Does Shojaei belong to TM, and why?

[rugs]

When the shojaei fan boys run out of arguments they label the critics haters and point out "the way" is being criticized.

You don't like it? You better never attend a game in Azadi lol.

We as fans have the god given right to answer emotionally and there is absolutely no hate. It is his performance which I hate. Have you ever been to a stadium? You sit here and try to act uber correct and mature. In azadi they abuse him,his mother and sister into oblivion.

Yes he is ashghal.....garbage. As a footballer who underperforms constantly. Not as person. That's football.

He definitely doesn't belong to TM anymore.
I desperately hope that this game opened CQs eyes on him finally.

Everyone also chants religious slogans.

Everyone chants against everyone.

It's Azadi, you have people who just want to chant and yell insults.

Have the stadium chants "ya ali madad" the other half answers back "#$@ nanat".

It's a free for all of hate and insults.

[Doctor DOOM]

Seriously dude?! He has played 50+ games for TM and this is an example of his greatness, that he received an easy 8 yard pass and gave an even easier 4 yard pass to someone who then assisted the goal?!!!

You are telling me that you (as a recreational player) can't receive an easy 8 yard pass and give an even easier 4 yard pass 9 our of 10 times?!

Mate. Don't dis the scant few instances he has actually done something in the past three years.
You discount one, they'll be left with perhaps 4 or 5 !! That would be a dire situation for anyone to be in.

Unfortunately even these 4 yard passes are something of a novelty in his recent performances. So it should not be a surprise to see such magnificent brilliance brought up.

[Camran khan]

And you guys say he is slow. Which slow player makes goals like these? Which slow player with terrible movement, vision and ball control makes such beauties? Also, which slow player dribbles through the entire midfield against Argentina? Damn, he must be super slow to accomplish something like that..running from all over Iran's own penalty box near to Argentina's one. So much for Masoud Shojaei being a ''slow'' player.

You make the most ridiculous arguments. I am actually one of the people who believe Masoud can be very useful as a sub, but in any of the videos you posted, he might have done some good plays, but you counter the arguments that he is slow with these videos, did you see him be speedy in any of the videos? Use this videos as proof that he is good at curving the ball, good at dribbling, but speed? Come on.. Except for running to the judge to complain about his decision, where did he show any speed? Yet, you and your buddies call Khosro slow, a player who's top speed was the third fastest in our team. Argue in a lot of ways for Masoud, but make reasonable arguments, and use reasonable proof to back them up.

[KeonKish]

You guys should also watch our crucial away game against Qatar during WCQ. He got us more than a handful of freekicks and delivered them all beautifully as well. I agree that his consistency is off and most likely shouldnt be started but to claim that he lacks quality as a player is a very silly statement.

[Camran khan]

You guys should also watch our crucial away game against Qatar during WCQ. He got us more than a handful of freekicks and delivered them all beautifully as well. I agree that his consistency is off and most likely shouldnt be started but to claim that he lacks quality as a player is a very silly statement.

He did, but he also screwed up a lot of times for us that game. Like when he was too slow to shoot the ball when he was free which led to the Qataris shooting it away, and when he fouled the Qatari player in our penalty box, we were very lucky to not have a penalty called against us.

Shojaei could be 10 times the player he is, if he came in late in a game, where he barely had the time to become so emotionally upset, where the opponents were to tired to put too much pressure on him, where he could dictate the game, instead of letting his opponents decide for him what to do.

And btw, from years of experience in PFDC, I've already learnt who's opinion is worth paying attention to and who's not. People in this forum overall need to learn to be more objective, and try to use their brain instead of following others as sheep (no, I'm not talking about listening to CQ, but rather other members).
We have a member here who claims one player sucks at one thing due to one mistake, and the rest of people here preach that sh!t like emam zaman showed up himself and told them. These are the same kind of people, who thought anyone expecting Davari not to start in the world cup, were idiots, anyone expecting that we had better defenders in IPL than Beitashour, were wrong, the same kind of people who believe anyone in any lower level division in Europe is automatically better than anyone in the IPL and should immediatelly be called up to TM. But it seems so far that those people have been wrong about a lot of things. Point is, if a player does something good, acknowledge it, if he does something bad over and over again, criticize it, don't be a blind sheep and just follow the herd. If people behave the same way in reality, I feel sorry for them, this kind of behavior will get you nowhere.

[Doctor DOOM]

@ rugs
so what does that make you people who scream and shout in support, and scrounge around to find one moment, one pass, one dribble, and continue to tout the handful of moments to justify his presence? Not to mention underlining your need for a faghih to think for you and dictate.

[Bi-honar]

He did, but he also screwed up a lot of times for us that game. Like when he was too slow to shoot the ball when he was free which led to the Qataris shooting it away, and when he fouled the Qatari player in our penalty box, we were very lucky to not have a penalty called against us.

Took the words right out of my mouth bro

[Bi-honar]

I'd assume CQ finally got that clue last game but doubt it ..!

Wouldn't it be funny if CQ finally decides to bench or drop Shojaei? What would all the people who say CQ knows best argue then?!

All I know is that after the Korea game being the final nail in Shojai's coffin, there's no way I would start Shojaei over the Hajsafi, Dejagah and JB attacking trio. And there's no way I would have Azmoun or Karim or even Soroosh sitting on the bench while Shjaei's on the field.

[Darloc]

Wouldn't it be funny if CQ finally decides to bench or drop Shojaei? What would all the people who say CQ knows best argue then?!

If CQ drops him they would agree with it, because to them CQ is god.

[OFFSIDE_1]

I think the author got the games mixed up. In the 2nd game against Lebanon (4-0) not only did Shojaei not have a single assist, he was not involved in a single goal in the slightest way and screwed up a perfect lay off and goal scoring chance from 8 yards out completely missing the net.
But even in the 5-0 game, Shojaei had one single assist. No wonder you guys are such avid fans - if all these imaginary goals and assists had actually happened, we'd all be avid fans!

Shojaei corner for goal at 0.20
Shojaei penalty at 2.59
Shojaei assist at 4.09

Iran 5 - Lebanon 0
Shojaei assist at 1.05
Shojaei assist at 4.43
Shojaei assist at 6.09

I believe there was one more assist in that game for Shojaei, and I will find it for you. Still believe they are imaginary ?

[Z Joon]

Wouldn't it be funny if CQ finally decides to bench or drop Shojaei? What would all the people who say CQ knows best argue then?!

Well considering people here change opinions every week, if this happens you can be sure the "Shojaei support club" will be quickly forgotten and every Shojaei fanboys will talk about how right CQ is and how bad Masoud is.

[Bi-honar]

Shojaei corner for goal at 0.20
Shojaei penalty at 2.59
Shojaei assist at 4.09

That's the game in Beirut bro and I'm not denying that was one of his rare good games - not exactly against a football superpower, but nonetheless a good performance. He also had a decent game against Argentina. That's the only two good games I remember from him under CQ and I don't consider that an overall acceptable record considering how many games he has played.

Iran 5 - Lebanon 0
Shojaei assist at 1.05
Shojaei assist at 4.43
Shojaei assist at 6.09

Yes, he had a nice play and gave an assist on that last goal and that's the one I mentioned. Other than that, the 2nd instance you mentioned is not a Shojaei assist - that was Ashkan's cross. And you are counting a pass to Dejagah after which he had to try and dribble past a player and was brought down in the process and got a penalty an assist?!

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But this is good, so far we can all agree that he has had one goal and 4 assists since 2011 (all against superpowers Kuwait and Lebanon if I may add ). That's out of what 24 games?

Can you name me one other midfielder in the whole history of TM (doesn't even have to be an attacking midfielder) who is or was a "regular" and had such a poor record - less than a goal every 20 games and an assist every 5 games?! Just one.

[Camran khan]

I am very surprised that people use his games vs Lebanon as an argument to why he is good, since like 90% of his critics admit that he ca be very good, but he needs time and space, which is what Lebanon gives him plenty of. He will not have that kind of time and space vs Japan, South Korea and Australia, which is why he should be a sub.

Other than that, the 2nd instance you mentioned is not a Shojaei assist - that was Ashkan's cross. And you are counting a pass to Dejagah after which he had to try and dribble past a player and was brought down in the process and got a penalty an assist?!

I also highly doubt Masoud would start if Jabbari hadn't left TM, and even Jabbari IMO was not a very good playmaker, average at best.

[OFFSIDE_1]

I am very surprised that people use his games vs Lebanon as an argument to why he is good, since like 90% of his critics admit that he ca be very good, but he needs time and space, which is what Lebanon gives him plenty of. He will not have that kind of time and space vs Japan, South Korea and Australia, which is why he should be a sub.


I also highly doubt Masoud would start if Jabbari hadn't left TM, and even Jabbari IMO was not a very good playmaker, average at best.

no one is claiming the Lebanon games should be used to measure his performance. It was incorrectly mentioned that he had 0 assist in 1 game and 1 assist in the other. I just pointed out that their stats were wrong

[saadat_abad]

I am very surprised that people use his games vs Lebanon as an argument to why he is good, since like 90% of his critics admit that he ca be very good, but he needs time and space, which is what Lebanon gives him plenty of. He will not have that kind of time and space vs Japan, South Korea and Australia, which is why he should be a sub.


I also highly doubt Masoud would start if Jabbari hadn't left TM, and even Jabbari IMO was not a very good playmaker, average at best.

agree on the first part where he should come off the bench against japan and Australia, but he should start against the arab teams because they give him the space that he needs so he can play like his old self.

on to your second post. i do not agree because when jabbari was starting at the CAM role , masoud was starting at LM so that is wrong.