Please explain Skocic logic to me?

[Keshwardoost]

i understand your point, its a great post. and agree at some levels with it.

but still its a clear analytic difference if we look at it. cq one could se in his old jobs how he plays, solid defence. and that was what we needed. idk if it fitted a columbian player and squad. wilmots one could track back that he had a style that fitted no team he managed. renard works wonders with saudi and egypt and has a style our players probably could adopt to. same with hiddinks high press game style with russia. our players would handle it.

now compare pep, our players would probably not handle the type of play.

thats how I was thinking, with analyse before hiring, not only by name.

but i understand what you are saying and i also agree, its no guarante.
same with sweden, their coach had no national level experriance but he made them able to beat good teams that the pervious coaches never did.
so i have to agree at some level with what you say. hope you can se what i mean aswell

[Doctor DOOM]

yeah i agree, if we about to change him it has to be for a hidding, renard mancini, cq type of coach, not a wilmotz, advocaat, or gn, daei, or so, he deserves it infront of them. he just has to fix that non pressing defence.. its worrying..

many problems here.

1- BEFORE Vilmots, how many ppl actually thought he'd be such a miserable failure?
Yes. he didnt have a shining brilliant resume. Just as many other successful coaches dont have when they click with a particular team and explode.

at the same time there are plenty of examples where a top rated coach has utterly failed with a team. Look no further than CQ and Colombia.

So who's to say Mr. X (Renard, Mancicni, ... ) is good, Mr. Y (vilmots, advocaat, ...) is bad .... until they're tried?


2- Problem #2: Funds.
Even if we could find a sure-fire, fail-proof top class coach .... We simply dont have the funds to hire one!!

since the terrorists in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Niger, Sudan, ... need arms and lots & lots of $$$$ to continue their infestation upon earth. And that is the priority of our "govt" ABOVE ALL ELSE.... be it livelihood of Iranians & survival of Iranian children or preserving what's left of our environment. Let alone some silly sport of football.

[kaebi kabab]

There is alot of disrespect towards Iranian doaches.... Yahya is a top manager for Asian standards he would do a much better job with TM. At least TM would have an identity, and the players have huge respect for him. We will qualify under Skokic but he should no way lead us just not good enough

[Keshwardoost]

yeah i agree, if we about to change him it has to be for a hidding, renard mancini, cq type of coach, not a wilmotz, advocaat, or gn, daei, or so, he deserves it infront of them. he just has to fix that non pressing defence.. its worrying..

[St_Mark]

I would like to know your opinion on the TM coach situation ST_Mark jaan. Do you think Skocic can bring us results in the WC? Would you go with a domestic coach instead?

ِDear

* Iran will qualify for WC With Skocic.
* With current team Iran has to be very very ucky to advance.
*He is better choice than Golmo & GN

Iran will qualify to the WC but current team is nowhere near where needed to be.


Remember:
Lays year when IFF and TM were in crisis, Job was offered to GN & Golmo ( Daei was political)
GN was unwilling to break with Sepahan . Coward? Don't know.
Golmo said , TM job is too early for him . Coward? I don't know.

Skocic grab the offer and he is doing better than coach of S Korea.

TM job is an honour , for the brave not cowards.

Sepahan & Persepolis pay more to their coach than Skocic salary /














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[peiman92]

Mark Twain was in London in 1897 as part of a speaking tour around the world.
He had considerable debt in the US and hoped to earn enough money to pay it off.
While he was in London, a rumor started that he was seriously ill.
This was followed by a rumor that he was dead.
The story goes that an American newspaper printed Twain's obituary.
Supposedly after that, when asked about all this by a reporter,
Twain said:
The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.

I would like to know your opinion on the TM coach situation ST_Mark jaan. Do you think Skocic can bring us results in the WC? Would you go with a domestic coach instead?

[St_Mark]

Mark Twain was in London in 1897 as part of a speaking tour around the world.
He had considerable debt in the US and hoped to earn enough money to pay it off.
While he was in London, a rumor started that he was seriously ill.
This was followed by a rumor that he was dead.
The story goes that an American newspaper printed Twain's obituary.
Supposedly after that, when asked about all this by a reporter,
Twain said:
The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.

[KasraD88]

I'd love for anyone to explain to me when Ghoddos, in his entire career, has been in good enough shape to play a full 90 minutes.

I'll wait.

His conditioning is always a problem, and always will be. He just cant hang for 90 minutes and that is why he isn't as great as he could be.

[Medzdidz]

When CQ took over we were the 7th best ranked team in Asia in the seedlings for the 2014 World Cup qualifying. We had just failed to qualify for a World Cup in 2010. Look where we were when he left, look at his legacy that he has left behind with our players getting more moves abroad. There is no doubting he is influential in the rise of Mehdi Taremi also.

Yes we have moved on now but that does not mean that we can not be thankful for the work he did.

[KC McElroy]

We have been over this at nauseum. His record is below many former TM coaches. To put it simply he has a 60% winning percentage with TEAM MELLI IN ASIA which is nothing to be happy about and won 0 trophies in 8 years at the helm and did not advance from group stage or make an Asian Cup final which of course circles back to his measly 60% win percentage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._team_managers

[mehdi13]

We have been over this at nauseum. His record is below many former TM coaches. To put it simply he has a 60% winning percentage with TEAM MELLI IN ASIA which is nothing to be happy about and won 0 trophies in 8 years at the helm and did not advance from group stage or make an Asian Cup final which of course circles back to his measly 60% win percentage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._team_managers

Winning percentage huh? You prefer Daei’s extra 2.5% that came with a bending over by Saudi at Azadi? Or is losing points at home to South Korea your thing?

[Lapayee]

Wow....The guy has won 10 of the last 11 matches and tied against our supposedly biggest opponent. We top the chart, conceded only one goal this stage of qualification AND some of you are asking for his head.
Even though we lacked pace with a lot of turnovers in the 1st half, we had a very solid 2nd half and SK was lucky to concede only one goal. If one of the balls that hit the post had gone in, we would be all posting praises of the coach. CQ instilled discipline, teamwork and good work ethics in TM, Skocic, seem to have preserved those qualities and adds a more attacking mindset- I like that. I would have liked to see Qodous (sp??) involved too, but can't really 2nd guess the coaching staff.

[PSGman#19]

No.
I'm very sure it isnt the case.
otherwise to make this point, there are bigger names he can do this to.

besides I highly doubt Ebrahimi is in any state to be included.
when he truly DESERVED to be part of TM, he was passed over. Today? I'm afraid he isnt.

Ghoddos' time WILL come.
perhaps in the next game.
definitely after locking in the qualification.

Benching biggest name could cost him results

[nisfejahan]

How about Dick Advocat after he gets fired from Iraq? Can you imagine what a Dick Advocating for TM in IFF will be like?!! The media will go NUTS!!

On a serious note, I cannot follow the logic here:

If Bagheri (and/or Vahid) is the real coach, should he not be blamed for the game (if we think it was a horrible game)?

If Skocic is the coach but delegates to Bagheri and that is the reason for the 10-1-0, should Skocic not get the credit for giving Bagheri the leeway to achieve good results? I mean that is the hallmark of a good leader, hire good people and let them perform.

If 10-1-0 is not really that great a record, can we point to any other period of TM that achieved equal or better results?

If the results are because of the team CQ left behind and the coach has not effect, and we are winning because of individual talent, then why did Wilmooch flop with the same team?

Yes, I also thought we should win this game. I thought Korea was on the ropes and with a more aggressive subbing, we could have won the game. I also thought Samanand/or Ghedi/Torabi should have been introduced into the game with at least 20-25 minutes left in the game. BUT, I have never been a professional coach and I am not going to second guess the guy with his record in TM.

Whatever he is doing, be it delegating to Karim/Vahid, or letting his players do whatever they like, or doing a Faal Hafez for his line up, I am not going to argue until he starts failing. Remember we are topping the group and the road to qualification seems very smooth.

[Doctor DOOM]

Que .. KC

Go.