Leonardo Jardim

[DR Strangemoosh]

On the paper it may seem better to some that we probably could do better with a head coach who is experienced at top international level. But realistically everything boils down to the pool of players. If you don't have 23 good players who can compete at higher levels then you will lose a game by a simple mistake or multiple mistakes of a below par players no matter what brilliant tactics you have employed. I don't believe we have 23 players at that level yet. We saw that against SK. A few key players out and we lost to a team who has not done well against us for the last 12 years. So realistically we won't do much better to get a coach who is unfamiliar with our football players, culture, way of thinking, and incompetent federation, etc.

This is why I always say on this forum a good coach can make a team so much more than the some of its parts... and why we performed against and in some cases beat teams which had transfermarkt valuations 4 or 5 times more than us and players throughout European leagues in both 2014 and 2018 world cups.

Just as before, we have much weaker defenders and midfielders, it's up to a coach to do what he can with the ingredients he has.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

On the paper it may seem better to some that we probably could do better with a head coach who is experienced at top international level. But realistically everything boils down to the pool of players. If you don't have 23 good players who can compete at higher levels then you will lose a game by a simple mistake or multiple mistakes of a below par players no matter what brilliant tactics you have employed. I don't believe we have 23 players at that level yet. We saw that against SK. A few key players out and we lost to a team who has not done well against us for the last 12 years. So realistically we won't do much better to get a coach who is unfamiliar with our football players, culture, way of thinking, and incompetent federation, etc.

[DR Strangemoosh]

Guys can we please close these pointless threads about signing new coaches. Its getting annoying ! We all know its not going to happen, so please concentrate on other important factors such as friendly games. Please stay away from hashieh and let skocic, hashemian and bagheri do their job please.

Beside that I don't think coach is the only problem at the moment

Hamidi estili wanted this group: Portugal , USA , Iran and canada. He didn't know that usa and canada can't be in the same group! thats how messed our IFF is.

Hamid estili masalan sarparast team melli hastan!

Now is the best time to fix these problems. We've done it before and still achieved much better than anyone ever expected at the time (1998).

Now is the time to get a professional coach who has good fitness, tactical analysis and especially psychological coaching team working with him.


As getting to the second round needs to be the only goal and the whole combination now is not looking good - Skocic, Estili, Bagheri respect to all of them particularly our heroes but no, please no



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[milad_b]

Guys can we please close these pointless threads about signing new coaches. Its getting annoying ! We all know its not going to happen, so please concentrate on other important factors such as friendly games. Please stay away from hashieh and let skocic, hashemian and bagheri do their job please.

Beside that I don't think coach is the only problem at the moment

Hamidi estili wanted this group: Portugal , USA , Iran and canada. He didn't know that usa and canada can't be in the same group! thats how messed our IFF is.

Hamid estili masalan sarparast team melli hastan!

[Iran_19]

Leo for TM!

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[DR Strangemoosh]

Guys we need an actual coach now! We really have a chance to do something, I haven't been this excited for a long time....

Skocic has done wonders in terms of results and I hope we can give him a great pay-off (which he deserves) and a lucrative contract wherever he wants in the Persian Gulf.

But anyone with grey matter knows that we are going to be destroyed in the WC unless we get someone. Come on guys, surely, please tell me you have some realism about how we have been playing and shaping up as a team...? Please...?

Jardim's fine, would personally love Carvalhal but that's not going to happen it seems. Espírito Santo has great experience in England and even would look like one of our boys if we pop an ammammeh on him. Queiroz I personally would love obviously.



I really think that with a coach 1) who knows the sacrifices for getting results in world cup 2) has experience 3) can work to get us friendlies against Canada, Belgium and N.Ireland/Eire we can make it in our sixth attempt to get to the second round before the format changes and the whole prestige of the tournament changes

[Keshwardoost]

People forget this. They all believe we have 8 months complete at our disposal. This is a huge factor. Leagues will go to the wire...training camps will be short. Just look at all the qualifiers being crammed in right now...when did we last have WC groups decided with some teams still unknown?!
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thats right, but we also have time for a camp in june since its space for friendlies there aswell, so that is always something aswell.

Dates Matches or tournaments

30 May – 14 June 2022 4 firenldy days
19–27 September 2022 2 friendly days
November/December 2022 2022 FIFA World Cup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_International_Match_Calendar

[peiman92]

Any news?

[O-ZoNe]

People, please remember that the next eight months until the WC is completely different the 6 months that Ivic had before 1998 WC and CQ had before 2014 and 2018. Most likely we’ll have two weeks in June and the week before WC to fit in all our camps and Friendlies. It is the same for all teams, but would mean suicide for teams that want to change their coach. This World Cup, unlike all others, you can’t take the players for a two week conditioning camp, then give them a few days rest and start another two week camp where you work on tactics, have friendlies, etc…. You get your players a week before WC and you have to do everything in that one week.

This may actually be to our benefic because all team will be equally ill prepare as IFF’s team.

People forget this. They all believe we have 8 months complete at our disposal. This is a huge factor. Leagues will go to the wire...training camps will be short. Just look at all the qualifiers being crammed in right now...when did we last have WC groups decided with some teams still unknown?!

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[Farzadfarhangni]

People, please remember that the next eight months until the WC is completely different the 6 months that Ivic had before 1998 WC and CQ had before 2014 and 2018. Most likely we’ll have two weeks in June and the week before WC to fit in all our camps and Friendlies. It is the same for all teams, but would mean suicide for teams that want to change their coach. This World Cup, unlike all others, you can’t take the players for a two week conditioning camp, then give them a few days rest and start another two week camp where you work on tactics, have friendlies, etc…. You get your players a week before WC and you have to do everything in that one week.

This may actually be to our benefic because all team will be equally ill prepare as IFF’s team.

[PSGman#19]

There are so many assumptions in this post I don't know where to start...
"People want results + beautiful play" - Nope
"And please instead of creating fake rumors like the sardar/skocic dispute" - Where have I created fake rumours about sardar and skocic?
khasteh shodam....

No directed on you for the 2nd point, but how many post and tweet I saw about it yesterday?

But come on, if we win most of our game 1/0, you know people will complain about how we play bad etc..
If we play like the big Ajax but have sub-par results, people will also complain

Edit : I saw you edited your post and I am happy you enjoyed Morocco/Iran. But how many "Morocco played better, we were lucky with an own goal" coming from iranians?

[DR Strangemoosh]

Wilmots gave playing time at mohebi but at which cost?
Skocic could do anything, it will never be enough. People want results + beautiful play + considering our experienced and legionnaires + developping new players (something iran as whole don't do quite often and even cq bring young players slowly in his 8 years), etc.. If he managed to beat SK, we all know we would have read it was a weak SK, a meaningless game etc..
And please instead of creating fake rumors like the sardar/skocic dispute or other ks, please ask for the Egyptian passport.
Btw, brazil lost 7/1,spain 5/1 at world cup, Germany (or spain) also lost 6/0 recently, it can happen to every teams
Half of the forum is near suicide after the sk loss, predicting a dark future (what did they predict after we draw Syria at azadi in 2017 or after the 7/1 loss in 98?).

There are so many assumptions in this post I don't know where to start...

"People want results + beautiful play" - Nope. Speaking for myself the tactical discipline we played in 2018 (apart from first 20 mins against Morocco) was the most exciting thing I'd seen from TM for a long time. I just want to see the team move up and down together and be in sync with each other. That doesn't look to certain eyes as beautiful play, it's pragmatic and well-drilled play.

"And please instead of creating fake rumors like the sardar/skocic dispute" - Where have I created fake rumours about sardar and skocic? Een az koodoom soorakh dar omad akheh...


khasteh shodam....

[PSGman#19]

This is where you and I respectfully differ - I always feel you aren't realistic about Iran's situation, so that's the core of why you don't appreciate what CQ did over 8 years.
98 could have gone so different for 1 game, or 2 games, but 3 games? Getting a 2-0 loss against Germany, 1-0 loss due to Nakisa sooti on free-kick and beating USA 2-1. Now I appreciate the work was from Ivic, not Talebi, but that was a damn decent world cup given the expectations on Iran.
Not saying that Talebi was a good coach, but making 1 sub is not really much of an argument either because I've seen so many "good" coaches make 1 sub late against when playing against much stronger team.
I feel that you need to witness a Saudi-style 8-0 destruction to see how Iran could potentially be humiliated and then things will go into perspective a bit more. That's what I'm worried about at the moment....
Again (feeling like I'm repeating myself here)... it's not about the 1 match! It's about the lack of development/regression over 16 matches. Iran's way of playing and shape looks like 2009 again when we were finally after four decades playing good professional disciplined football with versatile tactics depending on the opposition.... The guy hasn't developed any new players - literally every coach has done that - even Wiltits gave good experience to Mohebi. Iran has just gone backwards..
I think we fundamentally disagree on too much here....

Wilmots gave playing time at mohebi but at which cost?
Skocic could do anything, it will never be enough. People want results + beautiful play + considering our experienced and legionnaires + developping new players (something iran as whole don't do quite often and even cq bring young players slowly in his 8 years), etc.. If he managed to beat SK, we all know we would have read it was a weak SK, a meaningless game etc..
And please instead of creating fake rumors like the sardar/skocic dispute or other ks, please ask for the Egyptian passport.
Btw, brazil lost 7/1,spain 5/1 at world cup, Germany (or spain) also lost 6/0 recently, it can happen to every teams
Half of the forum is near suicide after the sk loss, predicting a dark future (what did they predict after we draw Syria at azadi in 2017 or after the 7/1 loss in 98?).

[O-ZoNe]

This is where you and I respectfully differ - I always feel you aren't realistic about Iran's situation, so that's the core of why you don't appreciate what CQ did over 8 years.

98 could have gone so different for 1 game, or 2 games, but 3 games? Getting a 2-0 loss against Germany, 1-0 loss due to Nakisa sooti on free-kick and beating USA 2-1. Now I appreciate the work was from Ivic, not Talebi, but that was a damn decent world cup given the expectations on Iran.

Not saying that Talebi was a good coach, but making 1 sub is not really much of an argument either because I've seen so many "good" coaches make 1 sub late against when playing against much stronger team.

I feel that you need to witness a Saudi-style 8-0 destruction to see how Iran could potentially be humiliated and then things will go into perspective a bit more. That's what I'm worried about at the moment....




Again (feeling like I'm repeating myself here)... it's not about the 1 match! It's about the lack of development/regression over 16 matches. Iran's way of playing and shape looks like 2009 again when we were finally after four decades playing good professional disciplined football with versatile tactics depending on the opposition.... The guy hasn't developed any new players - literally every coach has done that - even Wiltits gave good experience to Mohebi. Iran has just gone backwards..




I think we fundamentally disagree on too much here....

In order to develop players you have to take risks...including risking a loss. Skocic tried his B team to see how it stacked...folks want him to develop and experiment but not lose. That is unrealistic. Give the guy a chance.

Under Skocic our possession game improved. Passing is more complete and we are no longer a 1 dimensional attacking team. Abedzadeh took over in goal and all this during COVID with no meaningful camps or friendlies. Odds were against him from start...and he's earned his keep.

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[DR Strangemoosh]

But 98 could have gone so different. Imagine the team had stability with Ivic in the WC. Talebi did zero. In the Yugo match I believe he only made 1 sub. Who in their right mind is gonna come in and put effort in Skocic has thus far.

This is where you and I respectfully differ - I always feel you aren't realistic about Iran's situation, so that's the core of why you don't appreciate what CQ did over 8 years.

Sure - 98 could have gone so different for 1 game, or 2 games, but 3 games? Getting a 2-0 loss against Germany, 1-0 loss against Yugoslavia of Mijatovic/Savicevic/Stojkovic etc... due to Nakisa sooti on free-kick and beating USA 2-1. Now I appreciate the work was from Ivic, not Talebi, but that was a damn decent world cup given the expectations on Iran.

And not saying that Talebi was a good coach, but making 1 sub is not really much of an argument either because I've seen so many "good" coaches make 1 sub late against when playing against much stronger team.

I feel that you need to witness a Saudi-style 8-0 destruction to see how Iran could potentially be humiliated and then things might go into perspective a bit more. That's what I'm worried about at the moment....

It's like we all predicted...if Sko used this match to experiment with a lineup he was dammed if he lost. If he won we would all say meaningless game. Poor guy is stuck between a rock and a hard place for just 1 match!

Again (feeling like I'm repeating myself here)... it's not about the 1 match! It's about the lack of development/regression over 16 matches. Iran's way of playing and shape looks like 2009 again when we were finally after four decades playing good professional disciplined football with versatile tactics depending on the opposition.... The guy hasn't developed any new players - literally every coach has done that - even Wiltits gave good first experience to Mohebi. The team has gone backwards.


I think we fundamentally disagree on too much here....