How to Tell the Boss He is Wrong

[Babak agha]

^ there was a list of how much coaches of teams that made it to the previous world cup were paid by those countries. And Ghotbi was paid more than most of those coaches on that list, by IFF.

Someone (I think Neda or K. Amir) had posted that list on the football forum, and if I'm not mistaking he made more than 2/3 of that list.

But all of this doesn't matter as the paycheck of a coach is the last thing that indicates the quality of a coach.

[BacheLot]

past resume is fine...but acctual success and adaptation is what count the most.............
I do not believe, even Sir Feguson, would and could be as successful as " Luka " has been with Sepahan , and in IRAN in general.....
Most that counts, is not how much you know, or how much you have done in the past,although neccessary,.....it is all how much you adapt,and get result with all limitations........
All these forign coaches got thier resume on ideal situations......and such situation does not exist in third world countries ,and defenetly not in IRAN....
The best forign coaches whom had success in IRAN ;
1- Rykov.
2-Branko.
3-Luka.
Eastern Europeans,appear to have had a thicker skins..........and I hope, QC is an exception.

right..!
I agree with success in Iran as the best measuring device for rating the best that iran ever had @ helm..!
Some coaches become high profile & famous greatly by luck & being in the
right place @ the right time..!

^So ghotbi has been one of the best coaches in the world.......

did he really earned that high of a salary in Iran ..!??
Off course, the pay is relative to the pool of available options & the market rates @ the time of hirings & many other considerations..!

[Doctor DOOM]

^So ghotbi has been one of the best coaches in the world.......

lol good catch

[Babak agha]

^So ghotbi has been one of the best coaches in the world.......

[Hajagha]

I believe as Maij Jan said, we need to define how we base our ratings.
Fabio Cappello never reached a World Cup semi-finals, but I rate him higher than Ciro based on his performance in Serie A and Championsleague titles won.
Carlos Alberto Pareira won the world Cup with Brazil, but I rate Ottmar Hitzfeld higher than him.
while I do respect your point of view and accept that "likability" should not count in ratings, I do believe oppinions will differ in selecting the criteria!
However, I feel its safe to say, as you pointed out earlier, that Ciro and Ivic were among the best we ever had! for sure!

Well said.

In last couple of thousands years, there was a measurement invented for evaluation.

It's called "MONEY"

If some thing is higher quality. It's more expensive and people are willing to pay more.

mmm, let's rank our coaches based on their salary then.

Cheers,

[zzgloo]

past resume is fine...but acctual success and adaptation is what count the most.............
I do not believe, even Sir Feguson, would and could be as successful as " Luka " has been with Sepahan , and in IRAN in general.....
Most that counts, is not how much you know, or how much you have done in the past,although neccessary,.....it is all how much you adapt,and get result with all limitations........
All these forign coaches got thier resume on ideal situations......and such situation does not exist in third world countries ,and defenetly not in IRAN....

The best forign coaches whom had success in IRAN ;

1- Rykov.
2-Branko.
3-Luka.

Eastern Europeans,appear to have had a thicker skins..........and I hope, QC is an exception.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

as long as we're talking about "profile & world standing" (and not impact or likability or ...) none of our coaches have reached a world cup semifinals except Ciro with croatia.

I believe as Maij Jan said, we need to define how we base our ratings.

Fabio Cappello never reached a World Cup semi-finals, but I rate him higher than Ciro based on his performance in Serie A and Championsleague titles won.

Carlos Alberto Pareira won the world Cup with Brazil, but I rate Ottmar Hitzfeld higher than him.

while I do respect your point of view and accept that "likability" should not count in ratings, I do believe oppinions will differ in selecting the criteria!

However, I feel its safe to say, as you pointed out earlier, that Ciro and Ivic were among the best we ever had! for sure!

[zzgloo]

WeymouthTorquay UnitedLeicester CityManchester UnitedCardiff CityIran
1976-1977 Torquay United
1980 Al-ShaabTorquay United

thanks majid jaan......I stand corrected.....

[maij]

If I am not mistaking...Frank O'Farrel..had only the resume of coaching " cardif City " Lower level English Team, before joining the TM.

Teams managed
1961–1965 Weymouth
1965–1968 Torquay United
1968–1971 Leicester City
1971–1972 Manchester United
1973–1974 Cardiff City
1974–1976 Iran
1976-1977 Torquay United
1980 Al-Shaab
1981–1982 Torquay United

[zzgloo]

If I am not mistaking...Frank O'Farrel..had only the resume of coaching " cardif City " Lower level English Team, before joining the TM.

[maij]

INteresting Debate

We have 4 different coaches vying for the title of the highest profile coach that served with Team Melli.

O'Farrel , Ivic , Ciro and Queiroz.

I guess , before we decide a winner , we need to define the requirement of what a High Profile coach entails.

I don't want to side track from the original topic , but it does open a very interesting argument indeed.

I don't think think there is much doubt on the winner of the other end , the lowest profile..

[Doctor DOOM]

as long as we're talking about "profile & world standing" (and not impact or likability or ...) none of our coaches have reached a world cup semifinals except Ciro with croatia.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

[Hajagha]

^ Well I think CQ has a higher profile than Ciro. He is from West Europe and at his prime, While Ciro was from East Europe and passed his prime when he joined us.

My thought though, not fact.

Cheers,

[maij]

no day is too late for salvation, brother. glad you've joined the brotherhood


another thing. with due respect, I personally dont think CQ is by far the most high profile or profficient or famous coach we've had since Ofarrel.

lets not forget in 2001 we hired the fourth ranked coach (Blazevic) in the 98 WC. and I doubt we've ever come close to such a high ranking coach.

It's a different matter if most of us like Ivic more than Ciro. but hard and cold stats say Ciro was our highest venture. certainly above what CQ's.



disclaimer: this is NOT a criticism of CQ, btw. before some ppl jump to conclusions

oOH.....I forgot about him . You are right, Ciro was the highest profile coach.