Team Melli future coach

[Doctor DOOM]

na agha jan ... I'm just a simple fan.
My knowledge doesnt come from coach training or courses ... only from watching a bit of football here and there, and observing the styles , capabilities and weakness/strength of different players we have available and then fitting it into a logical set up.

it may pay dirt or it may not. but it certainly is based on observations and logic.

there's nothing "speculating" about wanting an attacking formation for 3 games that we need to win.
I'm sorry, but it really doesnt require anything above 10th grade logic to acknowledge we need to get wins to be in contention. draws do NOT help us in anyway.

it is basic common sense that says a team that is too defensive will find it harder to score goals and win games than an attacking team. ( barring bizzare circumstances )

it is plain & simple observation of WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE to acknowledge simple, logical issues like our strikers are not exactly potent and by reducing their numbers among opponent defenders, we reduce whatever minimal capability they have!

and a lot of other LOGICAL and OBSERVATIONAL matters.

you dont need a coaching degree to know any of this, I'm afraid

[Martin-Reza]

hahahahaha

your obsession to antagonize is now bordering on hilarious.
perhaps you need to see a doctor ... I mean ANOTHER doctor ( not me )

anyway I didnt get what you're trying to say. so I'll "DRAW" it for you maybe that would make things easy.
( or perhaps it is ME who's not expressing himself well !)


--------------- def mid ---------------

RM ------------Playmaker-----------LM

---------- forward------forward-------


most basic formation. but imo, the most efficient as you get just about everything in this, ... especially if you want to WIN games.

This is a very offensive 4-1-3-2. I just want to know where your knowledge about tactical formation comes from. This is something completely different than a classic 4-4-2. Maybe I lack knowledge. I think you do. But if you can teach me something, I'd be glad.

I think you are speculating too much and knowing too little. That might sound harsh, but I don't mean it bad. I think you made up your mind about tactical systems too easily without noticing you had no good sources to build your knowledge in that department.

[Essi]

[Doctor DOOM]

Let me know what makes you think you could play a 4-4-2 like a diamond in midfield but with the 2 half-central midfielders together covering for the lost second central more defensive man play like real side midfielders instead without any further sacrifices to cover the area in center midfield better?

hahahahaha

your obsession to antagonize is now bordering on hilarious.
perhaps you need to see a doctor ... I mean ANOTHER doctor ( not me )

anyway I didnt get what you're trying to say. so I'll "DRAW" it for you maybe that would make things easy.
( or perhaps it is ME who's not expressing himself well !)


--------------- def mid ---------------

RM ------------Playmaker-----------LM

---------- forward------forward-------


most basic formation. but imo, the most efficient as you get just about everything in this, ... especially if you want to WIN games.

before you go touting barcelona, milan, holland, short-sazi, chalghooz FC, ... I will remind you we are talking about IRANIAN PLAYERS and IRANIAN PLAYERS' CAPABILITIES.

.... which include our strikers' impotency in goal scoring, our desperate need of wins, ...etc etc etc


hala bia ba kalleh bepar begoo "na.. na...na !!!"

[Paradigm]

john.duerden@hotmail.com

[pajamNL]

if you asked me straight up, who can actually help our football in an extreme short term, i could name a few possibilities, point is IFF would never appoint those coaches.

My (Dream)list would contain 90% dutch coaches, they shown in the last decade that they can succeed any where any time;

1. Louis van Gaal
2. Co Adriaanse
3. Fred Rutten

[Martin-Reza]

in plain & simple words:

in 4-4-2, you get your def mid, your playmaker AND the two strikers needed.

we saw clearly that foolishly packing the mid with def-mids does not mean they're able to control the middle or be a shield in front of the defenders.

so might as well throw out the second def-mid for someone who CAN HELP score goals.

No, you normally don't. That would be a 4-1-3-2, not the classic 4-4-2 in which you have 2 central midfielders. Where do you get your knowledge from? Mine is from kicker, an article analysing the tactical systems of the Bundesliga teams in 2007 in which they covered 4-4-2 (square), 4-4-2 (diamond), 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1 (callde "Christmas tree" due to the shape ), 4-3-3 and some threeback systems.

Let me know what makes you think you could play a 4-4-2 like a diamond in midfield but with the 2 half-central midfielders together covering for the lost second central more defensive man play like real side midfielders instead without any further sacrifices to cover the area in center midfield better?

4-1-3-2 is a risky thing. Daei indeed tried this a lot and I think it didn't improve our game at all.

[Doctor DOOM]

in plain & simple words:

in 4-4-2, you get your def mid, your playmaker AND the two strikers needed.

we saw clearly that foolishly packing the mid with def-mids does not mean they're able to control the middle or be a shield in front of the defenders.

so might as well throw out the second def-mid for someone who CAN HELP score goals.

[Martin-Reza]

Denizli also named as candidate now.

http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=853493

[Martin-Reza]

But there is no extra slot. The area must be covered. Now either have two strikers (4-4-2) or 1 striker and 1 playmaker (4-2-3-1). Or have a playmaker and two strikers, but sacrifice the width in midfield for it (4-4-2 diamond).

That are the realistic options against any serious opposition. The 4-1-3-2 is nothing which works against anyone but Singapore or in desperate final minutes of a game.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ I think that is plain wrong and naive, sorry. To think less defensive players improve results is nothing I agree with. It means less defensives stability, vulnarability and much more defensive work for each of the offensive players.

If you don't cover the crucial area ahead of the central defense, you will be punished. Of course solely lining up 2 DMs doesn't solve that as we saw.

plz dont twist my words.

I said we cant afford to use that one slot for a def-mid in our present situation.... WHEN THE TEAM NEEDS A PLAYMAKER for our forward moves, instead.

hope it is understood now.

[Martin-Reza]

Let me add that KSA played with 2 DMs against us and again against UAE today (for the full 90 mins).

[Martin-Reza]

^ I think that is plain wrong and naive, sorry. To think less defensive players improve results is nothing I agree with. It means less defensives stability, vulnarability and much more defensive work for each of the offensive players.

If you don't cover the crucial area ahead of the central defense, you will be punished. Of course solely lining up 2 DMs doesn't solve that as we saw.

[Doctor DOOM]

The main reason I ask for MK, apart from the explanation below ( in the signature ), is what many of us fail to include in their diagnosis.

at this time, a safe, sedate and cautious approcach is as good as elimination. we might as well not contest the remaining 3 games and forfeit , if we want to make sure we are safe here, we are secure there, .... etc.

at the moment, we NEED ( no other way about it ) a win in this game.
that's all. it is as black n white as it gets.
a win or nothing.

so given the requirements I'd say the MORE important area or zone we shd focus on is the forwards and midfield, where a team's positive moves take place.

focusing and relying on a safe back line, a safe def-mid, .... is good only in general circumstances where you have time.
not now.

right now, I'd say we have to make do with 1 def mid ... and if our star performer cant handle the extra duties of covering, intercepting, marking, ... well, then we shd replace him with another guy who can. but PAIRING him with another def-mid is stupid.

coz we SHOULD use that extra slot for an offensive player who can make things happen.

the senegal game showed this ( after 684665 previous proofs ... since some of us need a million examples to understand this matter !!! ). our moves are not strategic. they are JOON-KANDAN !!

faghat joon mikanim ... that's it. no direction, no purpose, no cohesion, no concerted move, ... nothing!
we just run around and hit ourselves against anything possible to get through!!!

so imo we need a team that SCORES as many as possible ... even if it concedes a couple.
not a team that is safe & secure at the back ... at the cost of not doing jack up front.


and here, MK has shown to be quite adept.
his teams do play offensive football. he likes offensive football himself.
and we NEED offensive football at the moment.

( God knows how many times I repeated the need for offensive football which meant finishing off the qualifiers as early as possible )

[Paradigm]

there indeed is a way to fix them:
you kick your def-mids ( whoever they are and however big they are ) and force them to understand they have to stick to their man. if need be, stand on the touch line like the rest of the good coaches in the world ( instead of sitting there being a spectator ) and EACH & EVERY TIME SCREAM UR ORDERS on corners or set pieces. each & every time.
if this has happened once, it has happened a 100 times more. it is the failure of the staff for either not noticing it, or not forcing the issue ( for whatever fraking reason they may have).
and if you see them fail to do so, in each & every game, have guts and get ur priorities straight and you bench them ..... until they understand they cannot have guarantees to start games just becoz they are who they are.
this team belongs to PPL who take care of their duties .. irrespective of their name or where they play

The answer to psychological problem is to bring back the ignored players who have motovation to prove their points. Dr D by the way honestly Ghotbi is the best man for the job. MK cannot be trusted to bring a result from the turf of the Koreans. He will totally chicken out there. By the way we need Karimi, Mobali, Kazemian, Zandi, Teymourian (for defense), back in TM. Kaabi and Kia must be let go. There has to be a big shuffle to change the psychology. I also want Mirzapour back, he is the goal-keeper of Saipa. Could it be they are doing well because of him? Rahmati is too negative nowadays to go on.