I ALWAYS know when the next TM fixture is, and our previous ressults, all matches and ressults from WCQ and games / asian shit cups since I started loving this team passionately. They will tell you I can name our players and staff at any time. I'm not trying to show off as I know you all can do the same, but where I live, being Iranian, and having this passion is so rare its unbelieveable.
Mikham yek rooz ba in bacheha SHAD beshim, az gerye khasteh shodam digeh..

I want to hug you right now bro... couldn't agree more or say it myself any better.
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