lil cliff and cliffhanger

[Hajagha]

coach's job/duty is limited to technical and tactical matters, training and roster selection and ... .

nothing to do with the paperwork or notices or coordination with federation, continental confederation, travel, travel arrangements, accommodations, passport and visa matters, sponsorship, media relations, ... etc these other duties are the responsibility of the team manager, federation liaison and others appointed by the federation specifically for taking care of these tasks.

ever heard coaches saying "I need proper atmosphere to work in"? that atmosphere is exactly such peripheral matters that ought to be taken care of by OTHERS

and reporter's job is keeping the yellow cards stat...

jigar, go to a random football forum from any nation, say "a team lost 3-0 because of illegal player", they say "fire the coach". Now, you wanna play "bedeh-beston", roll it.

I am thinking if we really had a decent football with active women side in every level, decent youth, teens, under 13, subdivision leagues like Brazil, beach, futsal,... we needed an IFF ten times bigger than interior ministry. mmm maybe bigger.

Don't be bias.

Cheers,

[maij]

Abroo rizi

[Doctor DOOM]

coach's job/duty is limited to technical and tactical matters, training and roster selection and ... .

nothing to do with the paperwork or notices or coordination with federation, continental confederation, travel, travel arrangements, accommodations, passport and visa matters, sponsorship, media relations, ... etc these other duties are the responsibility of the team manager, federation liaison and others appointed by the federation specifically for taking care of these tasks.

ever heard coaches saying "I need proper atmosphere to work in"? that atmosphere is exactly such peripheral matters that ought to be taken care of by OTHERS

[Hajagha]

^ Of course Woman's coach was at fault too. She had to know they won't let them play when she hit the locker room. What was all those bending and praying maskhareh bazi? Did you see what they said after? We put our hijab even if we get banned several times. If you wanna get banned, you don't need a team and a coach. Isn't it obvious?

IFF is at fault in a bigger picture by appointing them, but handling the team's matters are not IFF responsibilities. It will be laughable to ask IFF who got what in my team.

Tell you some thing: Canadian soccer Federation is exactly next door to Iranian Embassy in Ottawa. You know how big is the building? Barely 3 bed rooms house. I don't know how many works there though. All Iranians live in Canada know that. I don't see any one going in or out any time I was there. I don't see Canadian teams get banned left and right even they have a federation as big as "sorakh-moosh" which barely 3 people work there.

Dadash-e man, Team Omid is a team, coach and team manager should take care of the team matters. If you can't, it means you don't know your responsibilities.

The disaster was sitting there to hit. Remember missing the friendly game due to exit permission for some players?

Bigger picture >>> Who put these guys at work?

You wanna get bigger? >>> who got those appointing a-holes at work? Get bigger? ...

Still, missing yellow cards and playing ineligible player? yagh-e morabi-o bechasb bego onja che ghalati mikardi?

Cheers,

[Doctor DOOM]

In a bigger picture, when our girls team is losing 3-0 and our Olympic team gets the same result a week later. Some body should ask and some bod.................

eh?

then, based on this:

It's no secret that this IFF is not competent but come on, that's coaching team fault anyway you wanna put it. There is a reason they give you a sheet called "substitute control sheet" and the only person can sign, is the coach. Simple,you sign, you bear the responsibility.

You get a team and become a coach, you check every thing about your team. As simple as that. You can bring every excuses but it just...............

then we have to blame the women's COACH who didnt do the job of the supervisor, coordinator and IFF liaison and IFF media officer and IFF olympic committee and ...


my friends, in these matters, each person has a role to play and certain duties to satisfy. the coach's duty does not include running notices and other paper work with IFF or olympic committee or ... .
then why the f*ck do we have "sar parast" and manager and coordinator and .... ?

the coach's responsibility is very different from all this

[St_Mark]

the problem in my eyes is a clear case of poor handing over from the previous management of the team to the current management.
there was loss of information in the middle. Previous group says they provided a complete file to the current management, current management says file was incomplete.
and other people surrounding didnt bother to say anything.

I agree with you about that aspect.
As you said:
Parhizgar was team manager but was fired after a good result against Kyrghizstan.
He submitted relevant document to IFF (himself veteran IFF employee of 16 years).
When Hajilu was appointed Nabi asked Moeini to schedule coordinated meeting between Hajilu and Parhizgar. Parhizgar did not show up. He said he was not informed.
Hajilu and Moeini did not follow up.
Hajilu did not do diligence.
All are guilty hence their big boss Kafashian for having weak organization without check and balance.
Beside these 3, there are others like Turabian… who share responsibilities.
That has to do with IFF while responsibilities of coach are a different subject albeit related.
In his latest twist. Mnsoourian now admit he heard about Mazdak Mirzaei’s comment of two cards. He then asked his Media officer and was told he is not aware and later on told him he was told nothing that can not be fixing by paying some penalties. (My wording).
If true. He should have asked Hajilu or Turabian or just someone above media officer (read translator).
I believe as I said it more than few times. He was preoccupied and his immaturity, lack of experience did not help at all. He was unable to handle crisis and his own actions demoralized players.
Here is situation room of Omid before the game.
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سرمربی جوان تیم در حالی که خبر را باور نمی کند در هتل محل اقامت تیم ملی، دستیارانش را قبل از صرف ناهار
دور هم جمع می کند تا آنها را از وقوع این فاجعه مطلع سازد. حاجیلو، مارکار آقاجانیان، منصور رشیدی به شدت ناراحت مي شوند اما چاره ای جز اعلام خبر به بازیکنان نیست،
...
منصوریان که شاهد عصبانیت کی روش بود، برای رهایی از تبعات این حادثه کریم باقری را به هتل فرامی خواند. باقری هم به جمع کادر فنی تیم امید اضافه می شود. بازیکن سابق تیم ملی فوتبال وقتی ماجرا را از زبان منصوریان متوجه می شود برافروخته می شود و او هم انتقادهايی را به وضعیت فوتبال ایران و مدیریت فدراسیون فوتبال مطرح می کند تا تعداد منتقدان فدراسیون در هتل محل اقامت تیم ملی افزایش یابد.
زمان ناهار بازیکنان تیم امید فرا می رسد، منصوریان بازیکنان را در جریان این اتفاق قرار می دهد، هیچ یک از بازیکنان آرام و قرار ندارند، صدای گریه بازیکنان تیم امید، فضای رستوران هتل را تحت الشعاع قرار می دهد، کی روش هیچ حرفی نمی زند فقط هر چند لحظه یکبار سرش را به نشانه تاسف تکان می دهد، منصوریان با چشمانی سرخ بازیکنان را به آرامش دعوت می کند و از آنها می خواهد برای شکست تیم عراق و صعود تیم به مرحله بعد هم قسم شوند، بازیکنان تیم ملی که تا چند ساعت پیش سرشار از انگیزه بودند بدون این که ناهار خود را به طور کامل بخورند، راهی اتاق هایشان می شوند، کمال کامیابی نیا ناراحت ترین ملی پوش اردوی امید است، نگاه سنگین بازیکنان او را از پای درآورده، حاجیلو و رشیدی تلاش می کنند او را آرام کنند اما انگار نه انگار دلداری اش می دهند.
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[yashar_fasihnia]

the problem in my eyes is a clear case of poor handing over from the previous management of the team to the current management.

there was loss of information in the middle. Previous group says they provided a complete file to the current management, current management says file was incomplete.

and other people surrounding didnt bother to say anything.

[Hajagha]

In a bigger picture, when our girls team is losing 3-0 and our Olympic team gets the same result a week later. Some body should ask and some body should answer what's going on there. Who chose whom and why? But again we all know what's going on and this will not be the last time.

After all, our most decorated coach in IPL, forgot to send his team's sheet to AFC. Go and figure it out.

Cheers,

[Hajagha]

It's no secret that this IFF is not competent but come on, that's coaching team fault anyway you wanna put it. There is a reason they give you a sheet called "substitute control sheet" and the only person can sign, is the coach. Simple,you sign, you bear the responsibility.

You get a team and become a coach, you check every thing about your team. As simple as that. You can bring every excuses but it just shows your incompetency more. You did not know the team, you had no time to learn, then you don't accept the job or you keep a couple of previous people in your coaching team. it's called transition.

Well, he learned now.

Cheers,

[zzgloo]

The culprits and the order of blaim.
...
1- islamic republic :
The whole country is run by people who have no qualification...and it is a same story every where..and football is no excception ......wrong people at the top, wrong decisions, wrong results.
.
2-IFF.......Thier unqualified leadership, thier wrong selection of mansourian,and inability to manage and do the requirements and lack of understanding of the laws and polices.lack of accoutabilities.........for example, the guy responsible for sending the inellegible player to Iraq, will never be known,and will never be put aside.
.
3- Mansourian.........TM is no place for the on the Job traning....the job was over masourian's head and abilities.

[St_Mark]

haji, before taking off (takhteh gaaz) on houman and probably making a case against him, I also mentioned the players stylists, jersey & boot manufacturers, ground keeper, khoda, zameen and asemoon and a whole bunch of others.

but writing paragraphs and paragraphs on these WILL NOT CHANGE AN IOTA OF THE FACT THAT MORE THAN 90% OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS F*CK UP IS ON IFF AND ITS BOSSES. and it is beyond decency to pick on the smaller ppl while the likes of kafashian, taaj, aliabadi, nabi, torabian, saeidloo, moeini, afsharzadeh, .... are not shredded to small pieces first.
BEYOND DECENCY


But, as I said, to each, his own

It is only you doing propaganda here.
I opened this thread to discuss Mansourian.
If you care to take about players stylists, jersey & boot manufacturers, ground keeper, IFF rest of your list go ahead start a new threat trash them as you like .
Trying to mix your propaganda into this thread won’t work.

[Doctor DOOM]

haji, before taking off (takhteh gaaz) on houman and probably making a case against him, I also mentioned the players stylists, jersey & boot manufacturers, ground keeper, khoda, zameen and asemoon and a whole bunch of others.

but writing paragraphs and paragraphs on these WILL NOT CHANGE AN IOTA OF THE FACT THAT MORE THAN 90% OF THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS F*CK UP IS ON IFF AND ITS BOSSES. and it is beyond decency to pick on the smaller ppl while the likes of kafashian, taaj, aliabadi, nabi, torabian, saeidloo, moeini, afsharzadeh, .... are not shredded to small pieces first.
BEYOND DECENCY


But, as I said, to each, his own

[St_Mark]

oh .. I forgot one more culprit: our own houman afazeli.
he is to be blamed for not telling ali mansour about kamyabikia's 2 yellows. right?
lets add him to the list of 23154 factor and ppl who bear responsibility.

but seriously, I wouldnt waste my time blaming someone who has a very minute role in this fiasco (I even think my earlier 10-15% assessment was too harsh on ali mansour. given the impact of such news on the team).

IFF and its bosses bear AT LEAST 90% of the responsibility. at least.
and I wont bring myself down to IFF's level to blame others when we have such a culprit still existing and shamelessly spreading the blame. my principles dont allow me to do that.

to each, his own

Now that you mention Houman:

Sure he may indeed share some responsibility. I hope if he read this , post his version and response.

This is an event that reported by Kamal & Houman

After away game in kyrghizstan, in airport Kamal asked Afazaeli about his 2 cards.
Kamal asked since they have advanced to first round would AFC wave his cards?

According to Kamal, Afazeli said may be yes, may be not and he will ask and let him know.

According To Afazeli, he told kamal, may be yes may be not we will inquire about it.
( Later on Afazeli said by "we" i mean IFF )

Next day Afazeli resigned and gone.
Would you think issue was not important for both party to follow up?

When Afazeli was selected he kept all assistant from Payrovani time since they have worked with Omid for years. When Mansourian was elected he did not keep any previous coach.


Mansouriann DID NOT select Kamyabinai (as I mentioned earlier) among rosters but he invited him after public criticism from few including Afazeli.

I will be very surprised if Afazeli did not see list for Iraq game . If he knew why not informed anyone. According to Mazdak Mirzaei one of former coach told him before the game. Why that coach or Mazdak did not tell Hajilu.

This disaster could have been prevented if some involve did responsible things


I hope Afazeli himself set the record correct.

[Doctor DOOM]

oh .. I forgot one more culprit: our own houman afazeli.
he is to be blamed for not telling ali mansour about kamyabikia's 2 yellows. right?
lets add him to the list of 23154 factor and ppl who bear responsibility.

but seriously, I wouldnt waste my time blaming someone who has a very minute role in this fiasco (I even think my earlier 10-15% assessment was too harsh on ali mansour. given the impact of such news on the team).

IFF and its bosses bear AT LEAST 90% of the responsibility. at least.
and I wont bring myself down to IFF's level to blame others when we have such a culprit still existing and shamelessly spreading the blame. my principles dont allow me to do that.

to each, his own

[St_Mark]

well, then why stop at mansourian?
lets blame their boots and boot manufacturers for not foreseeing such a situation and not designing the boots for proper "back-heels"
lets blame the lads' hair stylists for not thinking "aerodynamically"
lets blame the jersey co. for not making it slicker, therefore adding to the lads' pace
lets blame the parents of those poor lads for not rearing them like freaking hard, cold, emotionless ppl who dont get affected by such news
and lets not stop at parents. their teachers too are to be blamed as well.
lets blame the weather and rain.
lets blame the grounds keeper.
and more.
why, they all have to bear a part of the blame. and perhaps deserve a thread of their own!!!!!
oh, and lets not forget the fat guy on the plane. and his wife and the restaurant he visited the night before the flight.
very important

Once again"
My topic was to talk about Head coach responsibilities.
I have said IFF officials ( the most) , Omid head coaches and Managers, even players share some responsibilities.
Whoever caused this disaster or could have prevented but failed to do so is guilty of some degree.
Why i chose topic of Mansourian?
Because he is head coach of the team with very unique responsibilities and authorities.
I am sure you know all these and more yet bringing all that jazz fat & lady..... into this.
being angry, frustrated, trying to make it personal won't do anyone any good.