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  • Nokhodi
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    Originally posted by Mahsaa View Post
    its very simple, he is nothing special and never was, I mean did he ever have a wow game ? and you can't find another keeper when they don't get their chance.

    i don't say Hosseini or niazmand are great or better, but Beiranvand is not better than any other IPL keeper
    Refresh your memory man.

    He saved TM against Morocco, Spain and Portugal in WC 2018.
    He saved TM against Oman in AC 2019.
    He saved TM against Syria in AC 2023.


    There are many more games I can't remember immediately, but he has been effective for TM and Persepolis countless times.

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  • Nokhodi
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    For my beautiful Beyranvand haters - which performance from Beyranvand have you seen that was responsible for TM losing?

    On the other hand, how many TM games has Beyranvand single-handedly saved for us?

    Even in the Syria game, he made up for his foul with a save in the penalties.

    Hosseini is a very basic goalie at best and Niazmand is a facsimile of Beyranvand, with slightly less ability.​

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  • TM4LIFE
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    He has his moments but he is not an elite goalkeeper. He is bang average with a couple physical traits that make him impressive in some aspects but mental and reaction traits that drag him right back to the mean.

    He is exceptionally tall but in spite of that he has always struggles with his aerial exits and is far from sure handed on crosses

    His exit timing and reactions are subpar and we saw this on several goals this AC, including Japan goal.

    Most average goalkeepers would concede those goals against Qatar, but team Melli deserves an exceptional keeper. I remember even during our 2000’s slump we had Rahmati who was an incredible shot stopper. We seem to alternate generations of good and average.

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  • Mahsaa
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    its very simple, he is nothing special and never was, I mean did he ever have a wow game ? and you can't find another keeper when they don't get their chance.

    i don't say Hosseini or niazmand are great or better, but Beiranvand is not better than any other IPL keeper

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  • Pluto2000
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    Originally posted by oracle View Post
    I don't get EXTEREM BASHING OF BIRAVAND.

    4 of the 6 pp championship take biro out and might not win it...take him out 2018 wc team and will lose all 3 matches.....a healthy biravand tm22 wc fate strongly would of changed..the goL he gVe up against us he was scared to come out due to his game 1 injury.
    he won title with pp 2 of them last year, this year take him out team pp be 5th .
    his asian cup performance was ok+, not good ,not bad ,little above average. He is one head and shoulder above other goalies right now, and niazmand and hossini are good but they give up goals biravand wont.
    now if biravand was involved in match fixingthats different story, but to give up 7 goals it's general mentality of he we give up 3 we score 4 , defense
    is not priority....

    Biravand will be tm all the way wc26.

    Now his personality
    Well that's a different story.
    Money has a lot to do with it,
    persians not use to that, they trip, but
    alot of athletics come from poor environment ,make money and personality change for worst.
    in west before player enter draft nfl nba MLB NHL
    Their leagues hVe class to teach plYers about fame and behavior, and still may fail.
    biravand is bling bling..persians not use to
    blingbling show off and they trip on him.
    Btw I think the reason y'all won last season at PP is not because Beiranvand but because of PAG. Beiro's weaknesses were covered by PAG and with him out he's conceding some of the tokhmiest goals. PP backline is basically TM backline 🤣.
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  • oracle
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    I don't get EXTEREM BASHING OF BIRAVAND.

    4 of the 6 pp championship take biro out and might not win it...take him out 2018 wc team and will lose all 3 matches.....a healthy biravand tm22 wc fate strongly would of changed..the goL he gVe up against us he was scared to come out due to his game 1 injury.
    he won title with pp 2 of them last year, this year take him out team pp be 5th .
    his asian cup performance was ok+, not good ,not bad ,little above average. He is one head and shoulder above other goalies right now, and niazmand and hossini are good but they give up goals biravand wont.
    now if biravand was involved in match fixingthats different story, but to give up 7 goals it's general mentality of he we give up 3 we score 4 , defense
    is not priority....

    Biravand will be tm all the way wc26.

    Now his personality
    Well that's a different story.
    Money has a lot to do with it,
    persians not use to that, they trip, but
    alot of athletics come from poor environment ,make money and personality change for worst.
    in west before player enter draft nfl nba MLB NHL
    Their leagues hVe class to teach plYers about fame and behavior, and still may fail.
    biravand is bling bling..persians not use to
    blingbling show off and they trip on him.

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  • FeLFeL
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    Originally posted by Kavian View Post
    It is not all that unusual for any football player to fall out of form because of age, fitness, not adopting to certain strategy, mental and emotional stability or other reasons. I am sure there is a good explanation out there for why Beiro fell from a reliable goalkeeper to a total deficit.

    But what is puzzling for me, is why the coaching staff kept closing their eyes to the team's goalkeeping performance issue and insisted to the last day that there is no problem. If you and I and millions of other could see the problem from an spectator lens why not those who were in charge of the team.

    I have reviewed Iran's AC games and have counted how many times Beiro either killed the team's momentum with his restart hesitations and/or put the team in danger of conceding by a wrong pass. The number is far greater than any acceptable threshold for an international level keeper. If the coaching staff were basing their assessment and analysis on real data, then by the conclusion of the second game Beiro should have been permanently benched.
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    I am right there with you on everything except maybe for the last part and whether he should have been benched for the rest of the tournament. Hindsight is 20/20 and that's a really tough call to make at a tournament of that scale to bench your starting GK whose held that position for a long time under different managers and has a good track record of saving PKs.

    Also need to take into account that the coaching staff's focus was on the many other problem areas they had to deal with like at CB and RB (partially their own fault for not rostering more defenders and taking more forwards on an already stacked front line to the tourney instead!). Not to mention the problems in the middle and who to play next to Ezzi and maybe even the dilemma between MiMo or Haji Safi at LB.

    But if they didn't know or weren't sure before, they definitely should by now! Beiranvand should be benched moving forward purely due to his performance in the Asian cup. This tournament displayed the decline of his athleticism and exposed his poor decision making, reaction time/reflexes & emotional and mental preparation/readiness on game day. Could he still turn it around at 31 and be effective in the future and help us as a back up with his experience? Absolutely. But he needs to take a seat and eat some humble pie for now while others are given an opportunity to shine.

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  • Iranianarsenal11
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    He's a big liability... We have better goalkeepers in Iran now

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  • Pluto2000
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    Originally posted by Kavian View Post
    It is not all that unusual for any football player to fall out of form because of age, fitness, not adopting to certain strategy, mental and emotional stability or other reasons. I am sure there is a good explanation out there for why Beiro fell from a reliable goalkeeper to a total deficit.

    But what is puzzling for me, is why the coaching staff kept closing their eyes to the team's goalkeeping performance issue and insisted to the last day that there is no problem. If you and I and millions of other could see the problem from an spectator lens why not those who were in charge of the team.

    I have reviewed Iran's AC games and have counted how many times Beiro either killed the team's momentum with his restart hesitations and/or put the team in danger of conceding by a wrong pass. The number is far greater than any acceptable threshold for an international level keeper. If the coaching staff were basing their assessment and analysis on real data, then by the conclusion of the second game Beiro should have been permanently benched.
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    This is especially true for Ramin and Kanaani as well. TMs biggest weakness in general is how gij our backline + gk are.

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  • Kavian
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    It is not all that unusual for any football player to fall out of form because of age, fitness, not adopting to certain strategy, mental and emotional stability or other reasons. I am sure there is a good explanation out there for why Beiro fell from a reliable goalkeeper to a total deficit.

    But what is puzzling for me, is why the coaching staff kept closing their eyes to the team's goalkeeping performance issue and insisted to the last day that there is no problem. If you and I and millions of other could see the problem from an spectator lens why not those who were in charge of the team.

    I have reviewed Iran's AC games and have counted how many times Beiro either killed the team's momentum with his restart hesitations and/or put the team in danger of conceding by a wrong pass. The number is far greater than any acceptable threshold for an international level keeper. If the coaching staff were basing their assessment and analysis on real data, then by the conclusion of the second game Beiro should have been permanently benched.
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  • Ghermez Agha
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    Anyone who has played the GK position will tell you beiranvand is not a good GK. That was exposed multiple times in two different (respectable) euro leagues where he had PLENTY of chances and flopped 60-70% of the time.

    those points are:

    - he is weak in 1v1 situations. His PK he gave up vs Syria is an example of that and if you watch some of the goals scored on him in antwerp or boavista it was very similar scenarios of a poor choice coming off his line (some oh which were in those 1v1 situations).

    - piss poor decision making, very much related to the above. He had terrible brain farts and does very weird things from time to time like play with the ball dangerously or make very stupid passes that catches the defender or midfielder to in danger. We have seen this a lot with TM especially.

    Of course he has lots of strengths too (good shot stopper, athletic, great throws) but that will never cancel out the above….you simply cannot be a good GK and have those weaknesses. He has made his living off of the Ronaldo saved PK…..since 2019-2020 he was never the same clear Home and at this point he isn’t even top 3 for me.

    oh and btw - I said this many years ago and I stand by it….Hossein Hosseini is the most fundamentally sound GK Iran has ever produced. He is not the most skilled, not the best overall, but the most polished in all areas. Don’t @ me
    Last edited by Ghermez Agha; 02-27-2024, 04:58 PM.

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  • Corey
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    Originally posted by perspolis#1 View Post

    I would give up having Beiranvands shot stopping for more control in distribution and box presence.

    Its unlikely to replace all of them. One of our CBs need to be replaced with a ball playing CB. We need to try and play our defense the way we had with Montazeri and Seyed Jalal which is one for positional/power and the other to distribute.

    That will give Ezatolahi an additional outlet for a pass which reduces the amount of times he has a turnover when trying to turn when facing our own goal.

    On top of that we desperately need Moharrami to play with a new backup.


    LB situation always dire so I'll settle for someone who defends well.


    I agree generally as Montazeri/Seyed Jalal was a very good combo. But keep in mind that they played during the parking the bus tactics under Q. Seyed Jalal suited well for that but against Qatar he would be exposed. Majid is somehow ok in that category, we just need another PAG there. Regarding Sadegh I agree, we should have rested him during the first games as this guy has no replacement right now. Milad will do tjmhe job so far...

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  • perspolis#1
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    Originally posted by Corey View Post
    Our defensive backbone consisting of Kanani, Shoja and Beiro is a mess. The 3 TM Players with the lowest IQ placed in the most sensitive positions. They all need to be replaced by calm and composed players.


    Which leads us to the question who can replace them. Especially Saeid...
    I would give up having Beiranvands shot stopping for more control in distribution and box presence.

    Its unlikely to replace all of them. One of our CBs need to be replaced with a ball playing CB. We need to try and play our defense the way we had with Montazeri and Seyed Jalal which is one for positional/power and the other to distribute.

    That will give Ezatolahi an additional outlet for a pass which reduces the amount of times he has a turnover when trying to turn when facing our own goal.

    On top of that we desperately need Moharrami to play with a new backup.


    LB situation always dire so I'll settle for someone who defends well.



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  • Corey
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    Our defensive backbone consisting of Kanani, Shoja and Beiro is a mess. The 3 TM Players with the lowest IQ placed in the most sensitive positions. They all need to be replaced by calm and composed players.

    Btw another problem: Our tall, clumsy players Cheshmi (no explanation needed, Seaid (defense in several occasions) and again Beiro are not suited for fast modern football. They lack body control. You can add Moghanlou and Asadi .
    Which leads us to the question who can replace them. Especially Saeid...

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  • blue blood
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    Beiranvand's problems are not just isolated to this game only. It is his overall questionable performance lately, his A$$ kissing personality & his delusional mind regarding the Golden Generation and 22 Bahman.
    مستر ۲۲ بهمن
    خودش به خودش میگه نسل طلایی

    حالش خوشه

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