Women in Stadium (Discussion Thread)

[sirvan]

Quote Originally Posted by pajamNL View Post
Womans only gym, yes there are a few , but only a few mostly used by arabs or other muslim minorities. But womans only cinema night never heard of it.
Do you have pictures of this to prove it?

Oh there are more than a few women's only gym clubs in Holland lad. Typical Dutch thing to bash your muslim minorities, but the majority members of women's gym club are non-muslim Dutch women who want to work out without men harassing them at the gym.
My Dutch female friends used to tell me that when i asked them why they go to women's only sport club. And maybe you have been living under a rock, but i used to live in The Hague for about 8 years, and my ex girlfriend used to go to the cinema for ladies night with her female friends (she was Dutch by the way and not muslim):

https://www.pathe.nl/ladiesnight

At the end of the day, that's what you people out in the West do, bash us and see us as inferior back warded beings, but you don't see your own behavior. We have the right to have our own customs and believes as much as you do, bigotry and intolerance is very much present in Western cultures, at least as much as in other parts of the world. Your comments just further prove my thesis, something i had already clearly witnessed while i was living in Europe, where one can't even make a critical note regarding Israel's human right abuses without being labelled an anti Semite and losing his job, while racism against muslims and other minorities is the norm where you guys live.

[KC McElroy]

Ultimately the opinion of those who prioritize Iranians should matter. Those who pick Bosnians over Iranians demonstrate that they are more interested in others which is where they should concentrate their efforts. As Iranians we want our women to attend and enjoy soccer games they way they used to and currently want to.

[Team Melli Fan]

Deadline has passed.

FIFA President Announces Deadline for Iran to Take “Concrete Steps” to Let Women Into Stadiums

https://iranhumanrights.org/2019/06/fifa-president-announces-deadline-for-iran-to-take-concrete-steps-to-let-women-into-stadiums/

In a letter addressing the chief of the Football Federation of the Islamic Republic of Iran (FFIRI) Mehdi Taj, the president of FIFA announced a July 15, 2019, deadline for Taj to inform him of the “concrete steps” the Iranian government would be taking to lift its ban on women in stadiums by September of this year.

Infantino did not state what would happen if Iran fails to respond by September.

[bozghaleh]

Yes it was possible to mix back then, to what degree women went or were allowed to go to football stadiums or men allowed their wives, sisters and mothers to sit next to strangers in busses is something any rational person can figure out. Iran was no Paris or France during the Shah era lad. If anything Iranian society is more open/less traditional now than during the Shah administration.

Sirvan, the more "open/less traditional" now argument is a tired one. These represent the minimal amount of change brought by the blood, sweat, and tears of women filtered through the cruel passage of time. We have measles vaccines now, and Jet engines instead of propellers. Don't go patting the IR on the back for the minimal changes that have happened on their watch when they have stood in its way, fighting tooth and nail to keep us in the 7th century. The fact is that that the Shah's time was a lot more enlightened FOR ITS TIME PERIOD compared to other developing countries than what we have now for ours. Keep in mind that misogynestic viewpoints were widespread in America and that women had trouble getting into baseball stadiums in the US during the same time we are talking about:

https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2017/6/23/15851676/mlb-promotions-advertising-sexism-female-fans-history

The sad fact is that we are one of the few places actively trying to hold on to festering, medieval ideas of the past, and so we deservedly get negative press for this (just as say some countries get negative press for modern slavery).

[sam20]

I go to Iran regularly and nobody wants a gender segregation unless you’re super religious. I would say roughly 80% don’t want a segregation.

To be honest, that's pretty much what I pictured. At least 80%.

[nisfejahan]

I don't think this is a cultural issue. Yes, I'm sure there is a small group that frowns upon women participating in the civic life, but based on my experience, the vast majority of people do not support the ban against women in stadiums. It is just silly and incomprehensible. Half the population (females) have every right to enjoy the matches played by their national team or their favorite club team. Banning them is irrational, counter-productive and UNJUST. All excuses about cultural or practical issues are just that; Excuses.

The existence of the morality police is another silly and incomprehensible practice by IR. It achieves NOTHING. It pisses off people. It is a waste of resources. It only provide a job opportunity for the extreme jerks in the society (or people who are desperate for a paycheck). Why else would any self-respecting person want such a job?

The segregation on the buses is a different issue. First of all, women still get to ride the bus, they are not excluded from using them. Second, I do know that many women actually prefer it this way. At least they prefer to have the option to use the segregated wagons when they feel like it. Such measures (providing separate compartment for women) has been tried in other countries, purely from a women's protection point of view. I do not think there is anything wrong with it, as long as it is voluntary, not forced.

It is really time to put this divisive issue to rest by reversing this moronic ban against half the Iranians.

[KC McElroy]

Yes it was possible to mix back then, to what degree women went or were allowed to go to football stadiums or men allowed their wives, sisters and mothers to sit next to strangers in busses is something any rational person can figure out. Iran was no Paris or France during the Shah era lad. If anything Iranian society is more open/less traditional now than during the Shah administration.

So we both agree that prior to IR men and women could mix in stadiums and public transportation while after IR they could not.

[sirvan]

To be honest, I find this hard to believe when every single Iranian I've ever known is against this segregation, as is every member in this forum, and even our footballers have spoken in support of allowing women into stadiums.

Do you have any evidence to show your claims?

Can anyone else who's been to Iran recently/ visits Iran often please also shed some light on this?

Mate i actually live in Iran, and i know many people who don't want women in stadiums. Most of them aren't even religious, it's more a cultural thing, they don't want women to be in stadiums were men curse and behave inappropriately.

In Arabic Islamic countries women are actually allowed to enter stadiums, which they do.

[sirvan]

I just wanted to know if prior to IR the stadiums and buses were mixed or not. You answered my inquiry by stating that prior to IR they were mixed and after IR they were segregated.

Yes it was possible to mix back then, to what degree women went or were allowed to go to football stadiums or men allowed their wives, sisters and mothers to sit next to strangers in busses is something any rational person can figure out. Iran was no Paris or France during the Shah era lad. If anything Iranian society is more open/less traditional now than during the Shah administration.

[KC McElroy]

Yes they where thanks to the Shah and the elite from North Tehran, how about now? Wasn't one of the driving forces of the revolution peoples demand that Shah's policies where to liberal and Western? Do you also want to make the claim that only a few thousands of Mullah's are forcing this segregation between men and women in public places, a segregation which also existed during the Pahlavi administration, and which Shah and his peers tried to change forcefully.
Let's not kid ourselves, the majority of Iranians support this gender segregation. Though ofcourse this will change in the future, but for now the situation is like this, it's better to deal with it than make up silly stories.

I just wanted to know if prior to IR the stadiums and buses were mixed or not. You answered my inquiry by stating that prior to IR they were mixed and after IR they were segregated.

[naderb94]

To be honest, I find this hard to believe when every single Iranian I've ever known is against this segregation, as is every member in this forum, and even our footballers have spoken in support of allowing women into stadiums.

Do you have any evidence to show your claims?

Can anyone else who's been to Iran recently/ visits Iran often please also shed some light on this?

I go to Iran regularly and nobody wants a gender segregation unless you’re super religious. I would say roughly 80% don’t want a segregation.

[sam20]

Yes they where thanks to the Shah and the elite from North Tehran, how about now? Wasn't one of the driving forces of the revolution peoples demand that Shah's policies where to liberal and Western? Do you also want to make the claim that only a few thousands of Mullah's are forcing this segregation between men and women in public places, a segregation which also existed during the Pahlavi administration, and which Shah and his peers tried to change forcefully.

Let's not kid ourselves, the majority of Iranians support this gender segregation. Though ofcourse this will change in the future, but for now the situation is like this, it's better to deal with it than make up silly stories.

To be honest, I find this hard to believe when every single Iranian I've ever known is against this segregation, as is every member in this forum, and even our footballers have spoken in support of allowing women into stadiums.

Do you have any evidence to show your claims?

Can anyone else who's been to Iran recently/ visits Iran often please also shed some light on this?

[sirvan]

Prior to IR were both men and women allowed in stadiums and public transportation?

Yes they where thanks to the Shah and the elite from North Tehran, how about now? Wasn't one of the driving forces of the revolution peoples demand that Shah's policies where to liberal and Western? Do you also want to make the claim that only a few thousands of Mullah's are forcing this segregation between men and women in public places, a segregation which also existed during the Pahlavi administration, and which Shah and his peers tried to change forcefully.

Let's not kid ourselves, the majority of Iranians support this gender segregation. Though ofcourse this will change in the future, but for now the situation is like this, it's better to deal with it than make up silly stories.

[KC McElroy]

Unfortunately for you guys Iranian culture is not restricted to northern Tehran. This is a part of Iranian culture, though it can change in the future. Pahlavi's tried to change Iranian culture by force and look where it got them (excluding the external factors).
Hopefully in the future Iranians will be ok with women and men being in the same stadium, and in the bus and metro as well..but for now ya'll just gotta deal with it and stop making up stories like the situation of women and men being separated in stadiums and public transport is due to IR, and a few thousand Iranians, all rubbish and wishful thinking lads.

Prior to IR were both men and women allowed in stadiums and public transportation?

[sirvan]

Unfortunately for you guys Iranian culture is not restricted to northern Tehran. This is a part of Iranian culture, though it can change in the future. Pahlavi's tried to change Iranian culture by force and look where it got them (excluding the external factors).

Hopefully in the future Iranians will be ok with women and men being in the same stadium, and in the bus and metro as well..but for now ya'll just gotta deal with it and stop making up stories like the situation of women and men being separated in stadiums and public transport is due to IR, and a few thousand Iranians, all rubbish and wishful thinking lads.