Will Bayren Munich Destroys Ribery and Toni's Talent?

[persianbruin]

I have seen threads like this before and while you are trying to sound civil and logical lets just face it, you dont like bayern and love karimi!!! Prior to karimi I had never heard anyone, ANYONE say this nonsense about bayern.

You are just one of thousands of other karimi fans who get a kick out of a couple of dribbles he makes every once in a blue moon yet didnt bring up his name so you wouldnt sound biased!!! Get over it man. The guy is not as good as you think and has the work ethic of a salad bar!!

[Milad-69]

I think this will be a good tread. Will Bayren Munich destroys Frank Ribery and Luca Toni's talent? Since they are famous to bringing Hi caliber players and then teach them their so called one pass style and then make them sit on the bench for 10 games so they loose their readiness.
Let's predict if these players are going to be successful in Bayren Munich or not.
I think killing their talent starts from second half the season?
What do you think? All comments and predictions are welcomed...

Man Shut Up!..
Stop Making pointless threads!

[CULOOCHE]

He was kissing Eto'o and Henry's balls ( players from Barca) to prove that they are better than Klose and Tony, a failed attempt of course,

in reality, they are.....

[Masoud_A]

hehehe,,,dude, u better stop.
u dont even know the facts right, and ur arguing here?
schweisnteiger is a bayern youth product, along with hargreaves!
he never palyed in leverkusen!!!!!!
ballack came from leverkusen!!!
now, please u name some of real madrid's youth talent products..raul, casillas,,and???
again, not true.
ze roberto and lahm are just 2 examples.
u can add sagnol as well

toni might not develop any more but he sure can do better because he is playing in a better team now and his team mates are of higher caliber, so obviously, his game and his performance and his goal ratio will increase thats if he doesnt face problems in settling down or injuries or watever...
hehehe..besides raul and casillas, who have u produced?? soldado and ramos?? ramos is a sevilla product, not real madrids!
and ur comparing them with hargreaves and schweinsteiger???
and real madrid also holds the record for conceding the earliest goal in champions league history, ironically from bayern
and one reason ramos MIGHT be one of the best defenders in spanish league is because spanish league has crap defenders in general.
people like zmabrotta and cannavaro only joined last season because of the italian yard sale
P.S. casillas is nowhere near kahn when kahn was younger and at his peak

Baba dont waste your time arguing with this guy, he doesnt knwo jack shit!
He was kissing Eto'o and Henry's balls ( players from Barca) to prove that they are better than Klose and Tony, a failed attempt of course, So what you expect from this guy? I believe his next gonna be that Oliver Kahn came from Real Madrid's academy ( ofcourse if they have one )

[persianbruin]

Matthaus started out with Monchengaldbach.
no doubt he was a legend, but he was never a product of Bayern in the 80's and 90's he was part of a good Bayern side.

I had the poster of that monchengladbach team on my wall in 1984 even though I didnt really know him much. You are makin the point I am making. Mathaus was an unknown and unproven player with gladbach but by the time bayern sold him to Inter he had become a legend and captain of the national team!!! Also lets not forget that Bayern in the uefa cup killed inter in Milan in a matter of 8 minutes in the following season makin both bremeh and mathaus regret their move to inter but thats a story for a different day!

Oh well, I just say it for my fellow bayern fans: in the home game Inter beat bayern in Munich 2-0. Then in milan, Inter took the lead with a goal by that italy's #20 the guy who was the best scorer of the serie A(cant remember his name) but then bayern swarmed back and scored 3 golas in 8 minutes to beat them 3-1!!!!!!!!!!! aggregate 3-3 with more away goals

By the way madrid jaan, I watched that 1987 semi final game when mathaus scored two amazing goals against real madrid while bayern destroyed them 4-1 in Munich!

[Dubxl152]

yashar jan agha please stop replying to these threads...you are wasting your time bro, as i have said before, according to most of us, others always destroy us, we never do it to ourselves and we are never at fault...unfortunately that's our mentality and well, Bayern is just another excuse.....anyways, you get my point.

great couple of posts dadash. (the following isnt a response to your posts)

a couple side points.

Ali karimi was not destroyed by bayren, if anything it made him a more complete player. An example would be some of the great passes that he made in the AC just watch him he made alot of great passes but they were wasted. yes he had a bad performance and yes he was playing out of position. the biggest aspect about him that people miss is that the man is playing scared. Yes scared. ever since he got hurt he has been playing scared, he is SO afraid of getting hurt again every time he gets touched he checks his ankle. mentally he is not there. do we forget about him.... sad to say it since i am a fan... it is time to look elsewhere, i hope once the coaching situation is resolved shojaei will have an opportunity to get some PT and show his worth. Karimi should not be forgotten but he must prove that either A. he can preform or B. play a leadership role (as sub).

Bayren gave ali his chances and Imo he did well his first year but following the injury he didn't come back & was deemed expendable by Bayren. You dont play a player who has zero value to you. Bayren Munich as a club, a company, a corporation that makes money, wants money, wins cups & wants cups to say that they spent the time to scout, sign and risk money on Ali or any player just to make him suck & ruin his career is :bs:

[yashar_fasihnia]

yashar jan agha please stop replying to these threads...you are wasting your time bro, as i have said before, according to most of us, others always destroy us, we never do it to ourselves and we are never at fault...unfortunately that's our mentality and well, Bayern is just another excuse.....anyways, you get my point.

i agree,,, clearly people dont know enough about bayern..thats why they come up with such ridiculous arguments, threads and even "facts"

[yashar_fasihnia]

LOL

Why didn't you name a "cheap and talented" player that has become famous?

Schweinsteiger was brilliant at Leverkusen, honestly I can say he has turned into an average player at Bayern rather han improve past the player that he was.

hehehe,,,dude, u better stop.
u dont even know the facts right, and ur arguing here?
schweisnteiger is a bayern youth product, along with hargreaves!
he never palyed in leverkusen!!!!!!
ballack came from leverkusen!!!

now, please u name some of real madrid's youth talent products..raul, casillas,,and???

The only players that really perform are the bulky physically built players like Lucio, Van Bommel, Van Buyten etc...

again, not true.
ze roberto and lahm are just 2 examples.
u can add sagnol as well

But in teh case of Toni and Ribery, I don't see Toni doing anything better than what he did at Fiorentina, but Ribery is just a fantastic player, so I can't see him be destroyed as of yet.

toni might not develop any more but he sure can do better because he is playing in a better team now and his team mates are of higher caliber, so obviously, his game and his performance and his goal ratio will increase thats if he doesnt face problems in settling down or injuries or watever...

Now you want to diss Real? Raul still holds the Champions League record in goals afetr coming throguh teh youth system. A recent player to grow is Soldado. And ask anyone and they'll tell you Ramos ahs become one of the best defenders and all round players in Spain with Real after coming in from Sevilla.
And who can forget the worlds best goalkeeper Casillas?

hehehe..besides raul and casillas, who have u produced?? soldado and ramos?? ramos is a sevilla product, not real madrids!

and ur comparing soldado with hargreaves and schweinsteiger???
and real madrid also holds the record for conceding the earliest goal in champions league history, ironically from bayern

and one reason ramos MIGHT be one of the best defenders in spanish league is because spanish league has crap defenders in general, very few good defenders....
people like zmabrotta and cannavaro only joined last season because of the italian yard sale

P.S. casillas is nowhere near kahn when kahn was younger and at his peak

[The-Red]

ok dude...there are 2 different issues:
1)we are talking about young talents produced from the club
bayern examples are schweinsteiger and hargreaves.
-so, first, get ur facts straight. schweinsteiger never played in leverkusen to be great in leverkusen! it was ballack who palyed for leverkusen and then moved to bayern.
-please name me some of real madrids young produced talents!!!!
2) the thread is about ribery and toni, none of which are bayern youth products either. so the comparison made to mathaeus, elber, ze roberto, ballack, are all valid!
this is wat all clubs do.
real madrid is the leader in buying the most famous players for a large sum of money and still flopping..

yashar jan agha please stop replying to these threads...you are wasting your time bro, as i have said before, according to most of us, others always destroy us, we never do it to ourselves and we are never at fault...unfortunately that's our mentality and well, Bayern is just another excuse.....anyways, you get my point.

[The-Red]

lol what a pure....
when did Bayern distroy anyone?...people get over karimi's lack of motivation and bad luck and let's move on...let's stop this conspiracy theories.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Matthaus started out with Monchengaldbach.
no doubt he was a legend, but he was never a product of Bayern in the 80's and 90's he was part of a good Bayern side.

ok dude...there are 2 different issues:

1)we are talking about young talents produced from the club
bayern examples are schweinsteiger and hargreaves.
-so, first, get ur facts straight. schweinsteiger never played in leverkusen to be great in leverkusen! it was ballack who palyed for leverkusen and then moved to bayern.
-please name me some of real madrids young produced talents except raul and casillas!!!!

2) the thread is about ribery and toni, none of which are bayern youth products either. so the comparison made to mathaeus, elber, ze roberto, ballack, are all valid!
this is wat all clubs do.
real madrid is the leader in buying the most famous players for a large sum of money and still flopping..

[yashar_fasihnia]

I have been a **HUGE** bayern fan since 1986. One of the main sources of income that bayern has is getting cheap and reletively unknown players and make money by selling them for a lot of profit while takein advantage of their talent. Rumminge, matthaus, bremeh, babel and many others are among that catagory. attendance in germany is a lot smaller than other majr football countries but they have been able to remain as one of the top earnin teams in europe because of this strategy. Only ballack was a slip up by the management. Every now and then they have to invest on some good players just to stay competetive.
Make no mistake about it. Its not a coincidence that bayern is the only major power in europe that has employed a star player of ours and they have done it THREE times with daei, hashemian and karimi. If what you are saying about bayern were true then they would not even be a top 20 team in europe financially. Just face it hash and karimi are NOT the talents some of us think they are. Daei was amazing but he went to bayern at a time when bayern had a couple of national team strikers so the bias kept him from playing as a regular. If you saw those games where he played in the 98-99 season you could see how he took advantage of every opportunity he was given and how much respect he had from his teammates namely, lothar mathaus and face it daei was a better player after that one year stint with bayern!
So to answer your Q, NO, I dont think bayern is gonna ruin their talent. I actually think they are gonna be better.

exactly!!


hehe..bayern destroying talents it seems..i wonder how the likes of kahn, mathaeus, lucio, lahm, ballack, elber, ze roberto, van bommel all got destroyed

[PersianMadrid7]

i did name some and there is plenty more where those came from!

Matthaus started out with Monchengaldbach.

no doubt he was a legend, but he was never a product of Bayern in the 80's and 90's he was part of a good Bayern side.

[persianbruin]

LOL

Why didn't you name a "cheap and talented" player that has become famous?

Schweinsteiger was brilliant at Leverkusen, honestly I can say he has turned into an average player at Bayern rather han improve past the player that he was.

The only players that really perform are the bulky physically built players like Lucio, Van Bommel, Van Buyten etc...

But in teh case of Toni and Ribery, I don't see Toni doing anything better than what he did at Fiorentina, but Ribery is just a fantastic player, so I can't see him be destroyed as of yet.

Now you want to diss Real? Raul still holds the Champions League record in goals afetr coming throguh teh youth system. A recent player to grow is Soldado. And ask anyone and they'll tell you Ramos ahs become one of the best defenders and all round players in Spain with Real after coming in from Sevilla.

And who can forget the worlds best goalkeeper Casillas?

i did name some and there is plenty more where those came from!

[BacheLot]

ribery should thrive there..! they need him more than any other high calibur signing they had this off season....! and since he is gonna get a lot of playing times then no..!
Toni may be... because he has to compete with a much better option of Close..! and he is getting old and injury prone..!
one thing for sure ....they now have way too many good players and not enough challenges to keep them all happy with play time..!
they have always been a conservative spenders and over achieved year after year with relatively small payroll by taking chances on lesser known possible cheap talents ...! but last year it became evident to them that since the resurgence of Chelsea through primarily cold hard cash, the playing field has changed and they have to dig deep, to stay one of the elites of Europe..!
and if you are referring to karimi ...then lets face it... i used to be really annoyed at them for benching him....but after his off season form in ac and his choice of future club...it became evident that he deserved to be benched even ahead of bunch inferior reserve team players..! the guy is played-out..! he has no motivation .. he is just a big ..."what could have been"! and Hash.. has never been anything but an avarage striker in Europe and he got about as much playing time as he should have expected playing in fcb during his time there...!