NBA 2011-12 Season discussion (Your opinions on the Lockout?)

[Makan]

FA and Training Camp will begin on December 9; 66 game season will begin on December 25th, Christmas day.

Edit: My new favorite gif

[Masoud_A]

[Masoud_A]

The NBA and the Players Association have reached a tentative agreement to end the five-month old lockout and start the league’s 2011-12 season on Dec. 25.
After 16 hours of negotiations Friday, the two sides reached a handshake agreement a little after 3 a.m. ET in New York. Both sides must still get a majority vote from the 29 owners and 450 players to finalize the agreement – as well as negotiate a series of smaller issues like a drug testing policy.
The owners made “significant moves” toward the players on several important system issues that long separated the two sides, a union source told Yahoo! Sports Saturday morning. “There’s still some tweaking to those that needs to be done,” the source said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ajp6wECnrJfxWy6cheELvdY5nYcB?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_lockout_ends-112611

[Makan]

but college basketball sucks lol

I used to think the exact same thing. I always felt that by halftime you already knew who would win, because the matchups always seemed so lop-sided. But I started watching NCAAB quite religiously just last year, and I was amazed to see how many great, very close, games there were. I also seriously watched March Madness for the first time in my whole life, and it was an exceptionally dramatic experience through and through.

The College game also has better fan culture and stadium atmosphere, something the NBA has had huge problems with. I wish the NBA could go back to what it was in the 90's.

[Darvish11]

Stadium attendance has been waning (the averages have fallen behind the MLS for **** sake),.

I couldnt believe that so i had to look it up...http://articles.businessinsider.com/...mls-attendance

WOW thats crazy...statistically not a fair comparison at all but I still cant believe it. Thats some racket baseball has going for em...162 games a team, 30,000 ppl for each game...makes me sick

but college basketball sucks lol

[Makan]

The NBA has cemented its role in the American sports world as a joke. Stadium attendance has been waning (the averages have fallen behind the MLS for **** sake), television viewership has taken a back seat to both MLB and NFL, the referee scandal happened, and now this lockout has the league losing fans like never before. It's going to be a few years before I'll start caring about the NBA again. It was already heading in that direction for me recently, when seeing the same players get the same star calls over and over and over again finally struck a nerve and I realized what kind of a joke the whole league was... which is a shame, I suppose, given that basketball was my first true athletic love.

College Basketball is where it's at, and arguably has been for a long time. The players are young so they make the kind of mistakes you would make if you were on the court, there's a more diverse talent pool, everyone's got good players and bad players, no behemoth monster calls, better fan culture, March Madness makes for some of the most exciting times and matchups in all sports, etc.

[Ghormeh Sabzi]

shame on these rich cry baby bastards......there will probably be NO NBA season cuz of some minor crap


this means THOUSANDS of jobless people this year cuz these rich people dont wanna take a little paycut and downgrade from driving a $300K car to a $250K car

I hope you are talking about the owners and not the players.

[Darvish11]

players went from 57% of BRI to 50....that should have been more than enough...imo the players misplayed their hand at the end, they shouldve made a counter offer instead of flat out rejecting it, but i cant BELIEVE that a 7% increase in the owners BRI wasnt enough. Thats crazy

[Masoud_A]

No basketball makes me sad...

[EKBATAN]

shame on these rich cry baby bastards......there will probably be NO NBA season cuz of some minor crap


this means THOUSANDS of jobless people this year cuz these rich people dont wanna take a little paycut and downgrade from driving a $300K car to a $250K car

[AKA MASHSAEED]

rumor; hadadi to lakers

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

hadadi deported back to iran

[Masoud_A]

Meanwhile Lebron is taking his talents to the next level:

[EKBATAN]

but who exactly is asking for a raise? the union members are most likely not players or former players...so it seems like they need a raise, not the actual players. Are there specific players coming out saying 'im broke and cant pay my bills' ? usually these unions are ran by @holes and have ridiculous demands

[Masoud_A]

Wondering what are NBA players up to during the lockout?
Kevin Durant is visiting China:
Gilbert Arenas started the Planking craze among his colleagues:



Dwight Howard:





John Wall:


Vince Carter:


Seems like Melo got it wrong:


I think I found the first example:

[Masoud_A]

At first I was on the owners side because all the players make their guaranteed money but the nba claimed 22 of the 30 teams lost money. In this case, yes there needs to be some serious restructuring. But now if you look at their actual accounting documents, there is an accounting principle which takes part of the amount that the owner bought the team for and counts it as a loss so the budget balances. Thats why the PA isnt buying all of that losing money crap

The fact that only a few teams can be considered profitable franchises is true, additionally players' salaries being the bigger part of the expenses is true as well. But I believe the 45% suggested by the owners is ridiculous and they should raise it up as high as 52-54% like what the players' Union is asking.