GN and thuggery?

[PersianLegion]

Bunker ball or parking the bus, i.e. all out defense, is the way Arab teams always play against us at home, so I don't get this idea that they might decide to start using it now. And that's not what we do. Our tactic is centered on letting the opponent pass the ball in their own half and then dispossessing them with pressure and catching them offguard with quick vertical passes. This is not all out defense. Stats showed that in those first round games we had the advantage when it came to possession in the final third. We also got more shots on goal and corners than those Arabs teams some here think we "bunkered" against.
We also did have a backup for Pooladi. It was Hajsafi who had actually been our starting LB in the previous AC. He was our LB when we beat Iraq 2-1 in that cup.
I have no problem with constructive criticism. But I do have a problem with simplistic and misplaced ones.

Take a look at WCQ Iran-Qatar in Tehran to know what I am saying. CQ uses defensive style which reduces the attacking force. While we are playing against a stronger team like Argentina, or tough Asians like Korea, Japan, Aussies, it works but it is not necessary against Qatar or alike. If they also bunker then there is no catching them off guard. It only helps when they need to win so they have to open up. That is rather simplistic explanation of the situation other than twisting it around to make it look retarded.

[xerexes]

I agree with you on number 1,3, and 4 but not 2.
Your explanation does not cover for CQ's error that didn't have a back up LB for Pooladi. He had 3 RB at his disposal but no LB. Hajsafi could not cover the space and Amiri didn't help either. After Pooladi was out there was a big hole in our defensive wall which was used by Iraqis very easily the same problem we had with Bosnia in another situation.
CQ style is not fit for playing against weak teams like Iraq or other 2nd tier Asian teams. If you support this style like Greece you better watch Greece matches prior to last world cup. Bosnia smashed them 3-1 despite their parking bus method. It only works when our opponent team does not expect or have not been trained against such methods, and when it needs to open up for more attacking style it shows the flaws all over the places. It is only the matter of time until top flight Asian teams such as Korea, Japan, and Australia to find their way to our goal and then the team falls apart.
We also did have a backup for Pooladi. It was Hajsafi who had been our starting LB in the previous AC.
Even the weak teams such as Qatar can mimic this style and draw with us in Tehran. Then both teams go bunker and it will be a boring match to watch. The bottom line is 2nd tier Asian teams can take advantage from this style and possibly taking easy 1 point from our team each time they play against us.
I still like CQ because he stood up against IFF corruptions and didn't chicken out. He brought some prosperous influences in our football management and burned some mafioso asses! He stood against band bazi in national team and that is why many former and current national players like him to stay and are guarding him against criticism but we need to be open to constructive critics and not to blind-fully accept all CQs actions.

Bunker ball or parking the bus, i.e. all out defense, is the way Arab teams always play against us at home, so I don't get this idea that they might decide to start using it now. And that's not what we do. Our tactic is centered on letting the opponent pass the ball in their own half and then dispossessing them with pressure and catching them offguard with quick vertical passes. This is not all out defense. Stats showed that in those first round games we had the advantage when it came to possession in the final third. We also got more shots on goal and corners than those Arabs teams some here think we "bunkered" against.

We also did have a backup for Pooladi. It was Hajsafi who had actually been our starting LB in the previous AC. He was our LB when we beat Iraq 2-1 in that cup.

I have no problem with constructive criticism. But I do have a problem with simplistic and misplaced ones.

[Camran khan]

we conceded i believe two goals from pooladi's side, and i also believe hajsafi simply was not disciplined when he dropped back. CQ kept subbing in attackers (although, it did prove to be beneficial), but parking the bus and trying to win would've been more beneficial. But arrogance is sometimes necessary...it's why his players truly enjoying playing for him. It's that same portuguese arrogance that is similar in the likes of figo, ronaldo, mourinho, AVB, etc...

It wasn't Hajsafi's fault. Hajsafi always had one man covered, but there came another player, he can't hold them both, Amiri didn't come back and defend as much that was needed.

[PersianLegion]

1.Heydari is useless, and fortunately he will be gone. He runs aimlessly. I want to put him on a hamster wheel.

2.CQ was a bit arrogant against Iraq, we conceded i believe two goals from pooladi's side, and i also believe
hajsafi simply was not disciplined when he dropped back. CQ kept subbing in attackers (although, it did prove to be beneficial), but parking the bus and trying to win would've been more beneficial. But arrogance is sometimes necessary...it's why his players truly enjoying playing for him. It's that same portuguese arrogance that is similar in the likes of figo, ronaldo, mourinho, AVB, etc...

3.i hope the IPL players get more exposure, and gradually they follow sardar's example and go abroad...

4.Thus, our Iranian players are simply not trained adequately enough, and those that have talent sell out quickly to make a substantial income.

I agree with you on number 1,3, and 4 but not 2.

Your explanation does not cover for CQ's error that didn't have a back up LB for Pooladi. He had 3 RB at his disposal but no LB. Hajsafi could not cover the space and Amiri didn't help either. After Pooladi was out there was a big hole in our defensive wall which was used by Iraqis very easily the same problem we had with Bosnia in another situation.

CQ style is not fit for playing against weak teams like Iraq or other 2nd tier Asian teams. If you support this style like Greece you better watch Greece matches prior to last world cup. Bosnia smashed them 3-1 despite their parking bus method. It only works when our opponent team does not expect or have not been trained against such methods, and when it needs to open up for more attacking style it shows the flaws all over the places. It is only the matter of time until top flight Asian teams such as Korea, Japan, and Australia to find their way to our goal and then the team falls apart.

Even the weak teams such as Qatar can mimic this style and draw with us in Tehran. Then both teams go bunker and it will be a boring match to watch. The bottom line is 2nd tier Asian teams can take advantage from this style and possibly taking easy 1 point from our team each time they play against us.

I still like CQ because he stood up against IFF corruptions and didn't chicken out. He brought some prosperous influences in our football management and burned some mafioso asses! He stood against band bazi in national team and that is why many former and current national players like him to stay and are guarding him against criticism but we need to be open to constructive critics and not to blind-fully accept all CQs actions.

Btw, I am a former Persepolis and current Karim Bagheri fan. I like stylish football be it in Esteghlal, Persepolis, Sepahan, Foolad or etc...

[Mr.Pink]

Hello,

I think CQ's method for Iran's national team works...The counter-attack and defensive stalwart works with the personnel he has at his disposal. Unfortunately, his methods have critics...as do all coaches. However, i can't understand the criticism. There are few if any qualified people in Iran to be able to criticize CQ. They simply do not have the football pedigree... Iranians traditionally have been slow and technical... the game today is being played at a pace and technicality far above our traditional iranian quasi-Brazilian individualism. Thus, our Iranian players are simply not trained adequately enough, and those that have talent sell out quickly to make a substantial income. Most importantly, CQ's pedigree is what makes his players respect him. This and future CQ Iranian teams continue to play as a team, because no individual has the accomplishments (maybe Neko...) to be able to rightfully disrespect him. He's eroding away that selfish individualism that had been nice to watch, yet thorn in the sides of previous national teams. He's rebuilding a new team oriented football squad. Until, IPL standards rise or more players go abroad i'm okay with this conservative and boring style. Greece won Euro 2004, and advanced to the round of 16 with this similar style. Iran is simply too slow and too far behind the modern game to continue attempting to play with that selfish individualized (quasi-Brazilian style) football that has been synonymous with Iranian football.

I did not see the need for Sardar at the WC. He would not have seen the playing field. I think it was a personnel issue for CQ. I understand the experience argument, playing him in the last few minutes of a game like against Bosnia, but if Sardar progresses through the ranks at a European Club that plays CL football, league cups or or in a top 5 domestic league, then i feel he will be able to handle the expectations at a world tourney for his national team. Iran has never really played attacking football... Iran has played selfish panna-like football. Quite frankly, an attacking style works if you can do it at the speed of the modern game. However most iranian players (exception being Dejagah) especially those based in iran are playing a few speeds behind the modern game. Iran has never played what is considered attacking football (i.e. arsenal, bayern, real... even the conservative attacking format of barcelona)

Heydari is useless, and fortunately he will be gone. He runs aimlessly. I want to put him on a hamster wheel.

CQ was a bit arrogant against Iraq, we conceded i believe two goals from pooladi's side, and i also believe hajsafi simply was not disciplined when he dropped back. CQ kept subbing in attackers (although, it did prove to be beneficial), but parking the bus and trying to win would've been more beneficial. But arrogance is sometimes necessary...it's why his players truly enjoying playing for him. It's that same portuguese arrogance that is similar in the likes of figo, ronaldo, mourinho, AVB, etc...

i hope the IPL players get more exposure, and gradually they follow sardar's example and go abroad...

In terms of Mr. Williams... he or some external forces had influences well beyond what is acceptable in football. All three games involving native farsi teams were poorly officiated by Mr.Williams. I do believe that pooladi's card was controversial, regardless the remainder of the game williams disrupted the flow of the game, lost control, and deliberately kept Iraqi players on the field (the iraqis knew they would remain on the field regardless of how reckless or unsportsmanlike they behaved)...It was the exact type of game iranians would generally lose, and the type of game a team like iraq would win. penalties are no way to decide a victor.

[PersianLegion]

and thats exactly why he is an idiot those two matches are not even comparable. Iran didnt advance against pretty much the B team of korea when iran had one of their best squads ever, clearly big respinsibility on the coach. Iran didnt advance against iraq because of an incompetent referees decision. No matter how much you dislike queiroz you cannot deny the fact the iran would have easily won if it werent for al-williams. So the responsibility is a lot less on the coach.

I don't like GN behavior but his result for Esteghlal and Sepahan were not bad. He should learn to behave and be given serious warnings over corruption and gang mentality. If his corruption and gang mentality being left alone this will encourage other thugs to behave bold and feel invincible. If he can not be corrected then should be banned from IPL as an example.

About CQ: he is not god as some people like to picture him. He has his own flaws. I don't like his style of playing but he has changed our abkesh defense to a wall which is good but he has significantly reduced our aggressive attacking football (the joy of the game) to some boring (hardly scoring goal) for the the sake of final result. His obvious mistake was not including Sardar in WC or taking Khalatbari while keeping Khosro Heydari. We saw the result against Bosnia when we had to play less defensively we had no play maker to feed the forwards. His mistake in AC 2015 for not having a back up for LB (Pooladi) was another visible mistake. A professional coach should not make such crucial errors. The good point about him is that he finally accepted to introduce more IPL based young players to the team which was a breeze to his oldies gang!

[Kiarash]

GN and thuggery?

^ Watch out, Mr. Clipsport incoming

[Ghermez Agha]

^ and then there r ppl who still support this dirt bag and call themselves iranian LMFAO

[rugs]

GN loses to Nekounam in court. http://90tv.ir/news/71457/%D9%82%D9%...A7%D8%AE%D8%AA

Not only did he lose, but Nekounam was able to prove everything he said against GN was correct.

He was able to prove that GN has people take bribes for him, he bullies players, is part of a mafia, etc...

I wonder if anything will come out of this, other than Nekounam proving he was right.

[Siavash]

IFF should ban QN from Iranian football for good, for his dirty part in Iranian football.

[persian-eagle-13]

yeah good, this guy is the Mafia of our football. he will not go away but i hope he gets exposed more and more

[babak_iran]

GN loses to Nekounam in court. http://90tv.ir/news/71457/%D9%82%D9%...A7%D8%AE%D8%AA

[Keano]

In the 2012 wcq match Iran parked the bus against Korea, Shojaei got sent off, the Koreans couldn't finish and we got lucky with a Nekounam goal. That game happened 3 years ago.

In all fairness that game we played quite offensively and created more scoring chances. When a team is one man down almost for a whole half, yet plays offensive football, and finally scores, it tells you how bad it wants to win the game

[Paradigm]

My honest feeling is if CQ was that good, somebody else would have hired him before IR. People come to Iran to get a job as a LAST resort. Let's be honest, who wants to live/work under a backwards, repressive theocratic regime?!

[ali alipour]

In the 2012 wcq match Iran parked the bus against Korea, Shojaei got sent off, the Koreans couldn't finish and we got lucky with a Nekounam goal. That game happened 3 years ago. It's irrelevant.
In the asian cup QFs TM played a more "attacking" game, which left the defence vulnerable, its also notable that the referee clearly had something personal against the team, probably in direct response to CQ's critisism after the game with Bahrain. That wasn't very smart on his part, he should have kept his mouth shut till the end of the tournament.

you clearly didnt watch the game then because the korea game was one of the only games that qyeiroz didnt play defensively and in no way was that win luck. Also maybe afc shouldnt have appointed a ref that had already reffed an iran game badly...