you guys should respect german football....

[yashar_fasihnia]

90% of the posts here are off topic.

I dont get why you guys cant post your bayern - barca comments in the bayern thread

exactly, while noone is even trying to justify bayerns loss to barca, people are still claiming we are making excuses!

i dont know how much more embaressing results bayern is going to get before they sack kilinzman.
btw if you guys think bayern could have got anything from this match had they had all their absent players, THINK AGAIN!
don't like to use these words against bayern but barca really toyed around with bayern the entire game, we just wanted to conserve energy for the tight schedule we have, since the 4-0 was enough to get us thorough even if we play c team in munich.
these days must really sad days for bayern fans.

again,

1)barca didnt stop at 4-0. they tried more in the 2nd half, specially the first half an hour but couldnt score any more, last 15 minutes they just cooled down. we all saw the game with our own eyes, so please dont take a pissed off rensing's comments as the truth. rensing is the same guy who lashed back at karl heinze rummenige after rumennige criticized his performance! he is young and arrogant!

2) if bayern would have played with its full squad, we definitely wouldnt have played so bad and probably would have lost with a smaller margin, and hence, it wouldnt be a big fuss cos it would be a usual CL game with 1 team winning.

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now about the klinsman comment, i dont know how much of the blame he shoudl take. we are probably the only team in the bundesliga who doesnt have a DM.
with the departure of hargreaves to man utd and demichellis solidfying his position as a CB, we dont have a defensive midfielder, so we are forcing van bommel to play as one!
we have a very young inexperienced keeper and we have pathetic full backs except for lahm.
as u can see, our defensive aspect is pissssssss poor which explains the 2-3 heavy losses under klinsman.
i would blame klinsman and the bayern management for overlooking this aspect of the squad, more than the heavy losses.

we would still have lost games, but if we had ATLEAST either one of a quality DM or a quality GK, we wouldnt lose with such heavy margins! and this is wat is making the difference now. but at the end of the day, wat goes under klinsmans CV are these results and nothing else, so he has to be blamed for it as well.

however, on the other hand, the fact that klinsman is not very experienced, and this bayern team doesnt really have the fighting spirit that the germans are known for, could be flaws on klinsmans side.

[chuck bass]

1)i didnt make up excuses, so get that STRAIGHT! did i say we played good? did i say we were unlucky? did i say we didnt get outplayed and didnt deserve to lose? so wat "excuses" did i make?
i reminded everyone the circumstances surrounding that game which was the truth and inspite of that, i said we would still lose even with a fully fit squad, but probably with a better performance and a smaller margin, DIDNT I? SO AGAIN, WHERE DID I MAKE EXCUSES?
it was a total justifiable loss and i never said anything positive about bayern in the game! u on the other hand be a man and accept that we played without 5 or 6 of our starters FOR WATEVER reason AT NOUCAMP WHILE BARCA PLAYED A 100% FIT SQUAD!
like i said, my guess is that if we had played a fully fit squad against ur fully fit squad, we would probably lose be a lesser margin and wouldnt play that poor!
i dont see where im making excuses here and if u dont want to accept such a TRIVIAL point, then the only person being in denial is u!

i would like to see how barca would play if they didnt have valdez, puyol, marquez, alvez, abidal & henry AWAY! u think it wont make A MAJOR DIFFERENCE in ur performance?
here is ur chance, lets see u answer this question of mine WITHOUT MAKING EXCUSES!


2)i never said if bayern had the same budget as the other european powerhouses we would put the entire europe in our back pockets,but we would surely play better and progress further than the quarter finals in CL. at the end of the day, only one team becomes a champion and if we had the same budget they did, our chances of winning would be significantly more.AGAIN, ANOTHER TRIVIAL POINT!
and just a reminder, just because some teams mismanage their money and cant succeed with so much of spending doesnt mean every team will fail inspite of spending so much!


3)and the scoreline isnt respectful at all, no 4-0 scoreline is respectful to any team!
BUT, u cant compare the 2 circumstances of bayern losing 4-0 to barca and madrid losing 4-0 to liverpool because:
a)madrid has a stronger squad with MUCH MORE depth on the bench than bayern.
b)liverpool didnt play with a 100& fully fit squad unlike barca (if i remember correctly? need confirmation on this plz)
c)barca is arguably the strongest team in the world at the moment, the results, the stats and the performances are clear indications of that. they are a better team than liverpool.
d)madrid's budget is much more than bayerns, and again, their players get paid astronomical salaries compared to bundesliga players who all are enforced salary caps!

and inspite of all this, we made it 1 step further than madrid in the tournament. yes, i know we got sporting lisbon and they got liverpool but hey, its their fault they ended up 2nd in the group stage and lost to juve on their own ground while we ended up first BY BEATING LYON IN FRANCE ITSELF! so we made our own destiny and got a good draw as well while they made theirs and ended up getting liverpool!

we were missing half of our starting defence; millito and abidal..so our squad wasn't 100% fit

the gk wasn't even missing, he was benched. the coach will field the team he feels is best out of the available players, and he clearly felt that butt was a better choice than rensing for this game. besides, do you honestly think rensing would've made ANY difference at all?

also bayern didn't exactly field their u19 team..just look at the midfield:Ribery, Sweinsteiger (not sure how to spell his name), Van Bommel and Ze Roberto: all of them play for their respective national teams, which are all top 10 national teams. demichelis also plays for argentina, and lell has played for germany. toni plays for italia and is one of the worlds top 10 (5?) strikers

btw earlier this season, we beat atletico madrid 3-0 AWAY while resting 9 players, so your argument is invalid lol. there you go, a answer to your question without excuses

no milad jan you misunderstood me. you guys took my thread topic to a different topic.


you can attack eachother as much as you want, idc but this thread isn't aboput that you know

[milad]

Manchester United Declared The World's Richest Club Ahead Of Real Madrid - Report

There are concerns about the global economy at the moment, but football is continuing to coin it in as this year's Forbes rich list shows...


Manchester United have retained their position as the world's richest football club ahead of Real Madrid and join nine other Premier League teams in the top 25.
The Red Devils' are considered to be worth €1.42 billion by Forbes, well ahead of los Merengues, who are reported to be worth a figure of €1.03b.

Arsenal are, somewhat surprisingly, in third position, while Barcelona are in seventh place, despite their overall wealth increasing by 22 per cent from last year's summary.

Madrid and the Blaugrana are the only two Spanish representatives on the list. There are also four Italian sides, five teams from the Bundesliga, two French sides and the Old Firm representing Scotland.

The show of strength from the Premier League is highlighted by Tottenham Hotspur's position of 11th, which places them above Inter, Roma and Olympique Lyonnais.

Spurs have only won two League Cups in the last ten seasons and never qualified for the Champions League.

Chelsea's value only sees them make it into eighth place while Manchester City are back in 17th with a value of just €236 million, less than both Hamburg and Borussia Dortmund.

Top 25 clubs: (€, 000,000's)

1 Manchester United 1,423
2 Real Madrid 1,030
3 Arsenal 913
4 Bayern Munich 845
5 Liverpool 768
6 Milan 753
7 Barcelona 730
8 Chelsea 609
9 Juventus 457
10 Schalke 04 388
11 Tottenham Hotspur 339
12 Olympique Lyonnais 322
13 Roma 290
14 Inter Milan 281
15 Hamburg 251
16 Borussia Dortmund 247
17 Manchester City 236
18 Werder Bremen 222
19 Newcastle United 217
20 Stuttgart 201
21 Aston Villa 183
21 Olympique de Marseille183
23 Celtic 166
24 Everton 158
25 Rangers 148

http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/04/10/1202037/manchester-united-declared-the-worlds-richest-club-ahead-of-real-

non top 4 english clubs suck with all that money they are not better than spanish/german teams. this just proves how good la liga is because only barca and real are on this list but there are still all these quality teams like valencia, villareal, atletico, sevilla. and rofl at "its all about playing beautiful football" businessman wenger.

germany foreva

[milad]

aslan chera faghat be bayern gir midin?
hsv won against man. city 3-1 ...a team that can buy robinh just like that
also bremen won against ac milan this year and yesterday against udinese

who said? every time real madrid lose we get hell. now you lose 4-0 and are saying why ppl pick on bayern? LOL!

[milad]

if we had the same performance yesterday with a stronger defence and lost 1-0, i would still say we were absolutely pathetic UNLIKE U WHO ALWAYS FINDS A WAY TO BLAME THE REFEREE, LUCK OR THE OPPONENT BY CLAIMING THEY DEFENDED WITH 11 PLAYERS!
inspite of losing 4-0 and then call ur arguments "reasonable"

im not even bothered if u listen to me or not, u said something i replied!
i know ur mentality very well, so it doesnt bother me

and in reality, i think we have done wat we could in CL which was reach the last 8 teams. i was hoping for a semis but it was going to be difficult and drawing barca with 5 - 6 of our starters missing wasnt gonna help!
a quarter finals appearance and being among the final 8 teams with this squad is right about wat we deserved anyways, which btw, once again was better than wat u guys performed in CL!

if im not mistaken, i think i read somewhere that real madrid's european coefficient has now placed them in the second seeded teams from next CL thanx to their 5 years continuous choking against teams from serie A, EPL and bundesliga, so enjoy SON!

again, i dont see myself justifying our performance to make it even sound as an excuse but its ok... people like u were long waiting for us to fail,so i understand u guys had it all bottled up and now is a good chance to pour some of it out

didnt you ridiculously deny my excuses that we had half a season of injuries? and now you are saying bayern has injuries! face it man you are extremely biased. everyone knows. what more proof do you need LOL.

aslan chera faghat be bayern gir midin?

hsv won against man. city 3-1 ...a team that can buy robinh just like that


also bremen won against ac milan this year and yesterday against udinese

[maniei]

90% of the posts here are off topic.

I dont get why you guys cant post your bayern - barca comments in the bayern thread

[shayan20]

i dont know how much more embaressing results bayern is going to get before they sack kilinzman.
btw if you guys think bayern could have got anything from this match had they had all their absent players, THINK AGAIN!
don't like to use these words against bayern but barca really toyed around with bayern the entire game, we just wanted to conserve energy for the tight schedule we have, since the 4-0 was enough to get us thorough even if we play c team in munich.
these days must really sad days for bayern fans.

[Masoud_A]

what about that russian team that bayern lost 4-0 to?
did they spend more money than bayern?
got to accept bayern has been disappointing past few years and chocked in important moments, like uefa semi(?) CL and now in the league.

If you want to talk about individual results, I can make a list of Barca's humiliating losses, so instead of being kewn shagh cause you got a great result, think before posting and try to comprehend the point people try to make.

[yashar_fasihnia]

ROFL thats because when you lose 4-0 and got raped you cant say you played better. im sure if you played better and lost by a goal you would not have stayed silent. so you are making excuses, but when i say reasonable things like we lost to liverpool by more goals than we should have because of the ref and that we were forced to attack leaving space behind and it was at anfield you dismissed my excuses completely so you think i am going to listen to your excuses? what goes around comes around.

4-0 son. your team is done. no excuses.

if we had the same performance yesterday with a stronger defence and lost 1-0, i would still say we were absolutely pathetic UNLIKE U WHO ALWAYS FINDS A WAY TO BLAME THE REFEREE, LUCK OR THE OPPONENT BY CLAIMING THEY DEFENDED WITH 11 PLAYERS!
inspite of losing 4-0 and then call ur arguments "reasonable"

im not even bothered if u listen to me or not, u said something i replied!
i know ur mentality very well, so it doesnt bother me

and in reality, i think we have done wat we could in CL which was reach the last 8 teams. i was hoping for a semis but it was going to be difficult and drawing barca with 5 - 6 of our starters missing wasnt gonna help!
a quarter finals appearance and being among the final 8 teams with this squad is right about wat we deserved anyways, which btw, once again was better than wat u guys performed in CL!

if im not mistaken, i think i read somewhere that real madrid's european coefficient has now placed them in the second seeded teams from next CL thanx to their 5 years continuous choking against teams from serie A, EPL and bundesliga, so enjoy SON!

again, i dont see myself justifying our performance to make it even sound as an excuse but its ok... people like u were long waiting for us to fail,so i understand u guys had it all bottled up and now is a good chance to pour some of it out

[yashar_fasihnia]

what about that russian team that bayern lost 4-0 to?
did they spend more money than bayern?
got to accept bayern has been disappointing past few years and chocked in important moments, like uefa semi(?) CL and now in the league.

we played a bad game against zenit and we lost by a huge margin! just like wolfsburg where we played bad and lost by a huge margin. u think if we played 9 more times against zenit or against wolfsburg, we would still lose with the same scoreline, if we would lose in the first place?

such games happen once in a while and with our defense not being the strongest and most organized, it shouldnt be surprising it happens to us when we fall back and try to equalize, we get scored on even more.

bayern has been doing better than many of the european power houses in europe inspite of its less budget and the bundesliga salary caps.
bayern has progressed further than real madrid, intermilan and lyon in CL in past few years! probably roma too, not sure but have to check on this..
and they year we were in UEFA, we advanced much higher than wat AC milan could in this years UEFA!
we reached the semis, milan didnt even reach the quarter finals of the UEFA cup!

and the league is far from over just cos we lost 5-1 to wolfsburg means its all over in the league???


instead of bringing up examples of tournaments dark horses like porto or zenit which is like one team among 32 teams in every tournament and an exception to the rule, why dont u just answer my question and tell me a simple YES or NO to this:

tell me where am i not stating OBJECTIVE FACTS here:
1)bayern were missing 4-5 key players against a full squad barca team and arguably strongest team in the world while playing away at nou camp
2)players have salary caps in bundesliga and are not allowed to be paid as much as they can be paid in epl, la liga and serie A!
3)bundesliga teams have a much lesser budget compared to teams of EPL, la liga and serie A!
4)bayern makes a big purchase like ribery + toni + klose only once in a decade or so, compared to other european giants who spend like that money around 7 seasons per decade, that too over pricing the players they buy!

can anyone really come and tell me anything i stated above is wrong and has no SIGNIFICANT effect?? REALLY, ANYONE???


think of it this way, how many teams with small budgets have been able to do something major in europe?
and now compare it to how many teams with big budgets have been able to do something major in europe!
u guys are just trying to bring up exceptions to the rules!

not that the zenit team we lost to was some poor team cos they formed the major backbone of the russian national team who pleased everyone in the euros but anyways, losing to them 4-0 is still a shameful result and totally unacceptable and unjustifiable!

[shayan20]

what about that russian team that bayern lost 4-0 to?
did they spend more money than bayern?
got to accept bayern has been disappointing past few years and chocked in important moments, like uefa semi(?) CL and now in the league.

[milad]

wat bias? wat excuses? unlike u, im not coming and say, we played better but we got unlucky and lost! just like u claim u get unlucky EVERY YEAR IN CHAMPIONS LEAGUE AND GET KNOCKED OUT IN THE ROUND OF 16 FOR FIVE CONSECUTIVE YEARS AGAINST FIVE CONSECUTIVE TEAMS FROM DIFFERENT LEAGUES!

tell me where am i not stating OBJECTIVE FACTS here:
1)bayern were missing 4-5 key players against a full squad barca team and arguably strongest team in the world while playing away at nou camp
2)players have salary caps in bundesliga and are not allowed to be paid as much as they can be paid in epl, la liga and serie A!
3)bundesliga teams have a much lesser budget compared to teams of EPL, la liga and serie A!
4)bayern makes a big purchase like ribery + toni + klose only once in a decade or so, compared to other european giants who spend like that money around 7 seasons per decade, that too over pricing the players they buy!

can anyone really come and tell me anything i stated above is wrong and has no SIGNIFICANT effect?? REALLY, ANYONE???

i never made any excuse and didnt justify our loss to barca unlike u who said madrid played better than juve but lost both games or ur so called "bad luck theory" about getting knocked out CL every year at the round of 16 no matter which team u face from watever league it is!


sorry, try again!

P.S. whose everybody? u and a few other members here makes everybody?

ROFL thats because when you lose 4-0 and got raped you cant say you played better. im sure if you played better and lost by a goal you would not have stayed silent. so you are making excuses, but when i say reasonable things like we lost to liverpool by more goals than we should have because of the ref and that we were forced to attack leaving space behind and it was at anfield you dismissed my excuses completely so you think i am going to listen to your excuses? what goes around comes around.

4-0 son. your team is done. no excuses.