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[Damavand]

Definitely a draw, this way we still have a chance top the group.

[rdwrrr]

I don't think we can win the group.
I doesn't matter who wins, all we have to do is win all remaining games. We will qualify as second place team.
If we can not win the remaining games, it is best that we don't qualify for the next round.


period.



In reality all games tomorrow have an effect on our final standing. We should really know which groups won't qualify their second place teams.

Look at group F Kyrgyzstan is playing Tajikistan a tie will probably eliminate both
Group "G" Big game Thailand Vs. Vietnam, UAE is struggling just like us.
Group "H" Lebanon vs North Korea , similarly a tie should eliminate both very possible

[sarbaz]

First best scenario is a draw
second best scenario is Iraq wining the game

[OSTAD POOYA]

Draw would be best result. Both teams dropping points technically!

[D P P]

Why would a bahrain win be disasterous?
If we beat them at home they will
Most likely finish on 16pts
And means after beating cambodia and hong kong and beating bahrain we would only need to tie Iraq at home to also get 16 pts and with way superior goal difference we would top them in the table right??

It also means iraq would play for a tie in last match to come top with 17pts

If we beat them too we go top with 18pts and iraq is also on 16pts


I think tomorrow will be a 0-0 stalemate!!

[Kavian]

Assuming the East Asians don't pose a threat to any of Iran, Bahrain and Iraq in the remaining games, a TIE between Iraq and Bahrain would be the most desired scenario for Iran as it will provide it with the chance to top the table, if all possible points are
obtained from the remaining games.

A win by Iraq will almost make it impossible for Iran or Bahrain to top the table, as Iraq will end up with 19 points at the end of the qualification. Again, this is assuming they lose their game in Tehran.
A win by Bahrain is also less desired, as it will enable them to collect up to 17 points by the end of the tournament, assuming they lose their away game to Iran.

P.S.
Iranians are probably the best scenario makers of all time. In every bloody qualification this is what we end up doing.

[Kiarash]

A draw would be the most favorable result, that leaves the group open and the top spot for grabs. A Bahrain win would be disastrous.

[D P P]

What do we need to Happen tomorrow? Iraq win or a draw?

What benefits us most? Both teams to drop points or to now just aim for second place?

What do you all think?

[Damavand]

The only slim hope I see us making it to the next round is with our enormous goal difference. The other possibility is that Hong Kong may be able to snatch a point from Iraq at home just like they did against Bahrain. In the mean time I agree, we need the upcoming game between Iraq and Bahrain to end in a tie.

In the next round though, facing much tougher competition, I do not see us advancing to the WC.

NOT WITH THIS COACH.

[KC McElroy]

Iraq and Bahrain will face off for the big deciding game in our group on Tuesday.
The winner could potentially top the table with 19 points. This is assuming both teams lose their games in Tehran against Iran and beat both of their far east opponents. In this scenario, the best possible finish for Iran would be the second place with 18 points.
A tie, however would leave the table wide open. This is the best scenario for Iran, as Iran could possibly top the table with maximum of 18 points, assuming Iran wins all remaining games.
This is a horrible situation to be in. I cannot remember last time we were so desperate!!

For the 2006 World Cup led by the Angolan tire.

[Kavian]

Iraq and Bahrain will face off for the big deciding game in our group on Tuesday.

The winner could potentially top the table with 19 points. This is assuming both teams lose their games in Tehran against Iran and beat both of their far east opponents. In this scenario, the best possible finish for Iran would be the second place with 18 points.

A tie, however would leave the table wide open. This is the best scenario for Iran, as Iran could possibly top the table with maximum of 18 points, assuming Iran wins all remaining games.

This is a horrible situation to be in. I cannot remember last time we were so desperate!!

[fary-jupiter]

Why? Then our chances to become one of the four second's is higher, incase we win all our games.

[shahabGAOL]

Damn. For 7 years we didn’t have to worry about qualifying.
Our only worries were how to beat Morocco or Portugal. Now it is how to survive Bahrain and Iraq.

That is the result if you sent Carlos Qurioz home and bring a 3th class coach from Europe. To not extend Carlos Qurioz contract was the bigfest mistakes in 8 years time! I am sure he would done better and we would had been atleast first in our group now. And we would easy go to our 3th World Cup with Carlos Qurioz.

I hope he will be back Carlos Quriouz for Iran! I still love he's work and what he did no other did it! We almost draw Argentina and Spain and we almost WON Portugal

What keeper we had in World Cup 2018 stopped tge penalty kick of Cristiano Ronaldo! Ebrahim Mirzapoor 2006 World Cup could not stop the penalty kick of Cristiano Ronaldo

[St_Mark]

[QUOTE=Ghormesabzi;2666241]You are right, but my point is that it is highly unlikely that we won't qualify with 12 points in the bag from the remaining matches. As I wrote in my previous post, Qatar will either win their group or in worst case finish as one of the top 4 runner ups. This means a total of 5 teams will qualify as runner ups instead of 4 due to Qatar being the hosts.

It's not a guarantee of course, but we shouldn't worry as long as we do our job from now on.[/QUOTE

Our Qualification no longer is in our hand even if we win all remaining games.


We should hope Qatar win their group ( we will know on June 2020) so five team of runners-up advance.
Hopes :
Group A- Hope china not win all home games specially against Syria
Group B- Australia will defeat at home Kuwait and Jordan in this case no second team from group B
Group C- Hope Bahrain get one point from next match. or Iraq not win at HKong.
Group D- Uzbekistan not win in Saudi Arabia.

Group E- Oman lose at home to Qatar.
Group F- Tajik & Kyrgyz not win in Japan
Group G- UAE defeat Thailand and Vietnam at home.
Group H- N Korea & Leb lose 3 points in next 4 games.


Iran first has to secure 12 points , 9 at home and unless changes take place , its a tall order.

[Ghormesabzi]

The qualification structure :

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• Second round: 40 teams were divided into eight groups of five teams to play home-and-away round-robin matches.
  
• The eight group winners and the four best group runners-up advance to the third round of FIFA World Cup qualification as well as qualify for the 2023 AFC Asian Cup. If Qatar finish as winners in their group or as one of the four best runners-up, the fifth-best runners-up will go to the third round in their stead

You are right, but my point is that it is highly unlikely that we won't qualify with 12 points in the bag from the remaining matches. As I wrote in my previous post, Qatar will either win their group or in worst case finish as one of the top 4 runner ups. This means a total of 5 teams will qualify as runner ups instead of 4 due to Qatar being the hosts.

It's not a guarantee of course, but we shouldn't worry as long as we do our job from now on.