Ozone i get much of what you say but as i said many times before, "little coaches", "small names" dont get respected in iran, thats our culture, even players dont show enough respect.
Its all about having a bigger name, than you get respect, very easy.
And right now TM is somewhere that i dont see any future if Dragan stayed because it has become so far that players open their mouth, you should be that big as a coach that no player can open his mouth.
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Very simple. Why was Skocic sacked? Officially its claimed the last 2 results he achieved. It can't be his record or enormous contract. Certainly can't be his tactics only since he has had very little camps or prep time.Originally posted by DR Strangemoosh View PostWhat point are you making here?
Queiroz's win and draw against Orlando pirates that you keep mentioning again and again and again is as relevant as branko's 3-0 loss against QPR C team or Ivic's 7-1 loss against AS Roma.
i.e NONE of these are relevant. I don't judge Branko or ivic or cq on any of these test games
That's my point. Your constant repetition of "Orlando pirates" is just not relevant. Friendlies against club teams are often experimental, with whatever coach. In any case CQ's early 2013-2014 team had good results against the south African club sides, but again whether he won, drew or lost is INCONSEQUENTIAL.
Now are you going to say "Orlando Pirates" again for the hundredth time in your argument against CQ?
Most cite Algeria and SK. Sk was in Sk with an injury and half the lineup. Team already qualified. ALGERIA let's call it Z team...loss 2-1 in a last gasp Doha friendly. Many coaches have suffered worst defeats...including CQ. Yet Skocic is fired based on those 2 results...fans call for his head based on those two results. That's hypocritical. 2 losses...1 being a friendly. Can you imagine how many coaching changes should have happened around the world with this logic?
It's hypocritical to as fans praise coaches who lost bigger more critical games and to crucify another because of two meaningless poor results. Not you specifically but for the number of times I mention Orlando Pirates hundreds more mention Algeria C. Sorry folks Algeria Z is stronger than Orlando Pirates any day....as one comparison. We are praising one and crucifying another based on preference not results, not records, not acknowledging the contract payment, lack of prep time, lack of iff support. We are cresting divisions and feeding into the cycle loved by anti TM forces and greedy iff officials and media.
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But IFF apparently did have the money, as immediately after letting Queiroz go, they basically turned around and agreed to a contract to pay Wilmots around €8 million, similar to what Queiroz was getting.Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Postironically I think after his first 3 years, more and more ppl started appreciating him. And by the time he left, he was immensely popular. (idiotic officials aside).
But he didnt leave becoz ppl didnt appreciate him.
he left bcoz IFF didnt have any money to pay him and his crew's fees.
Not the same case as this
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What point are you making here?Originally posted by O-ZoNe View PostPeople talk about spamming when we bring up Orlando Pirates, Syria etc. Then they conveniently do the same by mentioning As Roma 7-1 or Algeria and South Korea. Both under terrible circumstances and already qualified.
Hypocrisy is endemic!
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Queiroz's win and draw against Orlando pirates that you keep mentioning again and again and again is as relevant as branko's 3-0 loss against QPR C team or Ivic's 7-1 loss against AS Roma.
i.e NONE of these are relevant. I don't judge Branko or ivic or cq on any of these test games
That's my point. Your constant repetition of "Orlando pirates" is just not relevant. Friendlies against club teams are often experimental, with whatever coach. In any case CQ's early 2013-2014 team had good results against the south African club sides, but again whether he won, drew or lost is INCONSEQUENTIAL.
Now are you going to say "Orlando Pirates" again for the hundredth time in your argument against CQ?
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We are not ungrateful people Doctor jan. We are hypocritical. We burn one person for the same reasons we praise another. We give 8 years after poor results to one and fire another after our easiest qualification ever.Originally posted by Doctor DOOM View Postcorrect.
becoz Wilmots (a far more famous and well known coach than Skocic) used my neighbors, their cousins and a couple of kids from the next street. Not a single player from CQ's team. Thats why he failed miserably and almost got us eliminated.
right?
anyway.
what's done is done. And I dont agree with this decision.
We are an extremely ungrateful peoples, as a nation.
Historically it's been proven time & again.
In far more vital & important things in life. Let alone in sports.
So when is Guardiola or Klopp coming to take over TM?
This week?
People talk about spamming when we bring up Orlando Pirates, Syria etc. Then they conveniently do the same by mentioning As Roma 7-1 or Algeria and South Korea. Both under terrible circumstances and already qualified.
Hypocrisy is endemic!
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ironically I think after his first 3 years, more and more ppl started appreciating him. And by the time he left, he was immensely popular. (idiotic officials aside).Originally posted by DR Strangemoosh View PostAgreed. If we would have appreciated Queiroz instead of having fantasy views of TM/Iran's football who knows what would have happened
Namak nashnasi is indeed endemic.
But he didnt leave becoz ppl didnt appreciate him.
he left bcoz IFF didnt have any money to pay him and his crew's fees.
Not the same case as this
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Agreed. If we would have appreciated Queiroz achievements (both at the time, and for the future) instead of having fantasy views of TM/Iran's football who knows what would have happenedOriginally posted by Doctor DOOM View PostWe are an extremely ungrateful peoples, as a nation.
Historically it's been proven time & again.
Namak nashnasi is indeed endemic.
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Originally posted by Leicester City View PostUnfortunately, individual talent can only take you so far. It may work against Iraq or Bahrain, but not against South Korea or Algeria. At that stage, tactics are required.
correct.
becoz Wilmots (a far more famous and well known coach than Skocic) used my neighbors, their cousins and a couple of kids from the next street. Not a single player from CQ's team. Thats why he failed miserably and almost got us eliminated.
right?
anyway.
what's done is done. And I dont agree with this decision.
We are an extremely ungrateful peoples, as a nation.
Historically it's been proven time & again.
In far more vital & important things in life. Let alone in sports.
So when is Guardiola or Klopp coming to take over TM?
This week?
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