Iranian football transfers summer 2018

[Kian Persepolis]

Last i checked we had 2 teams in top 4 from west Asia in ACL!!! Qatar, UAE, Saudi leagues other than top 2-3 team is just crappy despite the crazy amount of money they are investing. Yes, we can never beat them in level of facilities and infrastructure, at least not anytime soon, but their local product other than very few are just crappy in general.

Yeah but those two are probably going to concede 6+ goals over the next few games and get knocked out on some huge aggregate difference

[Iran_19]

Not true, Kia went to Bochum and then to HSV from there. He was the only one who quickly established himself, Hashemian needing years and a Bundesliga 2 stint, the rest never made it.
I'm glad our boys are making much more sustainable decisions these days.

Kia was first on loan to Bochum, then season after HSV paid a record transfer fee to get him from Persepolis of Abedhini and that deal kind of secured Persepolis financial situation for the years after. As i said i still think after 20 years it is a record transfer fee for an Iranian directly from IPL to a top league.

[Iran_19]

Our top teams get thrashed by Arab teams, you really think our mid table teams can compete with European teams?

Last i checked we had 2 teams in top 4 from west Asia in ACL!!! Qatar, UAE, Saudi leagues other than top 2-3 team is just crappy despite the crazy amount of money they are investing. Yes, we can never beat them in level of facilities and infrastructure, at least not anytime soon, but their local product other than very few are just crappy in general.

[O-ZoNe]

Schafer is a good coach and I like him, he's also a good motivator so he talks quite a lot and has made some questionable remarks. Don't read too much into it.

We have a bit of a complex going on don't we? When vatani coach says something moronic we crucify them. If it's CQ then it must be strategic mind games or in this case he just talks a lot but Schaefer is a good coach.

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[Kian Persepolis]

Schafer for sure thinking of his own players and benefit, but i can bet with you guys that most of IPL mid table teams can challenge teams such as Charleroi, i am also ready to bet that teams such as Persepolis, Esteghlal will give hard time to Olympiacos, AEK, Liège, Dinamo Moscow, and many teams like this. Now if you want join such a league, better to join their top teams, not a team like Charleroi.
Greek league is crap, no Iranian should ever join this league, even to some top teams, unless you are at the end of career, like Masoud.

Our top teams get thrashed by Arab teams, you really think our mid table teams can compete with European teams?

[inarsenewetrust]

Actually tbh, it is not much to do with going step by step, when Kia was transferred to HSV for some crazy amount of transfer directly from IPL(which still after 20 years is one of the highest, if not highest one), the quality of our league was pretty poor. Then we saw many like Vahid, Khatibi, Pashazadeh, Mousavi join Bundesliga from Iran directly. The reason was TM was in a very good shape, so is now. We are no more in 2014-15, that players need to join Panionios, i think the main issue of our football is having quality agents, otherwise few of our players can directly move to top 5 leagues from IPL at least. The single fact that a free agent such as PAG is struggling to find a contract in top 5 league is just beyond me, shows how poor agents are in our football.

yeah and that was a very special case, mahdavikia was phenomenal in that WC in france. A young standout star who scored crucial goals. Im sure Azmoun would have gotten an even better move, but he failed to score on the international stage, same with Taremi. While I agree with you its bizarre what is happening to PAG, I think for the most part the players you see going to charleroi and panionios simply do not have better offers.

[Martin-Reza]

Not true, Kia went to Bochum and then to HSV from there. He was the only one who quickly established himself, Hashemian needing years and a Bundesliga 2 stint, the rest never made it.

I'm glad our boys are making much more sustainable decisions these days.

[Iran_19]

Our players will not get offers from teams better than charleroi if they are coming out of iran! Plain and simple. Its a great idea in your head that iranians should only choose x y and z team and league in europe, but this mentality is totally wrong and will never lead to anything. If enough iranians go to charleroi and shine and then move to better teams in europe and do well (which looks very likely to happen), then not only charleroi, but also anderlecht, brugge, liege, etc, will look immediately to the iranian market and compete with charleroi for iranian talents. Thats how it works. First, you prove yourself to clubs, then they come after many of your countrymen once they have had good experiences. Thats how japanese took over bundesliga, and can now transfer players from japan straight to bundesliga. If we want this for our next generation, the current generation must work hard and take chances in europe, even in small clubs. We in iran know some of them have the talent to play in top leagues, and if they prove themselves in smaller teams in europe, they eventually will.
And your statements about greek league are false as well. Hajsafi improved SO much since going there with panionios and olympiakos, his performances in TM are like night and day from before. Now he plays with so much more confidence. Same for karim. Masoud is unfair to judge as somewhere in the last 1-2 years his legs just went, and it showed in his club games to where AEK didnt want to offer him a new contract, and Panionios offloaded him before that. Besides him, for ehsan and Karim greece has been excellent.
I have respect for you dadash, so I dont want to sound rude, but I really disagree with you in this case.

Actually tbh, it is not much to do with going step by step, when Kia was transferred to HSV for some crazy amount of transfer directly from IPL(which still after 20 years is one of the highest, if not highest one), the quality of our league was pretty poor. Then we saw many like Vahid, Khatibi, Pashazadeh, Mousavi join Bundesliga from Iran directly. The reason was TM was in a very good shape, so is now. We are no more in 2014-15, that players need to join Panionios, i think the main issue of our football is having quality agents, otherwise few of our players can directly move to top 5 leagues from IPL at least. The single fact that a free agent such as PAG is struggling to find a contract in top 5 league is just beyond me, shows how poor agents are in our football.

[inarsenewetrust]

Schafer for sure thinking of his own players and benefit, but i can bet with you guys that most of IPL mid table teams can challenge teams such as Charleroi, i am also ready to bet that teams such as Persepolis, Esteghlal will give hard time to Olympiacos, AEK, Liège, Dinamo Moscow, and many teams like this. Now if you want join such a league, better to join their top teams, not a team like Charleroi.
Greek league is crap, no Iranian should ever join this league, even to some top teams, unless you are at the end of career, like Masoud.

Our players will not get offers from teams better than charleroi if they are coming out of iran! Plain and simple. Its a great idea in your head that iranians should only choose x y and z team and league in europe, but this mentality is totally wrong and will never lead to anything. If enough iranians go to charleroi and shine and then move to better teams in europe and do well (which looks very likely to happen), then not only charleroi, but also anderlecht, brugge, liege, etc, will look immediately to the iranian market and compete with charleroi for iranian talents. Thats how it works. First, you prove yourself to clubs, then they come after many of your countrymen once they have had good experiences. Thats how japanese took over bundesliga, and can now transfer players from japan straight to bundesliga. If we want this for our next generation, the current generation must work hard and take chances in europe, even in small clubs. We in iran know some of them have the talent to play in top leagues, and if they prove themselves in smaller teams in europe, they eventually will.

And your statements about greek league are false as well. Hajsafi improved SO much since going there with panionios and olympiakos, his performances in TM are like night and day from before. Now he plays with so much more confidence. Same for karim. Masoud is unfair to judge as somewhere in the last 1-2 years his legs just went, and it showed in his club games to where AEK didnt want to offer him a new contract, and Panionios offloaded him before that. Besides him, for ehsan and Karim greece has been excellent.

I have respect for you dadash, so I dont want to sound rude, but I really disagree with you in this case.

[Iran_19]

Schafer for sure thinking of his own players and benefit, but i can bet with you guys that most of IPL mid table teams can challenge teams such as Charleroi, i am also ready to bet that teams such as Persepolis, Esteghlal will give hard time to Olympiacos, AEK, Liège, Dinamo Moscow, and many teams like this. Now if you want join such a league, better to join their top teams, not a team like Charleroi.
Greek league is crap, no Iranian should ever join this league, even to some top teams, unless you are at the end of career, like Masoud.

[Z Joon]

Iranian football transfers summer 2018

That's because people don't watch the league and base their opinions on 20-30 mins of a TM friendly where nobody is going their hardest.

That being said, imagine if Ebrahimi left Iran at an earlier age. Let's say he went to Greek league at age 23-24. Do you think he would be a better player than he was in WC 2018? Or do you think he maxed out his potential playing for Sepahan and Esteghlal?

Totally agree. For your question, nobody knows what would’ve happened for sure but I definitely think if he moved to a “secondary” European league earlier in his career, he would’ve been noticed by bigger teams, regardless of the difference in quality between the PGL and say the Greek league.

The same can be said for many of our talents who chose to stay in Iran unfortunately.

[inarsenewetrust]

That's because people don't watch the league and base their opinions on 20-30 mins of a TM friendly where nobody is going their hardest.

That being said, imagine if Ebrahimi left Iran at an earlier age. Let's say he went to Greek league at age 23-24. Do you think he would be a better player than he was in WC 2018? Or do you think he maxed out his potential playing for Sepahan and Esteghlal?

exactly. Im not sure people understand that there really is no alternative. Go to a crappy euro team which gives you the chance to prove yourself and move to better euro teams, or stay in Iran forever. If you are a good player you should be able to succeed with the first option, if not, you can always return to iran.

[Ando Teymourian]

I remember when Schaeffer said Ebrahimi was the best Iranian player before the WC and everyone here mocked him.

Then the WC happened and the rest is history

That's because people don't watch the league and base their opinions on 20-30 mins of a TM friendly where nobody is going their hardest.

That being said, imagine if Ebrahimi left Iran at an earlier age. Let's say he went to Greek league at age 23-24. Do you think he would be a better player than he was in WC 2018? Or do you think he maxed out his potential playing for Sepahan and Esteghlal?

[Iranianarsenal11]

and we saw how quickly ansarifard and hajsafi went to olympiakos from there. What I am trying to say is players coming from PGPL usually wont have great offers no matter what, they need to take what comes their way, especially if they are younger players.

Well said. I agree with Kiarash that the Greek league is corrupt and a mediocre league at best, but if its the best league that guys like Alipour are getting offers from, they have to take it.

[Iranianarsenal11]

No it's not, but realistically a team like Panionios is going to make an offer for Alipour and that's barely a step up from PP.

I agree that the Greek league isn't some sort of god tier league compared to the PGPL, but even if it is a slightly better league or team, he should take it.

At the end of the day, us Iranians are gonna be overlooked by European clubs anyways. If Ali Ghorbani is getting offers from AEL Larissa, it doesn't mean theres a better offer from AZ Alkmaar waiting for him.

Sadly us Iranians will always be underrated in the transfermarket...