Iraqs Karimi will be joining Man City

[yashar_fasihnia]

atleast iranian players make it to europe/ or can easily sign with a team whether they fail or not

getting into teams such as bayern munich is a HUGE accomplishment by itself even if u sit on the bench throughout the whole season/
as a person that only watches through the television screen, its very easy
to criticize and talk as if its nothing

if u dont mind can u plz give this guys resume or list of any his accomplishments through his career at club/national level disregarding the fluky asian cup championship, there probably isnt much too write

first of all, making it to IPL is more difficult than making it to bundesliga. akram was tested and approved by one of the good teams of EPL and one of the good coaches of the world but he was denied a work permit, something which is out of his or the clubs control! so theoretically, he made it to europe which like u said is a huge thing by itself.

secondly, its funny yet ironic how u use these words "as a person that only watches through the television screen, its very easy to criticize and talk as if its nothing" against me, but u urself come and make this claim "through his career at club/national level disregarding the fluky asian cup championship" ironic, dont u think??
a team whose country is in turmoil, who doesnt have a league, whose players have a million problems to deal with in their daily lives dominates every single team in the asian cup including saudi arabia who showed they were one of the favorites to win the cup is not fluke. this same team made it to 4th place in the olympics. was that a fluke too???

like i said, i have followed him and iraq more than most iranians. i posted some info on him in my other post from wikipedia.
for a recently turned 24 ASIAN player whose national team has never been a top team in asian and has had limited opportunities to prove himself compared th players from japan, south korea, china, saudi arabia, and even iran, these honours are great, which even many of asian talents cant match:

Honours
Best foreign player - Saudi Premier League 2005-2006
Best player - Asian Cup 2007 Final
Receive third best player in Asia of the year 2007.

[edit] Club
1994: Won the Iraqi league with Ashbal Al Qowa El Jaweya
1995: Won the Iraqi league and the Iraqi Cup with Al-Zawraa U-17
1996: Took the 2nd place in the Iraqi league with Youth Al Qowa El Jaweya
2001: Took the 3rd place in the Iraqi league with Al-Shurta
2002: Won the Iraqi Cub with Al-Shurta
2003: Participated with Al-Shurta Club in the Arab club league in Cairo
2005: Took 2nd place with Al-Shabab in the Saudi Premier league
2006: Earned the Championship with Al-Shabab

[edit] International
2000: AFC Youth Champions.
2001: Qualified to the World Youth Championship in Argentina.
2002: Second West Asian Football Federation Champions.
2003-2004: Qualified with the Iraqi Olympic team to Athens Olympic.
2004: Qualified to the Asian Cup in China, but lost in the quarterfinals.
2004: Took 4th place in Athens Olympics.
2006: Won the gold medal in the Third West Asian Football Federation in Doha.
2005-2006: Qualified to the Asian Nations Cup 2007.
2007: Took 2nd place in the West Asian Football Federation.
2007: Won the Asian Cup against three-time champions Saudi Arabia.
2007: Nominated AFC Player of the Year and finished as 2nd Runner-up


now please, i ask u or anyone else who rates the likes of madanchi, borhani, kazemian and mobali as asias next big talent, please show me their resume and wat they have done!

[djmo]

some of u guys over rate failed iranian players which is even more laughable!

Which Iranian players did I overrate?

[djmo]

atleast iranian players make it to europe/ or can easily sign with a team whether they fail or not

getting into teams such as bayern munich is a HUGE accomplishment by itself even if u sit on the bench throughout the whole season/
as a person that only watches through the television screen, its very easy
to criticize and talk as if its nothing

if u dont mind can u plz give this guys resume or list of any his accomplishments at club/national level disregarding the hilarious asian cup championship, there probably isnt much too write

baba, don't tell those who don't love Iran this kind of info? Getting into Bayern, scoring 16 goals in the Bundesliga in one year (Hash), leading the Bundesliga in Assist and willing your team to win vs. a Zidane Juventus (Mahdavkia 2 assists, one goal) and incredible individual performances against Mexico and Portugal (Kaabi, Tey, Neko) etc. etc. etc. are nothing.

ALSO, I had nothing against Iraqis (actually stood up for them many times in the past, even though they were aggressors that lead to 1 million murders of our hamvataans) until I met some Iraqis and used their boards. You think I hate them? Lol, you haven't seen how they passionately hate us.

[LoriMagician]

i have followed nashat akram more than most iranians here, so i know him more than u guys. u can laugh all u want, but atleast, im overrating someone who is still questionable and might succeed in europe.

some of u guys over rate failed iranian players which is even more laughable!

atleast iranian players make it to europe/ or can easily sign with a team whether they fail or not

getting into teams such as bayern munich is a HUGE accomplishment by itself even if u sit on the bench throughout the whole season/
as a person that only watches through the television screen, its very easy
to criticize and talk as if its nothing

if u dont mind can u plz give this guys resume or list of any his accomplishments at club/national level disregarding the hilarious asian cup championship, there probably isnt much too write

[djmo]

I can't believe you gave me a warning, which again, shows you have ulterior motives. You didn't respond to any of my points, which means you have no point yourself. I've also followed Akram and know tons of the Iraqi team and players; they are just a hype, that's all. Akram has done nothing in his career beside one fluky Asia Cup win.

You can suck up to whoever you want to, it's just sad all I'm telling you.

[yashar_fasihnia]

ur overating akram wayyyy too much that its almost laughable

i have followed nashat akram more than most iranians here, so i know him more than u guys. u can laugh all u want, but atleast, im overrating someone who is still questionable and might succeed in europe.

some of u guys over rate failed iranian players which is even more laughable!

[yashar_fasihnia]

Stop sucking off Iraqis dude, it's quite desperate and very scary for a man (I'm assuming you're a man cause your name is Yashar, an Iranian name btw). South Korea has always produced great teams, they choke on the Asia Cup stage in the latter rounds, but they always bring good teams. Don't give me crap about Iran not winning an Asia Cup because YOU THINK I implied every coach was an idiot. IN 2004, we were robbed. Vs Saudi in 1996, we were robbed. Refs robbing us is the theme, not us bad coaches.
Iraq is overrated. It's convienent for you to always forget how Iraq has never done anything for their football history except a lone World Cup visit and an Asia Cup win ... not their clubs, not their National Team. So stop mustering up some historical justifications that try to boost your Iraqi masters

just because u cant tolerate some arab team or player is better than some iranian player or team doesnt mean im sucking off iraqis or arabs for that matter or are my masters.
if u cant have a level headed conversation, dont talk to me please.
its funny how ur ready to accept some east asian or european players or teams are better than iranian player or team but u cant admit the same about arabs?? clearly shows u cant accept reality and have to use unwanted words or accusations to justify urself (iraqi masters, suck off iraiqs, )
seriously, how old r u???

if u read again, i said this iraqi team is a new generation of young iraqi talents who started off from the olympic team together. even earlier, they were always a good team in asia, but now, they are better than before. like i said, make sure u are aware of a topic before u make a comment.so i didnt forget anything, ur the one who forgot (or are not aware of the fact) that this iraqi team is mostly the same team who reached 4th place in olympics, now they have reached national level and will now be a force to reckon from now onwards. korea and iran have always been forces in asia, but every asian cup, we come up with some sort of justification for being the best in asia but still not winning anything!

P.S. this is the last time im telling u, watch ur language. just 2 posts back, i gave u a warning for not controlling ur language. from now on, ur on my radar, so if u wanna stay on pfdc, u better learn to change ur attitude, ur tone and ur choice of words.

[LoriMagician]

current karimi (wat we saw of him in asian cup 2007) - disagree
current nekounam (before injury) - agree. HOWEVER, let me say this, nekounam got the chance to prove himself in the worldcup and then move to osasuna and prove himself there. this chance wasnt given to nashat akram and he only got to prove himself in an asian cup yet one of the good teams on the best league in the world want him. so maybe if akram also had the chance nekounam had, he would have proven himself as well, maybe even more than nekounam. but this is only assumptions, so i agree with u about nekounam.
curent qahtani - disagree. qahtani might be one of the best strikers in asia but i rate nashat akram higher than him.
Malek - disagree. current qahtani and karimi are better than him
Nakamura - agreed
Park - agreed however, i repeat, u should consider the fact that these guys got to prove themselves in europe, akram wasnt given that chance. there is a chance that akram could have proven himself had he got his permit, but again, i agree, park ji sung although he has just returned from injury and we can just hope he reaches back his preinjury form. so, we have to wait.
hawar mohammad - disagree. i think nashat akram and younes mahmoud are both better players than hawar mulla mohammad. im pretty sure most iraqi football fans will agree with me on this one. however, hawar is one of the key players of iraq too.
teymourian - disagree poor in asiancup 2007 and not doing so well in bolton. so his current form is definitely not as good as akrams current form, but even if he was, i would still rate akram higher. nashat akram is something like our own navidkia or nekounam, who are both in my opinion better than teymourian when on peak form.
madanchi - disagree. ARE U KIDDING ME??? he scored some goals in UAE league and now he is made god. in that case, farhad majidi, ali samereh, reza enayati and rasoul khatibi are all better than nashat akram as well

so i agree with only park ji sung, shunsuke nakamura and javad nekounam and all 3 of them are just returning from long time injuries and we are assuming they will reach the form they had before their injuries.
besides, like i said, had iraq or atleast nashat akram had the chance to take part in the worldcup, there is a possiblity he could have proven himself much easier to the rest of the world like nekounam or nakamura or park did!
sorry, but i think nashat akram at this age of 24 has the potential to become one of the top asian players in the coming years and definitely can succeed in a mid table team of a top league in europe.

ur overating akram wayyyy too much that its almost laughable

[djmo]

Eyy you qatari man. Don't mix sport with politics in our persian forum. Otherwise you'll get banned!!

Qatari is a prime example of a misguided and out-of-touch Bedouin. Let him have his fun ; excessive fantasizing is what him and his people live on . They think that Arabs are the most moral people, all Arab girls are virgins and chaste , and that they are blessed by God throughout all times ... again, let them have their fantasies. He's not even worth responding too, a man who says Iran is an Arab country is so clueless, that responding to him would make him think he actually is making a point rather than just randomly talking smack.

[djmo]

and i can disagree with 17 or 18 of urs with ease.
none of ur explanations justify iraqs brilliant performance. australia werent poor, they were simply overrated with aging old players like mark viduka (our verison of ali daei ).
south korea was poor?? when was the last time south korea ever did anything in asian cup?? 1950s!! have they been poor every time for the past 50 years???
wat about japan?? they were on top form with their top players of peak form, wat happened to them???
saudi arabia had a tough time against iraq inspite of being one of the best teams of the tournament, ever wondered why?? because iraq was good!
iran hasnt been doing crap for the past 30 years either. so every asian cup we played, our coach was an idiot???
im sorry but i dont think iraq won the tournament by luck. while their country was in so much of turmoil, iraq played some beautiful inspirational team work football.this team has been playing together for a long time from the olympic team, they are a bunch of young talented players playing together for a long time mixed with some of their more experienced players which gives them a good combination.
this same olympic team made it 4th place in the world which no other asian team could. the same team won the asian cup 2007 and the same team will be a force to reckon in the coming years in asia unless more disaster happens to their country and their people which may affect their football even more.
i think u shouldnt comment on something urnt fully aware off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashat_Akram

Stop sucking off Iraqis dude, it's quite desperate and very scary for a man (I'm assuming you're a man cause your name is Yashar, an Iranian name btw). South Korea has always produced great teams, they choke on the Asia Cup stage in the latter rounds, but they always bring good teams. Don't give me crap about Iran not winning an Asia Cup because YOU THINK I implied every coach was an idiot. IN 2004, we were robbed. Vs Saudi in 1996, we were robbed. Refs robbing us is the theme, not us bad coaches.

Iraq is overrated. It's convienent for you to always forget how Iraq has never done anything for their football history except a lone World Cup visit and an Asia Cup win ... not their clubs, not their National Team. So stop mustering up some historical justifications that try to boost your Iraqi masters

iranis living a perfect and rich life in GCC while Arabs in iran suffring
what a shame
see who is the racisit

Eyy you qatari man. Don't mix sport with politics in our persian forum. Otherwise you'll get banned!!

[djmo]

current karimi (wat we saw of him in asian cup 2007) - disagree
current nekounam (before injury) - agree. HOWEVER, let me say this, nekounam got the chance to prove himself in the worldcup and then move to osasuna and prove himself there. this chance wasnt given to nashat akram and he only got to prove himself in an asian cup yet one of the good teams on the best league in the world want him. so maybe if akram also had the chance nekounam had, he would have proven himself as well, maybe even more than nekounam. but this is only assumptions, so i agree with u about nekounam.
curent qahtani - disagree. qahtani might be one of the best strikers in asia but i rate nashat akram higher than him.
Malek - disagree. current qahtani and karimi are better than him
Nakamura - agreed
Park - agreed however, i repeat, u should consider the fact that these guys got to prove themselves in europe, akram wasnt given that chance. there is a chance that akram could have proven himself had he got his permit, but again, i agree, park ji sung although he has just returned from injury and we can just hope he reaches back his preinjury form. so, we have to wait.
hawar mohammad - disagree. i think nashat akram and younes mahmoud are both better players than hawar mulla mohammad. im pretty sure most iraqi football fans will agree with me on this one. however, hawar is one of the key players of iraq too.
teymourian - disagree poor in asiancup 2007 and not doing so well in bolton. so his current form is definitely not as good as akrams current form, but even if he was, i would still rate akram higher. nashat akram is something like our own navidkia or nekounam, who are both in my opinion better than teymourian when on peak form.
madanchi - disagree. ARE U KIDDING ME??? he scored some goals in UAE league and now he is made god. in that case, farhad majidi, ali samereh, reza enayati and rasoul khatibi are all better than nashat akram as well
so i agree with only park ji sung, shunsuke nakamura and javad nekounam and all 3 of them are just returning from long time injuries and we are assuming they will reach the form they had before their injuries.
besides, like i said, had iraq or atleast nashat akram had the chance to take part in the worldcup, there is a possiblity he could have proven himself much easier to the rest of the world like nekounam or nakamura or park did!
sorry, but i think nashat akram at this age of 24 has the potential to become one of the top asian players in the coming years and definitely can succeed in a mid table team of a top league in europe.

Convienent you missed out on speaking about Cahill, Kewell etc.

Your evaluation of Akram is purely based on speculation. He had one good tournament, nothing noteworthy before that. He's even struggled with Al-Ain. He didn't show himself in the World Cup cause Iraq got knocked in the first round. If he is as great as you say. His old team, Al-Shahab couldn't even make it out of the first round and Sepahan smacked them around. He's not even close to Navidkia or Jabbari. All your talk comes from that fluky Asia Cup win. Teymourian, yeah he hasn't been shining recently, but he plays in a MUCH HIGHER league, and the Asia Cup, none of our players besides a couple play well. Why don't you mention Teymourian shining in the more important and exponentially harder World Cup vs. the likes of Mexico and Portugal vs. Akram's shining in the lesser Asia Cup. Or what about his brilliant season last year in Bolton? Again, a MUCH BIGGER FEAT than Akram's Asia Cup run (I didn't even think he was that good). I'm bemused and your explanations are comical.

Nekonaum made the all-22 in La Liga, best player of a Spanish team etc. and yet you find a way to compare him to Akram based on speculation and said he might be better? lol Every part of Nekonaum's game is better than Akram, EVERY ASPECT.

Again, it goes back to some Iranians di*k-riding and wanting to make our opponents' players better than our own, not because they want to percieve themselves to be "fair" but cause they have a keeneh and are traitors to be honest cause they like to devaluate Iranians at the expense of others.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Better than him? As footballers, sure ....
Karimi, Nakamura, Nekonaum, Navidkia, Mahdavikia, Teymourian, Lee Po, Park, Al-Qahtani, Harry Kewell, Mark Viduka, Iman Mobali, etc.
I can name 20 with ease. Remember, this Asia Cup was the worst edition of it so far. This whole four countries b.s; Australia was adjusting and weren't even close to their peak; South Korea was horrible; Iran's coach was an absolute idiot; and Saudi Arabia always has a hard time against Iraq it seems. And Nashat hasn't done anything besides help his team win the Asia Cup. Nashat has been nothing special for his Al-Ain team. While all of our players are ripping up the UAE league. He was no where before this Asia Cup, and some Iranians are overestimating Iraq's team and players. They got lucky, simple as that, accept it. Di*k-riding doesn't mean that that team is great .

and i can disagree with 17 or 18 of urs with ease.

none of ur explanations justify iraqs brilliant performance. australia werent poor, they were simply overrated with aging old players like mark viduka (our verison of ali daei ).
south korea was poor?? when was the last time south korea ever did anything in asian cup?? 1950s!! have they been poor every time for the past 50 years???
wat about japan?? they were on top form with their top players of peak form, wat happened to them???
saudi arabia had a tough time against iraq inspite of being one of the best teams of the tournament, ever wondered why?? because iraq was good!
iran hasnt been doing crap for the past 30 years either. so every asian cup we played, our coach was an idiot???

im sorry but i dont think iraq won the tournament by luck. while their country was in so much of turmoil, iraq played some beautiful inspirational team work football.this team has been playing together for a long time from the olympic team, they are a bunch of young talented players playing together for a long time mixed with some of their more experienced players which gives them a good combination.
this same olympic team made it 4th place in the world which no other asian team could. the same team won the asian cup 2007 and the same team will be a force to reckon in the coming years in asia unless more disaster happens to their country and their people which may affect their football even more.

i think u shouldnt comment on something urnt fully aware off.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashat_Akram

[yashar_fasihnia]

these players are all better then Akram

Karimi
Nekonam
Al-Qahtani
Malek
Nakamura
J.S. Park
Hawar Mohammad
Teymourian

even Madanchi in his current form

current karimi (wat we saw of him in asian cup 2007) - disagree
current nekounam (before injury) - agree. HOWEVER, let me say this, nekounam got the chance to prove himself in the worldcup and then move to osasuna and prove himself there. this chance wasnt given to nashat akram and he only got to prove himself in an asian cup yet one of the good teams on the best league in the world want him. so maybe if akram also had the chance nekounam had, he would have proven himself as well, maybe even more than nekounam. but this is only assumptions, so i agree with u about nekounam.
curent qahtani - disagree. qahtani might be one of the best strikers in asia but i rate nashat akram higher than him.
Malek - disagree. current qahtani and karimi are better than him
Nakamura - agreed
Park - agreed however, i repeat, u should consider the fact that these guys got to prove themselves in europe, akram wasnt given that chance. there is a chance that akram could have proven himself had he got his permit, but again, i agree, park ji sung although he has just returned from injury and we can just hope he reaches back his preinjury form. so, we have to wait.
hawar mohammad - disagree. i think nashat akram and younes mahmoud are both better players than hawar mulla mohammad. im pretty sure most iraqi football fans will agree with me on this one. however, hawar is one of the key players of iraq too.
teymourian - disagree poor in asiancup 2007 and not doing so well in bolton. so his current form is definitely not as good as akrams current form, but even if he was, i would still rate akram higher. nashat akram is something like our own navidkia or nekounam, who are both in my opinion better than teymourian when on peak form.
madanchi - disagree. ARE U KIDDING ME??? he scored some goals in UAE league and now he is made god. in that case, farhad majidi, ali samereh, reza enayati and rasoul khatibi are all better than nashat akram as well

so i agree with only park ji sung, shunsuke nakamura and javad nekounam and all 3 of them are just returning from long time injuries and we are assuming they will reach the form they had before their injuries.
besides, like i said, had iraq or atleast nashat akram had the chance to take part in the worldcup, there is a possiblity he could have proven himself much easier to the rest of the world like nekounam or nakamura or park did!
sorry, but i think nashat akram at this age of 24 has the potential to become one of the top asian players in the coming years and definitely can succeed in a mid table team of a top league in europe.

[Nokhodi]

Jealous? LOOOOL dude he didn't even make it to man city, they rejected him.

You're mistaking Akram for Al-Qahtani. Akram was accepted by Errikson and only his work permit was denied.
Al-Qahtani was rejected though.