This was just so embarrassing (Korea-Iran)

[somebuffguy]

better to have a tough game today to reveal our weakpoints than it is to see them for the first time in the first match of the WC. With JB and Taremi and ezzatolahhi, the score would not have been 2-0, so I wouldn't be too embarrassed about the result.

The most important takeway from th is match is that we have 3 or 4 players which are question marks, and one or 2 that should be crossed off the list. Gholami and Hajsafi are those 2 players who should be gone. Gholami, even if he was playing out of position left his man open so many times. The second goal was completely on him. He showed nothing on either end of the field. Hajsafi is outright useless, even as a utility player.

Mohammadi is a one dimensional player. He has speed and can cover alot of ground and even if he leaves a player open, he makes up for it through his speed and recovers. He is a good defender . On attacks, however, he's a black hole. I have never seen this player go up the sideline and at least deliver a decent cross. It seems he has no foot strength.

Gholizadeh should not start, period. He would be effective in the 2nd half playing against a tired defense given his explosiveness. Abedzadeh to me is a question mark. He is small compared to most of the top Goalkeepers of the world. A GK needs to have a presence in goal, and every time I see him, he seems to be one of the smallest players and it is scary to see him on set plays against top teams. Whether Beiro is in shape or not, at least you felt he had control of the aerial game due to his size. And ofcourse the mistake Abedzadeh made against Korea was inexcusable. Either he's too cocky, or he was overpowered. I hope that was his cocky side.

As for our coaching staff, I hope we retire this stupid 4-3-2-1 formation. Sardar Azmoun surrounded with 4 defenders will not give you results especially when you lack a creative playmaking midfielder.

I'd love to see more of Allahyar to be honest. That one-two with Sardar was gorgeous. Too bad it didn't result in a goal but it seemed like they had an intuition for what the other one was doing.

[peiman92]

I am not embarrassed, and I don't think TM should be either. Yes, we didn't play well, and were the worse team on the day.

Aberomon raft. Well Branko also managed to lose 2-0 to South Korea. Maybe they talked before the game? Let's not forget they are hamvatans.

Skocic: "Hi Branko! Do you have any advice on how to not repeat your 2-0 disaster vs Korea in 2005?"

Branko: "Hmm... Well i suggest you do not start with more than 1 left back!"

Skocic: "Oh i see.. Thanks a lot!" Starts 4 left backs vs Korea

[somebuffguy]

This thread is such an overreaction.

If yesterday was such an embarrassment, then we should be expecting mass suicide in Italy today. Perhaps Australia, Mexico and Canada too.

We lost one game in a successful qualification campaign with only half of our A team, and it was played away at a rival's home who hadn't beaten us in over a decade.

Cool. Lets get better, focus on the big picture and move forward.

Get your common sense out of here man. This is a BS only zone

[Shantaram]

I am embarrassed that the coach lacks tactical competence, I would do a better job with TM than this shit. This just showed how weak our group actually is and when SK are in form they will beat our ass easily

[Hosseini]

better to have a tough game today to reveal our weakpoints than it is to see them for the first time in the first match of the WC. With JB and Taremi and ezzatolahhi, the score would not have been 2-0, so I wouldn't be too embarrassed about the result.

The most important takeway from th is match is that we have 3 or 4 players which are question marks, and one or 2 that should be crossed off the list. Gholami and Hajsafi are those 2 players who should be gone. Gholami, even if he was playing out of position left his man open so many times. The second goal was completely on him. He showed nothing on either end of the field. Hajsafi is outright useless, even as a utility player.

Mohammadi is a one dimensional player. He has speed and can cover alot of ground and even if he leaves a player open, he makes up for it through his speed and recovers. He is a good defender . On attacks, however, he's a black hole. I have never seen this player go up the sideline and at least deliver a decent cross. It seems he has no foot strength.

Gholizadeh should not start, period. He would be effective in the 2nd half playing against a tired defense given his explosiveness. Abedzadeh to me is a question mark. He is small compared to most of the top Goalkeepers of the world. A GK needs to have a presence in goal, and every time I see him, he seems to be one of the smallest players and it is scary to see him on set plays against top teams. Whether Beiro is in shape or not, at least you felt he had control of the aerial game due to his size. And ofcourse the mistake Abedzadeh made against Korea was inexcusable. Either he's too cocky, or he was overpowered. I hope that was his cocky side.

As for our coaching staff, I hope we retire this stupid 4-3-2-1 formation. Sardar Azmoun surrounded with 4 defenders will not give you results especially when you lack a creative playmaking midfielder.

Great analysis

[Hosseini]

Excuse me but Khatibi spoke alot of s*it. TM wasn't his training ground. Enayati would say garbage like that too and we saw how "good" they were.

Daei was horrible then, but its not Daei's fault Khatibi couldn't hit a cow's backside with a banjo.

Remember Khatibi's world-class penalty, smashing it right down the middle into Lee Won Jae's leg during AC 2007? Lol

[inarsenewetrust]

Did Beiro meet them at his film premier or was it playing FiFa ? Partly joking but the only players Beiro has been facing lately are those opposite him playing football on the pitch.
I will always respect the saves he made in the last World Cup and his beautiful penalty saved from Penaldo but I rewatched the games lately and my heart was in my mouth at points with him in goal. I also have a lot of time for him and his story, he is an inspiration. But I’m worried his best days are behind him.

I think beiro does have more top level experience compared to Abedz. WC, AC, even stressful ACL games.

Just in the EL he produced a really strong game vs Tottenham that included Son, Kane, etc.

Issue is he is so out of practice given benching in portugal there is no way he can take abedz spot atm.

And Abedz showed with quick bounce back within 15 mins that he is mentally in a much better place than beiro.

[OFFSIDE_1]

better to have a tough game today to reveal our weakpoints than it is to see them for the first time in the first match of the WC. With JB and Taremi and ezzatolahhi, the score would not have been 2-0, so I wouldn't be too embarrassed about the result.

The most important takeway from th is match is that we have 3 or 4 players which are question marks, and one or 2 that should be crossed off the list. Gholami and Hajsafi are those 2 players who should be gone. Gholami, even if he was playing out of position left his man open so many times. The second goal was completely on him. He showed nothing on either end of the field. Hajsafi is outright useless, even as a utility player.

Mohammadi is a one dimensional player. He has speed and can cover alot of ground and even if he leaves a player open, he makes up for it through his speed and recovers. He is a good defender . On attacks, however, he's a black hole. I have never seen this player go up the sideline and at least deliver a decent cross. It seems he has no foot strength.

Gholizadeh should not start, period. He would be effective in the 2nd half playing against a tired defense given his explosiveness. Abedzadeh to me is a question mark. He is small compared to most of the top Goalkeepers of the world. A GK needs to have a presence in goal, and every time I see him, he seems to be one of the smallest players and it is scary to see him on set plays against top teams. Whether Beiro is in shape or not, at least you felt he had control of the aerial game due to his size. And ofcourse the mistake Abedzadeh made against Korea was inexcusable. Either he's too cocky, or he was overpowered. I hope that was his cocky side.

As for our coaching staff, I hope we retire this stupid 4-3-2-1 formation. Sardar Azmoun surrounded with 4 defenders will not give you results especially when you lack a creative playmaking midfielder.

[Medzdidz]

Bro, can you not talk about our former Tottenham Hotspur player like that?

All joking aside, what was he doing, did he try to catch a swerving Son shot? This is where experience of facing top quality players comes into its own and where Beiro trumps Abedz.

Did Beiro meet them at his film premier or was it playing FiFa ? Partly joking but the only players Beiro has been facing lately are those opposite him playing football on the pitch.
I will always respect the saves he made in the last World Cup and his beautiful penalty saved from Penaldo but I rewatched the games lately and my heart was in my mouth at points with him in goal. I also have a lot of time for him and his story, he is an inspiration. But I’m worried his best days are behind him.

[shahin2000]

Excuse me but Khatibi spoke alot of s*it. TM wasn't his training ground. Enayati would say garbage like that too and we saw how "good" they were.

Daei was horrible then, but its not Daei's fault Khatibi couldn't hit a cow's backside with a banjo.

lol cow's backside with a banjo... I will keep that in mind

[Nokhodi]

I remember that moment... in fact years later in an interview Khatibi himself said that he should have had more opportunities hinting that players like Daei took playing time from him.

Excuse me but Khatibi spoke alot of s*it. TM wasn't his training ground. Enayati would say garbage like that too and we saw how "good" they were.

Daei was horrible then, but its not Daei's fault Khatibi couldn't hit a cow's backside with a banjo.

[shahin2000]

Yap, and even in the Portugal game we had a late chance which Esteghlal fan favorite Khatibi couldn't finish!
Football truly is about brief moments.

I remember that moment... in fact years later in an interview Khatibi himself said that he should have had more opportunities hinting that players like Daei took playing time from him.

[Reza_Abdolahi]

Doosteh azeez, for me, it was the build-up to this and Skocic's inability to use all the resources available to him. He could have called other players who are actually doing well in Europe/Qatar (e.g. Alipour, Mohebi, Ebrahimi) Or come up with a line-up that did not have so many out-of-expertise positions for our players OR do more decent subs earlier (Esmailifar for Shoja, Sayaadmanesh at half time, etc.). One measure of competency in life is consistently asking whether one is effectively using all the resources available. Skocic failed to do that. Considering his lack of urgency in the two months after qualification, I don't think he will correct himself. Hence the reaction by many of us.

Go TM!

Like I said, it could be prevented with a different tactic/line up. but still... its not like we lost 5-0 against India. under the circumstances it could be even worse. and lets not act like santa clara and maritimo's benchwarmers would turn a 2-0 into 2-3 against Korea. but I agree that they deserve a decent shot to prove themselves in team melli.

[Iran Doost]

I am not embarrassed, and I don't think TM should be either. Yes, we didn't play well, and were the worse team on the day.

[Nokhodi]

Yes what I remember from that WC, and specially the Angola game, was Ali Daei's sitter that he usually converted 100 out of 100 times and unfortunately missed it in that game. The Mexico game even now bothers me after 17 years. And the Portugal game, we just did not have a chance specially after the Daei Karimi fiasco.

Yap, and even in the Portugal game we had a late chance which Esteghlal fan favorite Khatibi couldn't finish!
Football truly is about brief moments.