Clarification on skocic vs CQ misinformation..

[Babak agha]

He put Iran back in people's minds. Anyone who spoke to pundits or people from other countries at the world cups could see that



Were they playing for Bayern right before CQ took over? The team was in the absolute wilderness.



If we can't appreciate things - simply how the guy impacted & revolutionalised our football, then we are doomed to failure again and again.

I'll bet you most people still will think of Ali Daei if you mention Iran. Iran was never 'gone' from people's mind, as much as it is not in their mind now. Literally our opponents coaches have said they don't know much about Iran and they have to study us. So I don't really get what type of argument this is..

It's true that during his time he at least demanded for better conditions, but you should also forget that Iran was in a slightly better situation then compared to now.

If things were going better, we wouldn't have ended up with Skocic in the first place.

Now imagine if CQ was an option at all to start with.. the guy already has proven 4 times that he can't achieve the desired results in the cups that matter, so why do we keep mentioning him? He might be better than Skocic, but still not good enough to get us anywhere.

[O-ZoNe]

It always amazes me how people ask for hard evidence whenever they are confronted with an argument they don't like. Like is anyone of your own opinions based on some smoking gun evidence that you have uncovered? If no, how come you resort to this high bar when people say things you don't like? Btw, you know what the evidence is in this particular case? Zero friendlies scheduled as of yet vs. CQ ripping the federation a new one every time they tried to obstruct his plans, with the tangible consequence of having some semi-decent friendlies in the run-up to the two world cups he led us to.

Opinions are not facts. I've continuously stated this. My opinions are no more valid than yours or vice versa. What does CQ have to do with Skocic being a yes man? How do you know Skocic is being supported by IFF or vice versa? Maybe we can't get friendlies cause Skocic wants x and IFF demanding Y. The evidence you presented and others have countlessly mentioned is that IFF is inept and has a track record of failing to deliver on coaches demands, fans expectations, and any semblance of preparation. So which is it now?

So all of a sudden we are to believe IFF and Skocic are in cahoots when they couldn't get along with any other coach to date? Ya I think this sudden reversal warrants some evidence that backs this claim up.

The problem in our society and sports is the Khaleh Zanak bazi. It amazes me that we feel it is ok to slander, defame, and if called out we say well believe us. We are an authority on the issue. If you make factual claims...or quote a source, you should back it up.

Everyday IFF officials come on and make claims about friendlies, then say ask this or that person for details as i cannot provide more...give it up. It's such a viscious cycle and some of our fans are no better than IFF.

The Skocic hate is unreal!

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[Lorestani]

And did Arya from Gol Bezan submit any evidence of him being a yes man? Curious to see what sanad or madrak Arya has. Not sure very many Yes Men would state second round of WC is the teams goal. Yes men would more likely state we are happy to be here and participate...

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It always amazes me how people ask for hard evidence whenever they are confronted with an argument they don't like. Like is anyone of your own opinions based on some smoking gun evidence that you have uncovered? If no, how come you resort to this high bar when people say things you don't like? Btw, you know what the evidence is in this particular case? Zero friendlies scheduled as of yet vs. CQ ripping the federation a new one every time they tried to obstruct his plans, with the tangible consequence of having some semi-decent friendlies in the run-up to the two world cups he led us to.

[Taz]

I like the idea that your average know-nothing tabloid reading English football fan respects Japan and South Korea because of their playing style and not the fact they've actually heard of their players

No Asian national teams' performances register on the radar of your average European football fan beside their 3/4 games every 4 years. No one watches Asian Cup let alone Asian WC Qualifiers.

South Korea have one of the world's best players and one of the most in-form players in the EPL and Japan have a history of recognisable names and 1 current player at Liverpool. Those 2 alone bring a bit of familiarity to those teams for your average English fan but even drawing against either of them would be met with positivity because no Asian side is to be feared.

Your average English fan isn't familiar with ARJ and Ghoddos let alone Taremi and Azmoun. And let's be honest, them thinking Iran is a good draw on names alone may be disrespectful but it's certainly not innacurate if they'd watched any of our disgusting performances over the last 2 years.

[Ali.Karimi79]

What's the point of this useless discussion? Skocic will be our coach @ the world cup whether you like it or not.
Will you complain and whine till eternity? Or is it some ego trip and you wish TM to fail just to come here and say "didi goftam"?!

Just aksept and foloo baba!

TM needs support, capiche?

[O-ZoNe]

With perhaps very slightly less respect, you didn't get my point.

I was giving the example of Saudi Arabia's world cup results as a team which goes out playing what you call possession attacking football. Humiliating.

You give the example of teams like Japan which has over a dozen high level central midfielders, deep lying playmakers whereas we have hardly any. Again, realism and pragmatism ham khoob chiziyeh ffs....

How many players does Saudi have in Holland, England, Portugal, Belgium, Spain, and Germany right now?

Also doubt anyone could say KSA went all out attacking against Germany. From what I recall they looked like a grade school team who couldn't even blow a kiss towards the ball and were destroyed on the pitch at every opportunity. That was not football but a murder scene! Lol I remember they even made several foul throw ins!

Optimism and belief is not a bad thing either mate

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[DR Strangemoosh]

With all due respect, you got it all wrong mate. We have never lost 5-0 or 8-0. Japan and SK are well respected not because of their players in Europe, because they play football, possession attacking football.

With perhaps very slightly less respect, you didn't get my point.

I was giving the example of Saudi Arabia's world cup results as a team which goes out playing what you call possession attacking football to impress the fans and which backfired spectacularly at two world cups. Humiliating.

You give the example of teams like Japan which has over a dozen high level central midfielders, deep lying playmakers whereas we have hardly any. In central midfield we have to rely on players who are so far out of shape or form..., and since Nekounam we have not had a single decent deep lying playmaker.

Japan has players who are no way near their national team playing regularly at high level - take Celtic's three Japanese players for example.

We have such a dearth of players in these key positions , even compared to teams ranked well below us and yet people want us to play possession attacking football in the fricking world cup. Akheh, realism and pragmatism, ham khoob chiziyeh ffs....

This is why people still don't get how much we over performed in WC with Queiroz. Maybe studying Japan's A, B and C squads will make the penny drop.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Losing 5-0 or 8-0 is probably more of a respect-buster than getting decent results with a skeletal core against Argentina, Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Bosnia.

Being realistic or pragmatic is not a bad thing. Queiroz did at least get us on the map for our world cup performances.

Regarding a tabloid headline - Iranian players are unknown in England, with players like Dejagha, Ando etc... barely registering. So we are considered much less well known than teams like S Korea as 90% of English fans aren't aware of us having any continental or world class players (eg how Hakimi, Ziyech etc... are viewed for Morocco) and hence we are genuinely seen as a lucky draw for that country in particular.

With all due respect, you got it all wrong mate. We have never lost 5-0 or 8-0. Japan and SK are well respected not because of their players in Europe, because they play football, possession attacking football.

[O-ZoNe]

Losing 5-0 or 8-0 is probably more of a respect-buster than getting decent results with a skeletal core against Argentina, Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Bosnia.

Being realistic or pragmatic is not a bad thing. Queiroz did at least get us on the map for our world cup performances.

Regarding a tabloid headline - Iranian players are unknown in England, with players like Dejagha, Ando etc... barely registering. So we are considered much less well known than teams like S Korea as 90% of English fans aren't aware of us having any continental or world class players (eg how Hakimi, Ziyech etc... are viewed for Morocco) and hence we are genuinely seen as a lucky draw for that country in particular.

Why do we play football? To participate? To draw? To lose? No! We play To win as it is a competition. Cq tactics gave us a chance not to lose but also robbed us of any chance of winning. If the Morocco own goal didn't happen we wouldn't even be talking about CQ right now. Fact is anyone who understands football knows you cannot win a match without attacking. At a minimum you must create more than 1 or 2 opportunities a match to win on a regular basis. In order to do this you have to have better than all time record low possession numbers in WCs!

A loss is a loss whether it is 1-0 or 100-0. I would rather lose a match 10-0 and win the next two and advance rather than have a respectable outing without a major defeat. Maximize your chances. We play football to win...period.

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[DR Strangemoosh]

Of course "It's Iranian men, halleluiah" is international respect. Are you sure this "international respect" isn't an imaginary or wishful thinking one? Just because we drew against Portugal - a team that CQ knew too well and beating Moracco by own goal in the dying seconds does not translate into a team that is worthy of international respect. When you play possession and attacking football then you earn international respect. parking the bus and playing anti-football earns international mockery. "It's Iranian men, halleluiah" thanks to CQ.

Losing 5-0 or 8-0 is probably more of a respect-buster than getting decent results with a skeletal core against Argentina, Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Bosnia.

Being realistic or pragmatic is not a bad thing. Queiroz did at least get us on the map for our world cup performances.

Regarding a tabloid headline - Iranian players are unknown in England, with players like Dejagha, Ando etc... barely registering. So we are considered much less well known than teams like S Korea as 90% of English fans aren't aware of us having any continental or world class players (eg how Hakimi, Ziyech etc... are viewed for Morocco) and hence we are genuinely seen as a lucky draw for that country in particular.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Of course "It's Iranian men, halleluiah" is international respect. Are you sure this "international respect" isn't an imaginary or wishful thinking one? Just because we drew against Portugal - a team that CQ knew too well and beating Moracco by own goal in the dying seconds does not translate into a team that is worthy of international respect. When you play possession and attacking football then you earn international respect. parking the bus and playing anti-football earns international mockery. "It's Iranian men, halleluiah" thanks to CQ.

[DR Strangemoosh]

OMG again with the CQ. People make it sound like Iran didn't know what football was before him. "He put Iran on the International map".

He put Iran back in people's minds. Anyone who spoke to pundits or people from other countries at the world cups could see that

Iran had 3 players that played for Bayern before CQ.. how many played for Bayern or other top team after CQ?

Were they playing for Bayern right before CQ took over? The team was in the absolute wilderness.

We had him for 8 years that's more than enough.

If we can't appreciate things - simply how the guy impacted & revolutionalised our football, then we are doomed to failure again and again.

[peiman92]

OMG again with the CQ. People make it sound like Iran didn't know what football was before him. "He put Iran on the International map".

Iran had 3 players that played for Bayern before CQ.. how many played for Bayern or other top team after CQ?

Please stop it. Wether you like Skocic or not, CQ is not the answer. We had him for 8 years that's more than enough.

You're right, he didn't put Iran on the international map.
He put Iran back on the international map.

When compared to Skocic, CQ will always be the answer.

[kaebi kabab]

go and see the facilities TM trained in during the away camps of WCQ and see for yourself if Sko is a yes man...

[a_m]

“””Iran had 3 players that played for Bayern before CQ.. how many played for Bayern or other top team after CQ?

Please stop it. Wether you like Skocic or not, CQ is not the answer. We had him for 8 years that's more than enough”””

Neither of the players were true starters, That doesn’t makes us any better or worse , players playing in a big club is all individual talent …

“””And did Arya from Gol Bezan submit any evidence of him being a yes man? Curious to see what sanad or madrak Arya has. Not sure very many Yes Men would state second round of WC is the teams goal. Yes men would more likely state we are happy to be here and participate...”””

Are you insane bro mostly everyone even inside of Iran has come to the conclusion that skocic is a YES MAN , I doesn’t take allot to notice that he is …