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[Amir H F]

Also, clevelands defense is MUCH better than phillys, philadelphia allows over 101 ppg, cleveland only 95. So that also shows how much more lebron has to work with than Iverson.

Ah yes the good ol' "pre-game excuses" keep em comin big guy...

[Amir H F]

Just found this in the paper, odds of MVP this season:

Billups 3-1
Nash 4-1
Kobe 5-1
Wade 6-1
Nowitzki 8-1
James 10-1

Personally I think James or Bryant should get it, but if they start giving it to James now he will end up with like 6-7 by the end of his career!!!
By the way NYC wheres the "best player" in the NBA? not even in the top 6 of the media odds? hmmm interesting.

[milad]

And you keep bringing up lebron's stats. There are 4 major statistics in the NBA, points, assists, rebounds, and steals.
Points- Advantage Iverson
Assists- Advantage Iverson
Rebounds- Advantage James
Steals- Advantage Iverson
So statistically, Iverson is CLEARLY better than James.
And i didnt even know this, but Lebron only has 5 more double doubles than Iverson! And iversons were much more difficult because getting 10 assists is much harder than getting 10 rebounds. Only 1 player in the NBA is averaging more than 9.5 assists per game, while there are 11 players averaging more than that in rebounds!

obviously iverson is better than lebron. the only reason he has more rebounds is because hes half a foot taller.

and amir, you play basketball, you should know how hard it is shooting over someone 6 inches taller than you (iversons opponents average height difference per game). what else do you want? iverson is better in almost every category than lebron (except the height related ones- rebounds, blocks, double-doubles as nyc mentioned). and iverson took his team to the playoffs for the last i dunno how many years and they actually made it far sometimes thanks to iversons 50 point games (while getting 10 assists). iverson is clearly better than lebron.

mcgrady sucks this season so theres no way he can be better than iverson (never was anyways).

the only valid argument you have is kobe. the only reason kobe is outscoring iverson for the first time, is because hes dying to be 1st for once and hes giving scoring all his attention. iverson could score 37ppg if he sacrificed 3 less apg like kobe. kobe is slightly better in ft and 3pt but its nothing big.

[milad]

Just found this in the paper, odds of MVP this season:
Billups 3-1
Nash 4-1
Kobe 5-1
Wade 6-1
Nowitzki 8-1
James 10-1
Personally I think James or Bryant should get it, but if they start giving it to James now he will end up with like 6-7 by the end of his career!!!
By the way NYC wheres the "best player" in the NBA? not even in the top 6 of the media odds? hmmm interesting.

first of all, mvp is different from "best player". plus, i wonder who #7 is.

no one can possibly help their team out more than iverson. 7.5 assists while scoring 33 a game... no one can do this in the nba right now. its not iversons fault that those players teams are better because its impossible to help more than iverson. chancey billups lol... iverson has 1 less assist per game and 14 more ppg.

[MoJo23]

Just found this in the paper, odds of MVP this season:
Billups 3-1
Nash 4-1
Kobe 5-1
Wade 6-1
Nowitzki 8-1
James 10-1
Personally I think James or Bryant should get it, but if they start giving it to James now he will end up with like 6-7 by the end of his career!!!
By the way NYC wheres the "best player" in the NBA? not even in the top 6 of the media odds? hmmm interesting.

As a pistons fan, i didn't think that Billups would have a 3-1 chance of getting the MVP in front of Kobe. I would have thought that Kobe would be first, then Chauncy and then Lebron and then Nash.

But if Chauncy plays the same way that hes playing till the start of the playoffs and leads the Pistons to the overall best record, then i would say that he deserves the MVP.

[Amir H F]

first of all, mvp is different from "best player". plus, i wonder who #7 is.
no one can possibly help their team out more than iverson. 7.5 assists while scoring 33 a game... no one can do this in the nba right now. its not iversons fault that those players teams are better because its impossible to help more than iverson. chancey billups lol... iverson has 1 less assist per game and 14 more ppg.

I dont know how I could have made it any clearer to you and nyc??? do you not read my posts? I just proved completely why he's not the best and yes many players can provide those numbers and have, you would know that if you read any of my posts dude.

[Amir H F]

As a pistons fan, i didn't think that Billups would have a 3-1 chance of getting the MVP in front of Kobe. I would have thought that Kobe would be first, then Chauncy and then Lebron and then Nash.
But if Chauncy plays the same way that hes playing till the start of the playoffs and leads the Pistons to the overall best record, then i would say that he deserves the MVP.

Yeah I was quite shocked myself to see these odds...But I guess a big part of him being up there is because the tremendous success his team has had, I personally like the guy but think Kobe, James, or Wade deserve it a bit more, but we will see...

By the way Halftime Cleveland 69-50 76ers. Iverson has 22pts, 7assts. James 19 pts, 5 assts, 2 rebs. Similar stats so far. By the way NYC I was SO glad to see Illgauskas is not playing tonight just to prove to your face that James and the Cavs can dominate without him!!!! uh what now?

[MoJo23]

Half time Score:

Cleveland 69-50 Philedelphia

Allen Iverson:

FGM-A---3PM-A--FTM-A--Rebounds--Assists--Steals--Turnovers--Points-
5-13-----0-0-----12-12-----1---------7-------1--------1---------22--

Lebron James

FGM-A---3PM-A--FTM-A--Rebounds--Assists--Steals--Turnovers--Points-
7-13-----1-4------4-5-------2---------5-------1--------2---------19--

EDIT- oops sorry Amir, u posted that while i was typing this. But i guess you might want to see all of the stats.

[Amir H F]

Thanks for the complete stats Mojo, see look at that 12 of his 22 points are from the free throw line, what a wimp he's learned a loophole in the league by knowing what the refs will call and uses it to his advantage to rack up points.

[MoJo23]

Final Score:

Cleveland 124-91 Philedelphia
WOW, the sixers got their ass beat by the cavaliers, even without Ilgauskaus.

Allen Iverson:
FGM-A---3PM-A--FTM-A--Rebounds--Assists--Steals--Turnovers--Points-
10-25-----1-3-----17-19-----1---------8-------1--------3---------38--

Lebron James
FGM-A---3PM-A--FTM-A--Rebounds--Assists--Steals--Turnovers--Points-
13-22-----4-10----7-9-------4---------7-------4--------3---------37--

[Amir H F]

Final Score: Cleveland 124-91 76ers (33 points! )

Iverson: 38 points, 8 assists, 1 rebound, 1 steal, 3 turnovers, 10-25 FG, 17-19 FT

James: 37 points, 7 assists, 4 rebounds, 4 steals, 3 turnovers, 13-22 FG, 7-9 FT

-James played 35mins, Iverson played 38mins

So again my points have been clarified again tonight....Iverson gets 17 of his points from the free throw line he shoots alot but doesnt make many, he cant lead his team to victory despite Webber putting up 25pts 9rebs 5assts. AND all of this without Ilguaskas which the player you were referring to as a big contributor to James' success!!! Again tonight was proof I was right!!! Where are you now NYC???

Sorry Mojo didnt realize you posted too Its ok we both provided stats.

[Darvish11]

Wow, what an amazing performance by the role players, Dalembert putting up2, which is actually more than his usual, iguodala with four points on 4 free throws. Well, at least he can make free throws...
And what a performance by that stifling D by philadelphia, only 124 points today, way to go!

This game is a perfect example of what kind of situation iverson is in compared lebron. Philadelphia is horrible, and Iverson has to do EVERYTHING. So what if illgauskas wasnt there? As I have said several times, They have other players to help Lebron. Iverson has 1! What did Lebron do a couple years ago when his team sucked? NOTHING! Iverson takes his shit teammates to the playoffs year in and year out!
And you tell Milad you have proved that lebron is better. You havent proved shit! There is no valid arguement that proves lebron to be better than iverson. Iverson is better statistically (dont give this "slightly higher" :bs:, those 3 points and 2 assists come from 70 something games of consistently outperforming lebron), Iverson has more credentials, and has accomplished way more than lebron.

So let us judge from this game who is better ONCE AND FOR ALL:

Iverson- 38 points, 8 assists

Lebron- 37 points, 7 assists
38>37
8>7

IVERSON > LEBRON

CASE CLOSED.

[Amir H F]

Wow, what an amazing performance by the role players, Dalembert putting up2, which is actually more than his usual, iguodala with four points on 4 free throws. Well, at least he can make free throws...
And what a performance by that stifling D by philadelphia, only 124 points today, way to go!
This game is a perfect example of what kind of situation iverson is in compared lebron. Philadelphia is horrible, and Iverson has to do EVERYTHING. So what if illgauskas wasnt there? As I have said several times, They have other players to help Lebron. Iverson has 1! What did Lebron do a couple years ago when his team sucked? NOTHING! Iverson takes his shit teammates to the playoffs year in and year out!
And you tell Milad you have proved that lebron is better. You havent proved shit! There is no valid arguement that proves lebron to be better than iverson. Iverson is better statistically (dont give this "slightly higher" :bs:, those 3 points and 2 assists come from 70 something games of consistently outperforming lebron), Iverson has more credentials, and has accomplished way more than lebron.
So let us judge from this game who is better ONCE AND FOR ALL:
Iverson- 38 points, 8 assists
Lebron- 37 points, 7 assists
38>37
8>7
IVERSON > LEBRON
CASE CLOSED.

Ok before you put a decent argument, but now I hate to say it but your just stupid dude Im not arguing with a kid who aint got shit and talks out his ass! you could just be talking out of frustration but look at that last thing you wrote: 38 and 8 is better than 37 and 7 and ignoring EVERY other aspect? plain and simple STUPIDITY! CASE CLOSED Im not arguing with a kid who dont know what he's sayin no more!!! I was right in the end heeeelll yeaahhhh! PEACE lil dude.

[Arian]

iverson didn't even put a splended performance tonight and he still got 38 points!!! cant argue that amir
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[Amir H F]

iverson didn't even put a splended performance tonight and he still got 38 points!!! cant argue that amir

I know that what some of you dont understand is that I agree he is a very good player but I am only the fact that he is not "the best player in the NBA" this season, thats all! and I dont think he makes the top three either, maybe top 5. You guys think I say he sucks or somethin?