Clarification on skocic vs CQ misinformation..

[Ostad_Goosfand]

Sorry in Seoul. Anyways we also have Iran Syria 2-2...many other examples. Point is apples and oranges. You are missing the forest for trees mate.

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In Seoul, with 10 men, and not allowing Korea to even get near Iran goal

[mehdi13]

Lol cause you are comparing two separate matches that only have 1 thing in common...a coach. Different lineup. Different circumstances (already qualified vs not)' Different host. Even CQ or any other coach didn't win all their matches. Forest for the trees buddy. It's like arguing with a wall.

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Oh. Only the coach was the same. Very small and insignificant detail.

[Lorestani]

Because your comparisons are akin to apples and oranges. If CQ had the same lineup as Skocic and similar circumstances what do you think the outcome would be?

BTW 1996 Mayeli Kohan beat South Korea 6-2 in AC. So by your logic Mayeli Kohan is a better coach than CQ??? No one in the right mind would say that because ignoring circumstances and factors of the head 2 head would be illogical. So wanna discuss mental acrobatics still?

As the Americans say "denial" is not just a river in Egypt.

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You have time and again shown a very liberal relationship to evidence. You comfortably discard it or demand highest standards when you review other people's arguments, yet you yourself either provide no evidence whatsoever for your arguments (e.g. Skocic turning down NZ because he wants better opponents) or conveniently distort and skew evidence (e.g. CQ's friendlies). Not sure what you are trying to achieve, but whatever it is, you ain't achieving it.

[O-ZoNe]

I believe it is you who is comparing apples and oranges by responding to my question about Skocic’s result with another coach’s result.

Lol cause you are comparing two separate matches that only have 1 thing in common...a coach. Different lineup. Different circumstances (already qualified vs not)' Different host. Even CQ or any other coach didn't win all their matches. Forest for the trees buddy. It's like arguing with a wall.

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[mehdi13]

Sorry in Seoul. Anyways we also have Iran Syria 2-2...many other examples. Point is apples and oranges. You are missing the forest for trees mate.

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I believe it is you who is comparing apples and oranges by responding to my question about Skocic’s result with another coach’s result.

[O-ZoNe]

This never happened.

Sorry in Seoul. Anyways we also have Iran Syria 2-2...many other examples. Point is apples and oranges. You are missing the forest for trees mate.

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[mehdi13]

we drew them 0-0 in Tehran in 2017

This never happened.

[O-ZoNe]

And why couldn’t he win in Tehran with a full lineup? I forget the excuse for that one…

Maybe for the same reason we drew them 0-0 in Tehran in 2017? Just a guess...no clue. Again apples and oranges.

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[mehdi13]

We only lost once right? Let me see which Asian team with half its A lineup out can beat SK with the likes of Son in Seoul and then we can discuss your point.

And why couldn’t he win in Tehran with a full lineup? I forget the excuse for that one…

[O-ZoNe]

Whataboutism, sorry to say. Again, why would you engage in mental acrobatics by mentioning other Asian teams when we actually have a much better comparison at hand, i.e TM's performance against South Korea under CQ? Skocic did not manage to win against South Korea twice, now go back and check CQ's performance against other Asian powerhouses.

Because your comparisons are akin to apples and oranges. If CQ had the same lineup as Skocic and similar circumstances what do you think the outcome would be?

BTW 1996 Mayeli Kohan beat South Korea 6-2 in AC. So by your logic Mayeli Kohan is a better coach than CQ??? No one in the right mind would say that because ignoring circumstances and factors of the head 2 head would be illogical. So wanna discuss mental acrobatics still?

As the Americans say "denial" is not just a river in Egypt.

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[Lorestani]

We only lost once right? Let me see which Asian team with half its A lineup out can beat SK with the likes of Son in Seoul and then we can discuss your point.

And don't say Japan...the same Japan that lost to Oman and KSA and drew Vietnam...any team with 6-7 regulars out would struggle.

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Whataboutism, sorry to say. Again, why would you engage in mental acrobatics by mentioning other Asian teams when we actually have a much better comparison at hand, i.e TM's performance against South Korea under CQ? Skocic did not manage to win against South Korea twice, now go back and check CQ's performance against other Asian powerhouses.

[tooleh khers]

It's true, many people were voting for Mohamed Qotb Abou Gabal Ali over frauds like Messi and Ronaldo for Ballon D'or during his superb spells at Smouha Sporting Club. And to think CQ could only get them to the final and losing it against a bunch of African nobodies in Senegal.

So clueless his fans must be. Egypte has 7 African cups and 3 runner ups. Once again CQ has done nothing out of the ordinary with Africa's most successful team.

[tooleh khers]

The only day-and-night difference I can spot here is your changing views on CQ.

First of all, is it not permitted to change views based on a coach's performance? Are you not able to look in hindsight and register information? 60% in Asia with Iran, did not win any titles, did not advance in world cup groups having been given two opportunities and 8 years at the helm with total control and a blank cheque. Second, I did not change my views his report card came in. that is how it is. Had a even gone to an Asian cup final (not even winning it), or had he advanced from the group in a world cup you will not be seeing me criticizing his record. In fact I would be a fan and claim him as one of the best but sadly it all fell apart for him when it mattered most. Third, some less intelligent members like to pick and collect some positive comments I made about CQ but completely ignore the negative ones made around the same time.

[O-ZoNe]

How about not being able to win against SK twice? You mention second-rated teams, but conveniently omit that which counts considering we are *checks notes* preparing for a World Cup.

We only lost once right? Let me see which Asian team with half its A lineup out can beat SK with the likes of Son in Seoul and then we can discuss your point.

And don't say Japan...the same Japan that lost to Oman and KSA and drew Vietnam...any team with 6-7 regulars out would struggle.

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[Roozbeh-G2006]

TBH I find these threads about Skocic trolling threads.