Konya2022

[St_Mark]

U21 2:4 Persepolis

Sadeghi
Abdi
Sadeghi
Temirov

Eslami
Eslami




Hazbavi - Parsa - Akbarpour - Alipour - Ghorbani - Fallah

Shahriari - Touranian - Arazi -Eslami - Mohkamkar

[Nokhodi]

A few clubs (I think sepahan and Esteghlal) didn’t cooperate with u23 team and didn’t send players.
Due to shortage of players and time, TM Omid has withdrawn from the Konya tournament.

Really nice work by the clubs. I’m sure the players will get plenty of experience on the bench.

[Ab-Gosht]

mehdi had a 9min interview on varzesh3, said we might withdraw, but nothing was certain

[DJ Alborz]

Due to shortage of players and time, TM Omid has withdrawn from the Konya tournament.

What?! This is crazy news!

Is this confirmed??

[St_Mark]

A few clubs (I think sepahan and Esteghlal) didn’t cooperate with u23 team and didn’t send players.
Due to shortage of players and time, TM Omid has withdrawn from the Konya tournament.
Really nice work by the clubs. I’m sure the players will get plenty of experience on the bench.

Mahdavi Kia ought to have participated in the negotiations with the club, but he instead gave that responsibility to his assistant and IFF staff. That won't work. Even with a full roster and one week of practice, U21 would have suffered three humiliating losses.


With these policies in place and a part-time coach like Mahdavi Kia, U 21 will not be successful.

[inarsenewetrust]

Mahdavi Kia ought to have participated in the negotiations with the club, but he instead gave that responsibility to his assistant and IFF staff. That won't work. Even with a full roster and one week of practice, U21 would have suffered three humiliating losses.
With these policies in place and a part-time coach like Mahdavi Kia, U 21 will not be successful.

With these ozgal clubs and an even more ozgal IFF nothing will ever get done. What candidate do you even have in mind for this post besides kia with all due respect? Who would accept it?

IFF needs to get the clubs to release their players for u23 duty. Kia can try to kiss their ass but at the end of the day he cannot reach independent agreements with every single club. Thats when IFF needs to threaten with fines, point deductions, etc and everybody will release their players (like in all normal countries actually)

You mention negotiations dear. How would a negotiation with said club proceed exactly... Negotiations are where both sides have something to give up that the other wants.

Kia: Can you please release the selected u23 players for critical prep camp and high profile matches in these dates at ISG.

Jackass clubs: No they are in preseason with us we wont release them.

Kia: This is actually your duty and it is an honor for these players to be selected and be part of the olympic project.

Clubs: No piss off we dont care about u23 team.

What is kia supposed to say exactly? Convince these people what the meaning of national pride or olympic project is?

[oracle]

thank god konya was canceled.
pp 4tayee this team today.
KsA wold of 6tayee this team.

THE CLUB TEAMS DNT WANT GIVE PLAYERS
BETTER NOT GO TO KONYA
but
very dark day in our football to withdraw from a tournment
couple days before our first match, this is same level of cambodia .
this IS ALL MAJEDI FAULT NO ONE RESPECTS HIM
thst why we need a taj .

[inarsenewetrust]

thank god konya was canceled.
pp 4tayee this team today.
KsA wold of 6tayee this team.

THE CLUB TEAMS DNT WANT GIVE PLAYERS
BETTER NOT GO TO KONYA
but
very dark day in our football to withdraw from a tournment
couple days before our first match, this is same level of cambodia .
this IS ALL MAJEDI FAULT NO ONE RESPECTS HIM
thst why we need a taj .

exactly. Majedi is the most pathetic president in history of IFF. Sad to see people keep making excuses for how he has failed to do ANYTHING!

Senior team = failure. Skocic situation = failure. WC camps = failure. Club cooperation with u23 = failure

[oracle]

Mahdavi Kia ought to have participated in the negotiations with the club, but he instead gave that responsibility to his assistant and IFF staff. That won't work. Even with a full roster and one week of practice, U21 would have suffered three humiliating losses.


With these policies in place and a part-time coach like Mahdavi Kia, U 21 will not be successful.

mr mark
even though i hate the fact we have a persian PARVAZI coach,
but THIS IS not kia job to negotiate to gEt players.
RULES NEED TO BE IN PLACE BY IFF AND ENFORCE
SO clubs release players WHEN EVER ANY LEVEL TM CALLS THEM
UP.
i am humiliated as tm fan and follower of omid team since the 80s
BY THIS WITHDRAWL COUPLE DAYS BEFORE THE MATCH.
but happy we did it since ksa would of humuliated omid team more.
WE AS FANS DESERVE BETTER.

this is majedi fault

[Nokhodi]

Mahdavi Kia ought to have participated in the negotiations with the club, but he instead gave that responsibility to his assistant and IFF staff. That won't work. Even with a full roster and one week of practice, U21 would have suffered three humiliating losses.


With these policies in place and a part-time coach like Mahdavi Kia, U 21 will not be successful.

Clubs tell Kia that so and so player will be released and then lie.
What is he to do ?

[St_Mark]

With these ozgal clubs and an even more ozgal IFF nothing will ever get done. What candidate do you even have in mind for this post besides kia with all due respect? Who would accept it?

IFF needs to get the clubs to release their players for u23 duty. Kia can try to kiss their ass but at the end of the day he cannot reach independent agreements with every single club. Thats when IFF needs to threaten with fines, point deductions, etc and everybody will release their players (like in all normal countries actually)

You mention negotiations dear. How would a negotiation with said club proceed exactly... Negotiations are where both sides have something to give up that the other wants.

Kia: Can you please release the selected u23 players for critical prep camp and high profile matches in these dates at ISG.

Jackass clubs: No they are in preseason with us we wont release them.

Kia: This is actually your duty and it is an honor for these players to be selected and be part of the olympic project.

Clubs: No piss off we dont care about u23 team.

What is kia supposed to say exactly? Convince these people what the meaning of national pride or olympic project is?

.


I understand if the aim is to criticize Majedi and defend the coach, but doing so won't benefit the U21 team or the coach.
There is no requirement for clubs to release their players on non-FIFA days, however there is an IFF directive requiring clubs to cooperate and give their players to the national teams.

For failing to cooperate with U21, IFF has in the past fined both clubs and players. Aluminum Club, Esteghlal, and its players Houshmand, Hosseini, and Rezaei were all given penalties.
IFF's executive order only permits teams to release two players up to five days before a game ( on FIFA days onlt 2 days).
Without their consent or through negotiation, clubs are not required by this ruling to release players earlier than 5 days.

When Mahdavi Kia invited three Esteghlal players last time, the club only released two, infuriating the U21 coach. Mahdavi Kia repeated his error by inviting 3 Tractor players this time. 5 days before the game, Tractor consented to release all 3 players. Since three of the players were already in Turkey when Kor fractured his toe and will be sidelined for weeks, an agreement was reached for them to join the club there. Sadeghi, with the consent of Mahdavi Kia, attended Esteghlal training today after Saeidifar and Sadeghi were both released by Esteghlal. Ahmadi was released by Persepolis but continued to play for Persepolis with Mahdavi Kia's approval.

Mahdavikia invited three Sepahan players. While promising to free Salmani and Yousefi after their return, they immediately freed Mohkamkar.
Although it is simple to point the finger at clubs, they are only following established procedures.
It would be ideal if Mahdavi Kia handled the negotiations rather than sending it to Jabbari from IFF if he anticipated having players for longer than the required five days.
It appears the IFF Executive is misunderstood.Clubs are not required by this provision to release players for every training camp.

[Nokhodi]

I should have added, Persepolis and Teraktor also didn’t cooperate.

If the games are not on fifa days, and clubs have no obligation then what is the point of the Olympic team?
Afc is not going to coordinate the u23 schedule to Match the senior schedule then this will always be an issue.

Might as well just say oh well and give up.

Either give u23 TM it’s players or stop complaining about youth football.

[St_Mark]

Clubs tell Kia that so and so player will be released and then lie.
What is he to do ?

Mahdavikia as U21 coach has power and leverage.
He ought to have long ago threatened to cross out any players who failed to show up for training.

[Nokhodi]

Mahdavikia as U21 coach has power and leverage.
He ought to have long ago threatened to cross out any players who failed to show up for training.

When your conch will bench you if you go to the u21 team, combined with a football that doesn’t give opportunities to young players often, no player will risk his club career.

[St_Mark]

I should have added, Persepolis and Teraktor also didn’t cooperate.

If the games are not on fifa days, and clubs have no obligation then what is the point of the Olympic team?
Afc is not going to coordinate the u23 schedule to Match the senior schedule then this will always be an issue.

Might as well just say oh well and give up.

Either give u23 TM it’s players or stop complaining about youth football.

.

As I previously stated, the IFF has issued a directive requiring clubs to release players even on non-FIFA days up to five days before the game.
More than five days must be discussed.