Peiman 92 ASIAN CUP GURANTEE tm winning the cup thread

[oracle]

Are vall, sometimes I think that Iranian Fans do deserve mor than this. I dont know how many years we have been cheering for the National Team and they have not delivered jack shit. Last time they delivered something was Asian Cup 2004 when they came third place and got bronz.

2019and 23=to ac 04

[Essi]

Mokhlesim Nokhodi jan. Likewise, i respect your viewpoint as well.

Yes TM football is just too emotionally draining.
You wait 4-5 years and in the end we choke. The victorys are sweet but the losses are 100 times worse.

3 years until next AC. For me AC > WC. Let’s see what happens. What is clear is that this generation is done. 3 WC GS-exits and 3 AC failures was their dastavard.

Are vall, sometimes I think that Iranian Fans do deserve mor than this. I dont know how many years we have been cheering for the National Team and they have not delivered jack shit. Last time they delivered something was Asian Cup 2004 when they came third place and got bronz.

[Artaxerxes]

Mokhlesim Nokhodi jan. Likewise, i respect your viewpoint as well.

Yes TM football is just too emotionally draining.
You wait 4-5 years and in the end we choke. The victorys are sweet but the losses are 100 times worse.

3 years until next AC. For me AC > WC. Let’s see what happens. What is clear is that this generation is done. 3 WC GS-exits and 3 AC failures was their dastavard.

You described my own feelings whit this text, I feel you 100%

[peiman92]

Peiman92 Jan,

It’s all good man. No need to be quiet.
This is Iranian football.
Don’t walk away. At least I appreciate your posts. We may not agree, but you have your viewpoint and that’s respectable.

Mokhlesim Nokhodi jan. Likewise, i respect your viewpoint as well.

Yes TM football is just too emotionally draining.
You wait 4-5 years and in the end we choke. The victorys are sweet but the losses are 100 times worse.

3 years until next AC. For me AC > WC. Let’s see what happens. What is clear is that this generation is done. 3 WC GS-exits and 3 AC failures was their dastavard.

[oracle]

Peiman92 Jan,

It’s all good man. No need to be quiet.
This is Iranian football.
Don’t walk away. At least I appreciate your posts. We may not agree, but you have your viewpoint and that’s respectable.

Peiman dooset darim
peiman dooset darim

AZ Aydamet AFF KHORDI...

[Nokhodi]

Peiman92 Jan,

It’s all good man. No need to be quiet.
This is Iranian football.
Don’t walk away. At least I appreciate your posts. We may not agree, but you have your viewpoint and that’s respectable.

[BacheLot]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
even though he rid
But
He made me realize
General with a better advisers
Can go rnd32 of wc and play in semi of 2027 ac

im definitely not so convinced yet
however i certainly as a TM coaching option rate GN much more than i did pre-tourney and until i see a Realistic to attain better coaching option, will continue to support him..!

[oracle]

Hehe thank you but i need a break from TM. This last loss hurt extremely bad. I have barely had any sleep since the game. I also like to keep my word.

After your mourn time over
use this thread for tm..consider rhis your tm jail cell...death sentences get over ruled to life in prison with out possibility of parol all the time

[peiman92]

Peiman jan
since u came so close
Just use this thread
As peiman exclusive
to discuss tm here instead of retiring .

Hehe thank you but i need a break from TM. This last loss hurt extremely bad. I have barely had any sleep since the game. I also like to keep my word.

[peiman92]

I honestly enjoyed Skocic's football more than GN's. I was on the Skocic hate train, because again, I didn't think he was tactically sound at all. We would have been pretty bad in World Cup as Skocic was out of his depth against stronger teams, but Skocic knew how to beat these lowly Arab teams. I think he could have squeezed out a result against Japan, and we would've probably coasted to a win of this Asian Cup. Japan was literally the only boogeyman team we had to play this whole cup. We never worried about Syria, Jordan, Qatar, UAE under CQ or Skocic. Under GN, we even had poor results in our WCQ against Uzbekistan, which Uzbeks have been no threat to us in about a decade. That gave me a hint we were going to fall like this to a team like Qatar in the Asian Cup, we had forewarning. I think Ghalenoei is among the worst possible choices for TM. Not because I don't like his style of play, but because I wholeheartedly believe he doesn't have a style of play. Many noticed his style is bezan ziresh, and it's funny for years we used to laugh at the prospect of Ghalenoei being appointed and devolving back to aliasghari football. Now that it happened, we have 25% of people asking for more? It's ridiculous. Skocic was a tactically clueless version of the coach I hope for. Someone more balanced, but can adjust and have a plan during the game and really prepare the players to defend or attack in the right moments. There have been teams like this, I'd say Japan at their height was able to do both and adjust, but they also have a fraud coach right now.

Iran, Japan and Korea were all beaten due to bad coaching, I don't know if that's clear to everyone. Japanese and Korean fans are calling for their coaches heads on reddit, isn't it sad that we have a fairly strong minority group on here asking for more Ghalenoei? We are sadomasochists, we love to be tortured as a people.

Regarding Skocic, i can’t see any scenario he defeats Japan. Ghalenoei also beat the two arab finalist over 2 games 7-1 four months ago, but fucked up when it mattered. I simply don’t understand why he didn’t start with 4-4-2 against Qatar, it cost us everything.

I don’t agree with GN playing Ali-Ashgari football.
In every game (besides) Hong Kong we created at least 5-6 golden opportunities. Against Qatar we had 22 shots. All my foreign friends kept saying Irans games are the most entertaining to watch etc. Iran-Japan & Iran-Qatar are surely among games of the tournament. Ofc non of it matters as we didn’t win the cup in the end. But to say this was a result of Ali Ashghari is simply not true.

I very much enjoyed the type of football we played this AC. My only big concern was that we were too wasteful, and that in combination by GN getting scared in SF led to our downfall in the end.

[oracle]

Unfortunately yes lol.

Peiman jan
since u came so close
Just use this thread
As peiman exclusive
to discuss tm here instead of retiring .

[Afat11]

Good to hear that you don't want CQ back, you have my respect for that.

Regarding tactics, i think we have opposite views on how we should play. I'd rather we win 4-3 than 1-0.
In a perfect world i would say 20% less offensive than GN would have been ideal, but i don't think that is possible.
IMO you can either play attacking or defensive and no in between. You need to choose one style and play it to 100% for it to work.
It is simply not possible to play an attacking style while keeping CQ defensive shape and vice versa.

Skocic tried something like that and it was just a complete mess.
You choose a style and just have to accept the pros and cons.

I agree that in the end both GN and CQ were not good enough.

I honestly enjoyed Skocic's football more than GN's. I was on the Skocic hate train, because again, I didn't think he was tactically sound at all. We would have been pretty bad in World Cup as Skocic was out of his depth against stronger teams, but Skocic knew how to beat these lowly Arab teams. I think he could have squeezed out a result against Japan, and we would've probably coasted to a win of this Asian Cup. Japan was literally the only boogeyman team we had to play this whole cup. We never worried about Syria, Jordan, Qatar, UAE under CQ or Skocic. Under GN, we even had poor results in our WCQ against Uzbekistan, which Uzbeks have been no threat to us in about a decade. That gave me a hint we were going to fall like this to a team like Qatar in the Asian Cup, we had forewarning. I think Ghalenoei is among the worst possible choices for TM. Not because I don't like his style of play, but because I wholeheartedly believe he doesn't have a style of play. Many noticed his style is bezan ziresh, and it's funny for years we used to laugh at the prospect of Ghalenoei being appointed and devolving back to aliasghari football. Now that it happened, we have 25% of people asking for more? It's ridiculous. Skocic was a tactically clueless version of the coach I hope for. Someone more balanced, but can adjust and have a plan during the game and really prepare the players to defend or attack in the right moments. There have been teams like this, I'd say Japan at their height was able to do both and adjust, but they also have a fraud coach right now.

Iran, Japan and Korea were all beaten due to bad coaching, I don't know if that's clear to everyone. Japanese and Korean fans are calling for their coaches heads on reddit, isn't it sad that we have a fairly strong minority group on here asking for more Ghalenoei? We are sadomasochists, we love to be tortured as a people.

[oracle]

Peiman Rid..!!

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
even though he rid
But
He made me realize
General with a better advisers
Can go rnd32 of wc and play in semi of 2027 ac

[peiman92]

Peiman Rid..!!

Unfortunately yes lol.

[peiman92]

I respect that you admit you were wrong about GN. CQ is not a king, and I don't want him back. Comparing on field organization and sticking to a plan, imo, there is no question that CQ's tactics, although not fun and very rigid, the players stuck to the plan and we were always well organized. We rarely had games where the other teams had shots on target. CQ was too defensive though, and it's reasonable to say a manager who can maintain a similar structure defensively, but be 20% more attacking would be ideal for us. The problem is, Ghalenoei had no plan generally. Defensively, it's clear his organization was either an utter failure, or he did not plan anything for defensive shape this tournament. We leaked goals. Offensively, I saw what I saw with every vatani/Branko TM coach since I started watching football, which was bezan ziresh aliasghari football. Not exactly anything innovative.

The answer is simple. None of our coaches, including GN, has been good enough to get us past group stage of world cup or AC semifinal. We need to now look for someone of a higher profile who expresses a clear plan and tactic for TM that errs more defensive than GN and less defensive than CQ. This person is the Goldi-locks manager we need. Someone who can balance our team in a way neither CQ or GN have shown they are capable.

Good to hear that you don't want CQ back, you have my respect for that.

Regarding tactics, i think we have opposite views on how we should play. I'd rather we win 4-3 than 1-0.
In a perfect world i would say 20% less offensive than GN would have been ideal, but i don't think that is possible.
IMO you can either play attacking or defensive and no in between. You need to choose one style and play it to 100% for it to work.
It is simply not possible to play an attacking style while keeping CQ defensive shape and vice versa.

Skocic tried something like that and it was just a complete mess.
You choose a style and just have to accept the pros and cons.

I agree that in the end both GN and CQ were not good enough.