BREAKING: Iraq Doping Scandal

[teammelli8080]

iran tv's clip about the situation: http://video.varzesh3.com/internatio...1%D8%A7%D9%86/

[teammelli8080]

interview w iran's head of anti-doping:
video.varzesh3.com/international/afc-asian-cup/گفتگو-با-رئیس-کمیته-ضد-دوپینگ-درباره-را/

[Taz]

One wonders if it would be a good thing to develop #AsianCupJustice to something like #IranNuclearTalks and keep the activism up for another cause for the people of Iran. Talk of leaving AFC is silly.

[Kasra.]

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[Bi-honar]

Okay guys, I went through the last 40 pages, just as a S&M exercise to go through the same TERRIBLE roller-coaster ride and pain you all went through!

Here are some posts that stuck out and some further comments on this issue...

fuck AFC! can we now start a petition to leave this fucked up place

Hastam! It would be an honor to fight along side you for a good cause my friend, so count me in. We may have lost the battle, but we haven't lost the war! And we definitely beat this to death yesterday on Twitter!

The way I understand it, AFC argues without player having been informed and b sample taken no actions could be taken. Also they say FIFA had further questions on the doping case but Iran never responded.
That sounds extremely ridiculous. FIFA just waiting months whilst knowing a positively tested player is out there playing in several competitions, because of questions on a positive a sample?
They cannot be serious.
And b sample is not taken unless a player insists on it. So they all, FIFA, AFC and Iraq FA, sat around doing nothing against the doping, even when notified again by Iran ahead of the game.
I am sure if Iran hires the right attorneys and pursues this further, they'll win and Iraq will later be disqualified.
Doesn't help us much but maybe getting ranked joint third later, but I think should Iraq accidently win tomorrow, Australia - UAE is actually already the final of the competition.

You are absolutely correct about the "B" sample Martin jaan. Contrary to the BS Scott McIntyre put out, the "B" sample does NOT come from a new test specimen (i.e. a second urine/blood test on the player). It's simply a second sample collected from the same test specimen, put through the exact same procedure to insure something wasn't mixed in the lab and that the "A" sample wasn't cross-contaminated.

For those reasons, the chance of getting a different result from the "B" sample are virtually zero, but because of the implications of the results on a player's reputation and career, as a matter of courtesy and procedure the player is provided with an opportunity to waive or request a 2nd test.

Now, in all fairness this was a unique situation in there are some loopholes in the wording of FIFA's doping regulations. For example, they do mention that the Iranian DU (Doping Unit) was supposed to notify either his team or the Iraqi FA in addition to various members of FIFA once they completed their investigation on the results of the "A" sample. The player was also supposed to be notified simultaneously (this is all covered in article 52.2). This was obviously not done by the Iranian DU. There are also regulations that the player is responsible to have his whereabouts on file at all times ( we don't know if this was done).

In another section though (article 52.5) it says the if FIFA receives a notice from "Major Even Organization" (i.e. AFC in this case) before one of its international events (i.e. Iran-Iraq game) and the results of the "A" sample were Atypical rather than Adverse, it's FIFA who should immediately notify the player and then the player has 12 hours to request the completion of the "B" sample. I think this is the procedure IFF is asking for and obviously this was NOT done by FIFA.

On that note, there are 2 questions here, one of legality and another of fairness - sometimes these two can be mutually exclusive and this is why there is are courts and arbitrators to make decisions in such cases.

Having said that, none of this negates the fact that AAZ had a positive sample, skipped Iran knowing full well that he would test positive and not only avoided punishment then, but has avoided punishment for the Iran-Iraq game and worse yet, going on without receiving any punishment now. This part is the real travesty here, regardless of procedural issues and who was supposed to do what - clearly someone needs to do something!

^agha Bi-honar, damet garm for your hard work! You and the other guys killed it on the twitter and FB so my hat off to you and others here on PFDC who worked relentlessly to spread this message. Me and you have been at odds regarding other matters and have exchanged some unpleasant words, sorry about that, but in matters regarding TM, we are completely united.

Chakeram and no worries on the 2nd issue, I never take things personally and hope that you didn't either. As I always say, we have to be able to discuss issues and reach a middle ground on them, because that's the only way to be united. And as the old saying goes, particularly against evil governments and politicians, united we stand divided we fall.

[Martin-Reza]

Will be quite interesting to see if their oh so eligible player will play another minute in the competition. I guess surprisingly not.

[O-ZoNe]

I just woke up and see they ruled in favour of Iraq,
I dont really want to go through 50 pages in this thread
could somebody just tell me what was their reason??

As far as I know, no specific reason was provided as per: http://www.persianfootball.com/news/...jected-by-afc/

[persiangodfather]

I just woke up and see they ruled in favour of Iraq,
I dont really want to go through 50 pages in this thread
could somebody just tell me what was their reason??

[O-ZoNe]

Guys also please get UEFA out of your heads...it just doesn't make sense for anyone involved. Look at UEFA's main sponsors, like Carlsberg and Heineken, how are they going to feel about not being able to run TV spots and ads in Iran for matches. They partly cater to males and females, in Iran females can't go to the stadium. What is UEFA to do with traveling and visiting fans, particularly female ones? Also, besides the obvious issue of Iran v. Israel (which if in Uefa will eventually happen if not at least 1 or 2 times a year) how will other countries feel about traveling to Iran...it just doesn't make sense right now for all of this to happen. We are stuck within AFC but we can certainly carve out our own niche federation like that of the proposed Central Asian one to start diminishing the role of Arab football has on us...of course on the main continental piece (Asian Cup) we will still have to compete with their nonsense.

[arasradio]

This is ridiculous, people genuinely think there is some kind of conspiracy in this to avoid Iran winning? LOL! Did the AFC make us miss our penalty as well? Or was it the "dirty arabs'" fault as well?

People, get over yourself and move on! We lost on PENALTIES! It could have gone either way..there is no conspiracy, it just wasn't meant to be this time.

As an Iranian, I am actually ashamed to see fellow Iranians bashing everything and everyone on forums and facebook, twitter and refusing to accept that we lost in a football match! I saw some girl posting on twitter a pic saying we may have lost but look at our country and look at yours (pictures of an Iraq in dismay from the war). This is embarrassing and uncivilized.

Shame on you!

EH NAH BABA?

We were waiting for your expert opinion on the importance of winning on penalty shoot out!!!

Tell The Australian reporters that too... Tell them to move on and do not criticize their own referee.... You don't get it ... Do you?

Of course, there is no conspiracy. There is not a single incident that conspire anything here LOL ... A team not losing a single match in the tournament during the 90 minutes since 1996 and the best title it's got is a 3rd in Asia. Playing an ineligible player, 1 minute in Olympic qualification against Iraq, and while we won the match, they disqualified us and many more incidents ... Yes you are damn right . There is no conspiracy and we shall continued to get it in our .... Quit it ...Sometimes I wonder how ... some people are (Fill the blanks the way you want compadre).

[hzv]

just like i thought.the guy was not suspended at all. if he was not suspended then why play with the emotions of 80 million? even an amateur like me knows if he was not suspended then you dont have a case makes me wonder who these people are that our running our football and country. fake phd degrees that dont know nothing about the simplest things.

[rjafari]

Another thing I noticed, barely any journalist knows anything about the correct proceeedings in case of doping. They were all asking the same questions as random football fans.
AFC could tell them they conducted Banana split doping test on b sample and everything is awesome and they'd buy it.

I noticed that too. that the doping proceedings are very difficult to follow and that if a player does get caught doping it seems extremely difficult to follow up/find out etc.

[BehnamT]

i have one question. apparently test A was positive, then FIFA wrote to IFF and fifa claims that they sent a letter to IFF and as usual IFF did not pay attention ( or didnt know what was written in the letter ). so isn't it FIFA to also send a letter to AFC? should not they send a letter to Iraq federation since dude left tractor sazi club? isnt it the responsibility of FIFA/ AFC to find out where the hell the player was so they would finalize the test?
if that was the case why did it take so long to make the decision today??? if AFC did not receive ANYTHING then they would say it immediately so. something is fishy in this guys. dont let it go easy . i know it is too late for this time, but they will know they can not F with us again in the future. ( lol ye right! )
but honestly there is something going on!

[Dejagah#21]

Sorry guys I aborted mission on this thread last night unannounced... 16 hours straight and the wife coming to get me 10 times and telling her the decision was coming in 15 minutes "be right there" every time, just got a bit too much after all that - there's only one thing more important than TM and that's family.
At any rate, I haven't gone through the last 40 pages of the thread since around 1:30 a.m. EST, but read the news this morning and I must say even if the decision was not 100% surprising, the manner in which they announced it really was. It's as if Iran did not have a case at all which begs the questions, why did it take so long to reach a decision and why would they be allowed to appeal it?!
All in all, I don't think we'll ever get anywhere in this confederation with its crappy policies, major corruption, TERRIBLE champions league, timing of the competitions, blah blah blah. And the worst part being that no attempt has been or is being made, or will ever be made. AFC as a whole is the perfect definition of "aan kas keh nadanad keh nadanad keh nadanad...".
Any who, it was GREAT working with you all toward a common cause and getting excited about something and doing something. No AFC decision is ever going to take that away from us and I'm very proud to be surrounded by so many passionate, dedicated and hard working TM fans and look forward to stirring up some poopoo with you guys real soon. GREAT work everyone.

^agha Bi-honar, damet garm for your hard work! You and the other guys killed it on the twitter and FB so my hat off to you and others here on PFDC who worked relentlessly to spread this message. Me and you have been at odds regarding other matters and have exchanged some unpleasant words, sorry about that, but in matters regarding TM, we are completely united.

From now on you should be called Ba-honar

Oh btw, ridam ro kalleye AFC officials

[O-ZoNe]

I also left unanounced as it was getting late. I believe we will never cut away from AFC...and it isn't AFC that is our problem but the arab pull and influence. We need to press forward with Central Asian Confed that includes Uzbekistan. We need to stop supporting regional rivals and their control over AFC. Players should think of this before signing in Arab leagues...if we get a similar tournament for Central Asia as the WAFF countries have including the Persian Gulf cup that Iran is not invited to, it will create new rivalries for us and strengthen some of our other rergional rivals and diminish arab footballing strength. It all starts on the pitch before it goes to the front offices.

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