Iran vs. UAE Game [merged]

[yashar_fasihnia]

I understand what yashar is trying with his poll in the general forum.
by saying there are various reasons we are in this mess.
absolutely correct.

but if you think I'm picking on the player selection and formation and tactics ONLY and beleive there are no other causes, you are mistaken.

you have to understand I am not going to talk about the miserable infrastructure or player development or youth system or lack of facilities or .... or even how aliabadi and kafashian and co ruined our football and ... at this point , simply becoz this is not the time and more importantly, NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THESE FACTORS IN THE NEXT 2-3 WEEKS.

but what CAN be done are :
- player selection
- correct formation
- correct tactics
- mental preparation of players

smaller points like
- set pieces
- shooting

and such superficial remedies.

that's why I'm talking about these only.
dont assume I dont know where the REAL problem lies here.
but nothing can be done about those things in the next 2-3 weeks.
unless you have the magic wand.

doctor, i agree with u. clearly our actualy problems are rooted deep within our whole countries infrastructure and the base it has been built for 30 years.

the poll like i said, i wish we could have a multiple poll so we could rank the factors from more weightage in causing damage to less weightage causing damage. afterall, im sure everybody agrees not all factors cause the same damage to a team!
but unfortunately, PFDC cant create a poll where u can have multiple votes but also votr in priorty at the same time.

thats why i asked everyone to list the other reasons other than the one they voted for in priorty to give us a better perspective.
if i had openned a multiple poll, we would have say 50 members voting and each factor being voted around 45 -50 times! now this poll wouldnt really indicate anything except that all these factors are obstacles to TMs performance would it? but we knew this even before openning the poll anywayz! so in essence, the poll is meaningless that way!

but ur very welcome to open a similar poll with modifications if u think it will yield more accurate results and i will gladgy participate in that

[yashar_fasihnia]

^ exactly.

while uae will have some pressure on it, it will be nowhere near what we are facing. and trust me, it will compile by saturday.
and they know it too and will make use of it to their advantage.

expect a lot of typical unsportsmanship , not only in the game, but from the moment TM enters uae.

look at it this way: they have a lot at stake here and will make sure we suffer as much as possible. what will motivate them to resort to the usual stuff ?

1- they havent clinched it yet and if a couple of twists happen, they could be eliminated. it could be syria and iran.

2- if they knock out iran, which is far more formidable than syria, they increase their chances of qualifying for the WC from the next stage. who knows if the other team of this group could fall into the next stage's group also.


from the outside the pitch typical antics, to the pitch , which they know the more time passes and the score is 0-0, the more hassled and stressed we get and that plays in their favor too.

a couple of rough tackles here and there to add to it,
if they get lucky, a couple of sk1rmishes and fights which would eat up into the minutes,
their usual grass rolling, ....

you see, football-wise they dont have to do much. they can sit back and defend for 90 minutes and come out the winner finally.

this is why TM shd be formed READY for all this.
and they shd attack from minute 1. not like the last game, at min 75.

by attack I dont count EXILING a player to the island surrounded by 2-3 defenders in opponent's 18. coz we have seen that has NEVER, EVER worked for us.
the only thing that achieves for us is reduce our line up to 10 men. and make the poor exiled striker a target of hatred for fans !

we better recognize what we've been doing till now hasnt been working.
you either lay down and die.
or you try to change things..... and we know mere changing X with Y has NEVER MADE A JOT OF A DIFFERENCE.

havent we tried samereh, khalili, enayati, VH, meydavoodi, .... are , oore shamsi kooreh as the single forward?
what has been the result?
how many goals have these single strikers scored for us?

dont just take my word for it.
go back as many years as you want.
I remember as long as I can and cant come up with any respectable stats for the single forward line up where strikers scored enough goals.

unless you play piss poor teams like lybia or azerbaijan or panama.


why doesnt that ring any bell?
how many times are we going to put our hands into the fire, expecting to feel cold instead of heat ... and in the end get burned each & every time?
how many times?

in medical science and in reality ( persi can vouch for this ) you do that more than a few times ( way fewer than we've done at TM ) and you develop CANCER.
I ask you, isnt this , what we see right now, the inability to score , the very CANCER we've caused ?

( or NECROSIS, btw. take ur pick. neither is pleasant & both can be applied to our present situation )

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neither would crowding most of our players too deep into our line up help with matters of scoring goals.
it never has. and it's pretty naive and stupid to think it suddenly, & magically will today.

I'm not even going over the shape these 2 def-mids are !

yashar jan believes that ensures the safety of our goal.
fine. lets give him that.
without going over the quality of teams we've faced and how that has paid back, we'll say lets take that as a given.

BUT that's not going to get the goals for us, is it now?
that ensures we dont concede and given that we dont have enough players up front to score , and also the fact that we dont have the QUALITY of players who , even if outnumbered , can still score goals ( as is in this formation ) , what has that got us?
lots of 0-0 draws.

I ask you, will another couple of 0-0's serve our cause?
if you say yes and you are more bothered about not conceding, then more power to you.
really.
coz you'd need it in the real world .... badly.

thanx for ur post doctor doom, i was enjoying it in the beginning until u started the whole 1 striker 2 DM thingy.

so,
-thanx for the first part of ur post. it was great. i also would like to add the fact there have been cases before were our TM was not treated properly. we had delays in the airport due to visa problems or hotel bookings or no proper training grounds, etc. so i wont be surprised it will happen again.

-as for the second part of ur post about 1 striker and 2 DMs, not repeating all those detailed discussions we went through, let me just say this. just because we play with 2 DMs and 1 striker doesnt mean we wont score any goals or our offense will be weak. perspolis and sepahan played the same 4-2-3-1 and got the best results both offensively and defensively both inside iran against iranian teams and outside iran in asia against west asian and east asian teams. so its a formation that doesnt work only for portugal and worldclass teams but iranian teams and players as well. many of the same TM players play 4-2-3-1 in their clubs as well.

[Doctor DOOM]

I understand what yashar is trying with his poll in the general forum.
by saying there are various reasons we are in this mess.
absolutely correct.

but if you think I'm picking on the player selection and formation and tactics ONLY and beleive there are no other causes, you are mistaken.

you have to understand I am not going to talk about the miserable infrastructure or player development or youth system or lack of facilities or .... or even how aliabadi and kafashian and co ruined our football and ... at this point , simply becoz this is not the time and more importantly, NOTHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT THESE FACTORS IN THE NEXT 2-3 WEEKS.

but what CAN be done are :
- player selection
- correct formation
- correct tactics
- mental preparation of players

smaller points like
- set pieces
- shooting

and such superficial remedies.

that's why I'm talking about these only.
dont assume I dont know where the REAL problem lies here.
but nothing can be done about those things in the next 2-3 weeks.
unless you have the magic wand.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ exactly.

while uae will have some pressure on it, it will be nowhere near what we are facing. and trust me, it will compile by saturday.
and they know it too and will make use of it to their advantage.

expect a lot of typical unsportsmanship , not only in the game, but from the moment TM enters uae.

look at it this way: they have a lot at stake here and will make sure we suffer as much as possible. what will motivate them to resort to the usual stuff ?

1- they havent clinched it yet and if a couple of twists happen, they could be eliminated. it could be syria and iran.

2- if they knock out iran, which is far more formidable than syria, they increase their chances of qualifying for the WC from the next stage. who knows if the other team of this group could fall into the next stage's group also.


from the outside the pitch typical antics, to the pitch , which they know the more time passes and the score is 0-0, the more hassled and stressed we get and that plays in their favor too.

a couple of rough tackles here and there to add to it,
if they get lucky, a couple of sk1rmishes and fights which would eat up into the minutes,
their usual grass rolling, ....

you see, football-wise they dont have to do much. they can sit back and defend for 90 minutes and come out the winner finally.

this is why TM shd be formed READY for all this.
and they shd attack from minute 1. not like the last game, at min 75.

by attack I dont count EXILING a player to the island surrounded by 2-3 defenders in opponent's 18. coz we have seen that has NEVER, EVER worked for us.
the only thing that achieves for us is reduce our line up to 10 men. and make the poor exiled striker a target of hatred for fans !

we better recognize what we've been doing till now hasnt been working.
you either lay down and die.
or you try to change things..... and we know mere changing X with Y has NEVER MADE A JOT OF A DIFFERENCE.

havent we tried samereh, khalili, enayati, VH, meydavoodi, .... are , oore shamsi kooreh as the single forward?
what has been the result?
how many goals have these single strikers scored for us?

dont just take my word for it.
go back as many years as you want.
I remember as long as I can and cant come up with any respectable stats for the single forward line up where strikers scored enough goals.

unless you play piss poor teams like lybia or azerbaijan or panama.


why doesnt that ring any bell?
how many times are we going to put our hands into the fire, expecting to feel cold instead of heat ... and in the end get burned each & every time?
how many times?

in medical science and in reality ( persi can vouch for this ) you do that more than a few times ( way fewer than we've done at TM ) and you develop CANCER.
I ask you, isnt this , what we see right now, the inability to score , the very CANCER we've caused ?

( or NECROSIS, btw. take ur pick. neither is pleasant & both can be applied to our present situation )

---------------

neither would crowding most of our players too deep into our line up help with matters of scoring goals.
it never has. and it's pretty naive and stupid to think it suddenly, & magically will today.

I'm not even going over the shape these 2 def-mids are !

yashar jan believes that ensures the safety of our goal.
fine. lets give him that.
without going over the quality of teams we've faced and how that has paid back, we'll say lets take that as a given.

BUT that's not going to get the goals for us, is it now?
that ensures we dont concede and given that we dont have enough players up front to score , and also the fact that we dont have the QUALITY of players who , even if outnumbered , can still score goals ( as is in this formation ) , what has that got us?
lots of 0-0 draws.

I ask you, will another couple of 0-0's serve our cause?
if you say yes and you are more bothered about not conceding, then more power to you.
really.
coz you'd need it in the real world .... badly.

[yashar_fasihnia]

On Saturday , I believe the pressure will be on UAE. They will be the underdogs in their own country.

Interesting observation from the Dubai TV Panel after the match on Monday was the constant reminder that UAE players should not be complacent because Iran is a quality team that can hit back before they know it.
Also all the panelist agreed that Iran plays better outside Azadi and they have proved it time and again.

Somehow , I tend to agree with the panelist.

I don't think that Daei will have a major change of plan , but he may change the line up slightly and Nikbakht could be a starter. I don't know what he will do with Teymourian though...I am just pretty nervous with him around in the team..he is a laibilty.

majid jan, i dunno if the pressure will be more on UAE or on iran.
the reason im saying this is because UAE is leading the group with 5 points and 3 games left. metsu knowing iran is the most difficult game can very well plan to get a draw against us and then 2 victories or even 1 victory and 1 draw in the next 2 games will help him qualify.

however, us on the other hand are 3rd in the group with 3 points and we desperately need a win.

in my opinion, there is more pressure on us than them.

[yashar_fasihnia]

BTW: Peyman Jan...I am also a full force Sayed , From father side , Mother, both Grand fathers and Grand Mothers.... So . easy on Seyeds ..Lotfan

if ur both parents and grandparents are seyeds, doesnt that make u something like tabatabaei or something, atleast in the shia belief?

[maij]

mozd an gereft ke kar kard
simple as that
other teams are working hard with the rite plan and building up
then they step on the pitch and follow command

and we are nothing different than what we have always been

a sparkle here and there based on individual talent..for about say 30 years now !!

Very true indeed.....

[perspolees]

mozd an gereft ke kar kard
simple as that
other teams are working hard with the rite plan and building up
then they step on the pitch and follow command

and we are nothing different than what we have always been

a sparkle here and there based on individual talent..for about say 30 years now !!

[maij]

On Saturday , I believe the pressure will be on UAE. They will be the underdogs in their own country.

Interesting observation from the Dubai TV Panel after the match on Monday was the constant reminder that UAE players should not be complacent because Iran is a quality team that can hit back before they know it.
Also all the panelist agreed that Iran plays better outside Azadi and they have proved it time and again.

Somehow , I tend to agree with the panelist.

I don't think that Daei will have a major change of plan , but he may change the line up slightly and Nikbakht could be a starter. I don't know what he will do with Teymourian though...I am just pretty nervous with him around in the team..he is a laibilty.

[maij]

ooooo, you seyeds. always trying to get ur next of kin into high places !!!!

BTW: Peyman Jan...I am also a full force Sayed , From father side , Mother, both Grand fathers and Grand Mothers.... So . easy on Seyeds ..Lotfan

[BehzadB]

I just watched the first half (had seen the second half already)..

this team look pretty tired.. there was no speed from the back guys going from defense to offense. Nekounam, teymourian, both were pretty slow joining the attack..

we had a couple of good chances ,but didn't happen.. UAE was one goal away from getting blown out..

but most importantly, I think Daie needs to calm his players down. He has to breath confidence into them.

[Doctor DOOM]

ooooo, you seyeds. always trying to get ur next of kin into high places !!!!

[Hajagha]

ok. now that ehsan's "haji"-dom ( but not his "seyed"-ism ) has been established, is he fit to play for TM, haji ?

Can't you see my causin plays for the team? Give me a break and fire the other 10.

[Hajagha]

Hheeeeeheee

Reza Jan...bekhoda damet Garm.....You really gave me a good laugh after this depression....

I can visualize you scratching your head while saying :

Akhe man midonstamm Yek , Seyedi Ya Haji ya hojatelIslami dar team melli bazi mikond ..... misle keh bache akhondha ham zoorashan be Team Melli raseed..... Vally ein tefleki "Ehsan" be ishtbah geriftam....Vallah..

Good observation Majid jan. I exactly did that.

[Doctor DOOM]

ok. now that ehsan's "haji"-dom ( but not his "seyed"-ism ) has been established, is he fit to play for TM, haji ?