Team melli June matches warm up talk

[oracle]

Question for you, and think about this very deeply. Are current players really better? Is Hazbavi who consistently gets the highest ratings in Al-Sadd playing alongside Qatari NT team players like Afif and Haydos (who won Qatari league recently) really worse than Kanaani? Or is Fallah really that much worse than Shoja who isn't even best CB in Tractor (Aghasi has better stats)? Or is Jalali really that much worse than Milad who wasn't even part of TM anymore before CQ came back (Skocic would rather play HS, Amiri, and Noorafkan there over Milad since he was so bad)? Or is the real question that experience is vastly overrated when it comes to TM and we refuse to accept that?

Regarding defenders: the problem isn't now but in 3-4 years. Remember back in 2018 we played all these youngsters against major European countries in the World CUP: Majid Hosseini was 21 years old, Kanaani was 24 years old, PAG was 26, etc...

What was the result? We trusted them and they pulled through and delivered one of greatest performances for TM ever.

What's going to happen when these old timers retire at the next Asian cup? We're gonna have Hazbavi who is gonna be 24 and Fallah who is 26/27 and their international experience will amount to basically playing pity minutes against Turkmenistan. We're setting these players up for failure basically because they won't have the necessary experience to do anything in 2026/2027 or 2030/2031.

I'm gonna say it: experience is VASTLY overrated, especially when it comes to TM. Our "experienced" players like Kanaani still throw tantrums and make the same mistakes as they did when they were 21. The truth of the matter is that we need to make use of our young and talented players while they are 20-28 and take advantage of their athleticism and technique. This whole thing regarding experience has never gotten TM anywhere, and while other countries have figured it out we are still debating whether Hazbavi, who is one of the highest rated CB in the Qatari league playing for the league winning team is good enough to start.


Anyways rant over lol: I think that some of the players on your list their career is pretty much over. For example Gholizadeh just had knee surgery again so he will be out till next year again probably. Yes a player like Noorafkan has a left foot which is highly valuable, but he simply doesn't have the talent to keep up with the rest of the team. You don't need us to say it, just ask Taremi who always yells at him on pitch to stop being bad. Beiranvand is fine for now but he's degrading every tournament, and we don't have a suitable replacement for him. Shakouri hasn't given us a reason to doubt his talent, why not start giving him a few caps here and there so he can take over in 2027?

I answer u tomorrow after my walk thinking what u said regarding everything.

Biravand said today he wants to be tm until 2030
and shakuri gave up 5 goals to golgohar.

[Pluto2000]

I answer u tomorrow after my walk thinking what u said regarding everything.

Biravand said today he wants to be tm until 2030
and shakuri gave up 5 goals to golgohar.

Get your 10k steps in haji 🫡🤣. Even if not Shakouri some other talented youngsters like Parsa or Rafiei. But you get what I mean. Beiranvand, only one of Niazmand/Hosseini, and a youngster should be default

[PSGman#19]

Imo experience is key, shoja and kanaani with all their shortcomings have also world class games too here or there when we struggle. Kanaani scored some important goals, shoja was very good in some asian cup games.

We know these players ceilings that's why giving our youngs experience of ipl acl and tm games is very important with the hope their ceiling will be higher than kanaani and co. Repeat the process until discovering the next azmoun daei...or at least grow our squad depth. Keep in mind we often face injuries suspension on our important players.

Hazbavi And co . are raw but we badly need them to play now with experienced player at their side so they will progress. Shakouri get scored 5 but he needs that to learn and progress.

our problem isnt our veteran stars nor our young prospects. The problem is in the middle, the middle aged mediocre players that we already know they wont do anything significant in their career. We lost to many times with noorafkan moghanlou asadi sarlak gholami

[Pluto2000]

Imo experience is key, shoja and kanaani with all their shortcomings have also world class games too here or there when we struggle. Kanaani scored some important goals, shoja was very good in some asian cup games.

We know these players ceilings that's why giving our youngs experience of ipl acl and tm games is very important with the hope their ceiling will be higher than kanaani and co. Repeat the process until discovering the next azmoun daei...or at least grow our squad depth. Keep in mind we often face injuries suspension on our important players.

Hazbavi And co . are raw but we badly need them to play now with experienced player at their side so they will progress. Shakouri get scored 5 but he needs that to learn and progress.

our problem isnt our veteran stars nor our young prospects. The problem is in the middle, the middle aged mediocre players that we already know they wont do anything significant in their career. We lost to many times with noorafkan moghanlou asadi sarlak gholami

I agree with you somewhat. I honestly don't get the claims that Hazbavi is raw. He's only lacking international inexperience since we refuse to play him. Even though Qatari league is pretty mid, he's playing pretty regularly for Al-Sadd next to players like Afif/Haydos/Uribe from Columbian NT/Prob some others. He's also started a few ACL games.

I'm not saying he's a god like prospect but I don't buy that Kanaani's experience is so valuable that makes him better than Hazbavi tbh. Maybe a few years ago Kanaani was better but he is just the type of player TM needs to offload. I don't really know in what instances Kanaani's experience have helped TM, can you?

[oracle]

Question for you, and think about this very deeply. Are current players really better? Is Hazbavi who consistently gets the highest ratings in Al-Sadd playing alongside Qatari NT team players like Afif and Haydos (who won Qatari league recently) really worse than Kanaani? Or is Fallah really that much worse than Shoja who isn't even best CB in Tractor (Aghasi has better stats)? Or is Jalali really that much worse than Milad who wasn't even part of TM anymore before CQ came back (Skocic would rather play HS, Amiri, and Noorafkan there over Milad since he was so bad)? Or is the real question that experience is vastly overrated when it comes to TM and we refuse to accept that?

Regarding defenders: the problem isn't now but in 3-4 years. Remember back in 2018 we played all these youngsters against major European countries in the World CUP: Majid Hosseini was 21 years old, Kanaani was 24 years old, PAG was 26, etc...

What was the result? We trusted them and they pulled through and delivered one of greatest performances for TM ever.

What's going to happen when these old timers retire at the next Asian cup? We're gonna have Hazbavi who is gonna be 24 and Fallah who is 26/27 and their international experience will amount to basically playing pity minutes against Turkmenistan. We're setting these players up for failure basically because they won't have the necessary experience to do anything in 2026/2027 or 2030/2031.

I'm gonna say it: experience is VASTLY overrated, especially when it comes to TM. Our "experienced" players like Kanaani still throw tantrums and make the same mistakes as they did when they were 21. The truth of the matter is that we need to make use of our young and talented players while they are 20-28 and take advantage of their athleticism and technique. This whole thing regarding experience has never gotten TM anywhere, and while other countries have figured it out we are still debating whether Hazbavi, who is one of the highest rated CB in the Qatari league playing for the league winning team is good enough to start.


Anyways rant over lol: I think that some of the players on your list their career is pretty much over. For example Gholizadeh just had knee surgery again so he will be out till next year again probably. Yes a player like Noorafkan has a left foot which is highly valuable, but he simply doesn't have the talent to keep up with the rest of the team. You don't need us to say it, just ask Taremi who always yells at him on pitch to stop being bad. Beiranvand is fine for now but he's degrading every tournament, and we don't have a suitable replacement for him. Shakouri hasn't given us a reason to doubt his talent, why not start giving him a few caps here and there so he can take over in 2027?

After few hours of walking
I came up with one question from you,
then i answer you.
DO U THINK
IF GENERAL WAS TEAM OMID HEADCOACH WITH SAME PLAYERS ENAYati had iran would of qualified to olympic?

[Pluto2000]

After few hours of walking
I came up with one question from you,
then i answer you.
DO U THINK
IF GENERAL WAS TEAM OMID HEADCOACH WITH SAME PLAYERS ENAYati had iran would of qualified to olympic?

Absolutely, even someone like GN is eons better than Enayati. He decided to play to some weird 3-4-2-1 formation against Uzbekistan U23 like he is Xabi Alonso or something it was complete mismanagement on a coaching level. In fact I decided to watch that game live and I could tell exactly when he lost that game: Uzbekistan saw that the weird formation we had and the coach told his players to press hard on the wings. We got completely outnumbered on the wings and couldn't keep possession. To lose when you have players like Salmani/Hosseinejad/Ghorbani/Khodabandelou/Yousefi/Allahyar/Fallah/Hazbavi/Goudarzi takes a special talent.

But the final answer is that I don't know because our federation mismanages our U23 and has no plans for it. They don't have a vision.

[oracle]

Absolutely, even someone like GN is eons better than Enayati. He decided to play to some weird 3-4-2-1 formation against Uzbekistan U23 like he is Xabi Alonso or something it was complete mismanagement on a coaching level. In fact I decided to watch that game live and I could tell exactly when he lost that game: Uzbekistan saw that the weird formation we had and the coach told his players to press hard on the wings. We got completely outnumbered on the wings and couldn't keep possession. To lose when you have players like Salmani/Hosseinejad/Ghorbani/Khodabandelou/Yousefi/Allahyar/Fallah/Hazbavi/Goudarzi takes a special talent.

But the final answer is that I don't know because our federation mismanages our U23 and has no plans for it. They don't have a vision.

will this starting line up qualify tm to 2026wc with general?

Biravand/niyazmand/hossini

Hardani . Kanani Hezbavi jalali
Jb. Saeed. Yasin. Ghaedi
Sardar. Medi

[Pluto2000]

will this starting line up qualify tm to 2026wc with general?

Biravand/niyazmand/hossini

Hardani . Kanani Hezbavi jalali
Jb. Saeed. Yasin. Ghaedi
Sardar. Medi

Absolutely it would. Why would it not? Jalali showed he can hang against Argentina, Senegal, and USA. Milad isn't so necessary. I don't know about Yasin, I personally think that we should play Hosseinejad (as backup to Ghoddos because Ghoddos is irreplaceable) right now until he makes full recovery next season. I'm not really saying we should go 100% young. but in general having 2-3 U23 players will help with development and speed, especially in defense and midfield where we get folded

[oracle]

Absolutely it would. Why would it not? Jalali showed he can hang against Argentina, Senegal, and USA. Milad isn't so necessary. I don't know about Yasin, I personally think that we should play Hosseinejad (as backup to Ghoddos because Ghoddos is irreplaceable) right now until he makes full recovery next season. I'm not really saying we should go 100% young. but in general having 2-3 U23 players will help with development and speed, especially in defense and midfield where we get folded

2 u23 that qualifies to take starters spots
imo
Is hezbavi and just turned 23 yasin...
but Saman is more qualify then yasin
and hezbavi over pag or hossini is a big argument.

It's tough

[Pluto2000]

2 u23 that qualifies to take starters spots
imo
Is hezbavi and just turned 23 yasin...
but Saman is more qualify then yasin
and hezbavi over pag or hossini is a big argument.

It's tough

Hosseini just got ankle surgery, he won't be back till next year probably and PAG is also still recovering. I'd say give the starting spot Hazbavi and if they can prove that their form is still good then call them up for their experience. IMO id say in situation like this better to invest in Hazbavi than 2 older players with question marks. IMO Fallah is also a question mark, I'm not particularly sold on him yet. He's really tall and imposing which is what u want in a CB but someone like Aghasi might be more beneficial for TM in next few years.

[oracle]

Hosseini just got ankle surgery, he won't be back till next year probably and PAG is also still recovering. I'd say give the starting spot Hazbavi and if they can prove that their form is still good then call them up for their experience. IMO id say in situation like this better to invest in Hazbavi than 2 older players with question marks. IMO Fallah is also a question mark, I'm not particularly sold on him yet. He's really tall and imposing which is what u want in a CB but someone like Aghasi might be more beneficial for TM in next few years.

Problem is
iran has so many talents it's coaches heaven and nightmare at same time.

[saeed_noro]

Some Players, which should get a chance in TM Camp / training and also minutes against specially Hong Kong and probably also vs. Uzbekistan:

based on transfermarkt data and age-perspective and influence on the pitch in IPL and Hazfi-Cup and AFC CL:

https://www.transfermarkt.de/persian-gulf-pro-league/torschuetzenliste/wettbewerb/IRN1/saison_id/2023/altersklasse/alle/detailpos//plus/1

Denis-Yerai Eckert Ayensa (27) - Striker, LW, playmaker - 11 goals and 3 assists in european competion. As we lack quality in offensive middlefield-playmaker, I hope this guy wants to play for TM and GN go after it now finally.
Mehdi Limouchi (24) - a absolute top football player, gifted and clever. LW, RW and as striker. He makes the difference for his team and absolute top form for Alumunim as he helped his team to advance in the Hazfi Cup with a classy match vs. Perspolis. 6 goals and 4 assists and his age is a nice perspective for Team Melli. I would bring him 2 times from the begining and see what he is capable of, also vs. Uzbekistan.
Abolfazl Jalali (25) - Esteghlal - 10 assits + 1 goal as a Leftback / left middlefield. He should be installed on our left side permanently.
Saeid Saharkhizan (20) - striker - 9 goals + 2 assists - for Gol Gohar Sirjan - was invited before by GN. Time to invite again, as he scored 4 goals in the months of April / May, good young age.
Aria Yousefi (22) - RB - also RW and LW. Should be installed as our RB. 4 goals and 5 assists for Sepahan, was invited 2times for TM.


also this players should be considered:
Shervin Bozorg (32) - striker - he showed in the actual weeks some nice performances. Sad he is 32. He scored twice vs. Perspolis. Together with Limouchi they outplayed Perspolis in the Hazfi Cup. Just one goal in the league, but the last weeks and the combination with Limouchi should be considered. tall guy, good/powerful shoot.
Rahman Jafari (27) - central striker - 10 goals + 4 assists - for Tractor and (before) Shams Azar.
Reza Azadi (28) - offensive middlefield - 13 goals + 4 assists - for Sepahan - played 10 TM matches already.
Reza Jafari (27) - RW, also Striker and LW - 8 GOALS + 7 assists - for Bandar Anzali (!) = he played a role in 15/29 goals of whole Malavan Team, so in half of all goals.
Mohammad Javad Mohammadi (27) - striker, also LW and RW, 7 goals + 5 assists - for ZobAhan.
Amirmasoud Sarabadani (26) - central middlefield - 7 goals - for Shams Azar Qazvin.
Mohammad Reza Soleimani (28) - striker, 7 goals + 3 assists for Malavan Bandar Anzali.

Some other players, which are interesting for IPL clubs and possibility for Team Melli future:

Kahweh Zahiroleslam (21) - moved from the US to vv st. Truiden, scored 6 goals and 1 assists. He is young, and if he can go his way in europe, will be a candidate for TM.
Milad Nejad (19) - plays for Hamburg 2nd team after went through U17, U19. Should be an interesting player for us. Let´s see what will happen this summer with him.
Farbod Samadian (19) - dual citizen, played for Costa Rica U20 and now U23. If there is potential for Costa Rica, there is also potential for Iran. We should get information here about him and try out to win him for Team Melli, if there is enough potential.
David Gharabaghi Stücker (19) - management is Team Raiola,
Kiyan (19) and Shayan (20) Sadeghi - SV Lippstadt (both in Dortmund youth before), 4th Bundesliga now.
Elias Vali Fard (16) - Borussia Mönchengladbach and German U16 nationalteam (7 matches). central defender and defensive middlefield.
Sam Alabi (17) - Newcastle United U18 - left foot, central middlefield
Metus Rusani (16) - former Hamburger SV, now Eintracht Braunschweig, goalkeeper. Team of former goakeeper of Iran, Daniel Davari.
Keyvan Mottaghian (21) - Paris St. German B (afghan / iranian) goalkeeper.
Reza Hosseini (17) - Central - Offensive middlefield, Hamburger SV, also afghan / iranian.

[KC McElroy]

Going forward these should be the players called up. The ones on the bottom should not be invited any more.

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[Pluto2000]

I'm guessing that our list of players to be announced for the camp is going to come out on June 2nd or June 3rd, three days before camp (due to the weird culture of announcing after pgpl matchdays)

My 26 man list for this camp if I was god king of TM:

GK: Beiranvand, Hosseini, and Shakouri (Or Rafiei)

CBs: Hazbavi, Fallah, Kanaani, and Aghasi (Majid Hosseini injured and Shoja is 35)

Fullbacks: Ramin, Hardani, Jalali, and Milad (Or Goudarzi, Milad is really mid man idk)

Midfielders: Eza, Ghoddos, Hosseinejad, Ghorbani, Khodabandelou, and Nourallahi

Wingers: Mohebi, Ghaedi, ARJ, Torabi, and Limouchi

Strikers: Taremi, Azmoun, Zahedi, and Azadi (or Saharkhizan unless we can get Eckert or Kaveh then drop one of Azadi/Saharkhizan)

[Super Shojaei]

hong kong have already announced their provisional squad- what are we doing ? General still waiting for his Joojeh Kebab order on snap?