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    Very Interesting Analysis of Team Melli in the Economist magazine

    https://www.economist.com/blogs/game...-east-was-lost

    How the east was lost
    Iran’s success reflects the failures of Asian football

    The continent has struggled to develop more talented players, and suffers from a lack of competition


    Game theory
    Jun 14th 2017by J.M.





    IT WAS the perfect conclusion to a flawless campaign. As the final whistle blew in Iran’s 2-0 victory against Uzbekistan on June 12th, the home side’s World Cup qualification record read: 16 matches played, not a single loss, 34 goals scored, just three conceded—and a place secured for next year’s tournament in Russia, making them only the second side (after Brazil) to do so. The crowd of 60,000 spectators at Tehran’s Azadi Stadium was smaller than usual, with security tightened after an attack on the parliament by Islamic State on June 7th. But throughout the qualifiers Iranians have thronged to the ground to watch their beloved “Team Melli” vanquish all and sundry. Attendance at their previous home game, in which they beat China 1-0 on March 28th, exceeded 100,000 (the size of the Nou Camp, European football’s biggest arena). Fans perched on the perimeter walls, hoisted themselves onto the scaffolded floodlights and even dangled from the billboards from which the Ayatollahs Khomeini and Ali Khamenei gaze down upon proceedings (pictured above).
    The Chinese, who want to become a footballing powerhouse, can only look enviously at Iran’s triumph. Encouraged by Xi Jinping, the president, clubs in the Chinese Super League have spent heavily on attracting foreign talent. But the national team remains weak, languishing at the bottom of its qualification group after drawing with war-torn Syria on June 13th. Iran, meanwhile, are the best side in the Asian Footballing Confederation (AFC). FIFA’s official rankings put them 30th in the world and first in the continent; the World Elo ratings (a more accurate measure of team strength) has them 20th. They are the only Asian side to remain unbeaten in World Cup qualifying and their appearance at the 2018 edition will be their third in the last four tournaments. Might they offer a template for China of how to dominate the continent?
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    Not really. Iran’s success appears to be in spite of its national attributes, not because of them. Indeed, after controlling for population, wealth and player experience, author Simon Kuper and economist Stefan Szymanski found that Team Melli was one of the most over-performing international sides between 1980 and 2001. The country is certainly much poorer than its local rivals: its GDP per person is less than half of that for Australians, South Koreans or the Japanese. When it comes to size, Iran’s 80m inhabitants leave it a way behind Japan (127m), not too far ahead of South Korea (52m), and dwarfed by China (1.38bn). In terms of talent, the primacy of the sport should give it an edge: Australia’s most gifted athletes are usually pinched by cricket, rugby or Australian-rules football, whereas baseball and basketball are hugely popular in South Korea and Japan. Iran is famed for its weightlifters and wrestlers, but football is the only team sport in town.
    Still, that advantage doesn’t seem to count for much. Its domestic league is weak, ranking seventh in the region, with only a pittance spent on transfers each season. And where once Iran exported several players to Europe’s best leagues, today it sends hardly any. A decade ago, the majority of Team Melli played in one of the “big-five” divisions—those in England, Spain, Germany, Italy and France. This season only one, 30-year-old Ashkan Dejagah, has earned his keep in such an illustrious competition. Though a few play in lesser European leagues, even the most ardent Iranian fans would agree that their side is lacking in world-class players.
    That will not stop them celebrating their team’s ascendancy on the continent and qualification for the sport’s grandest event. Yet that is also a reflection of the weakness of Asian football. More damning still, another of the AFC’s four automatic qualifying spots is occupied by Saudi Arabia, a country that has never produced a player with experience of a big-five league. History suggests that Iran’s thin squad will run out of juice eventually, since teams with no European representatives have struggled to stay in the Elo top 30 (see chart); Saudi Arabia are currently ranked 54th.


    Furthermore, the decline or stagnation of big-five-league exports has been a trend across the continent. Australia had 18 such players going into the 2006 World Cup, but has only seven today. Iran’s tally has fallen from seven to one, China’s from two to zero and Saudi Arabia has yet to break its duck. South Korea has achieved a modest improvement, from six to eight. Only Japan has really kicked on, with 16 players currently in big-five leagues, up from five.

    Asia’s footballing nadir came at the last World Cup. Whereas five North American and African sides made it to the knockout stages, all four AFC teams came bottom of their respective pools, without recording a single win between them in 12 matches. Such a failure must have seemed unlikely in 2002 when Japan and South Korea shared the hosting rights of the World Cup, putting on a popular and well-run event that proved Asia’s appetite for the game. Both teams went on successful runs. Japan topped their group. So did South Korea, who benefited from some questionable refereeing decisions on their way to the semi-finals—the first and only side from outside of Europe or South America to reach that stage. They were denied a place in the final by a late German winner.

    At that point, further glory must have seemed inevitable. Yet in the intervening years no Asian side has won a knockout tie at a World Cup. What went wrong?

    FIFA does not release official participation data for national associations, but the continued strength of the brands of European clubs in Asia suggests that the enthusiasm for the game has not dwindled. A more obvious cause is the lack of regular competition for the continent’s top sides. Tom Byer, an administrator who has worked with both China and Japan, has argued that the gap between the stronger nations and the rest makes qualifying too easy and the step-up to the World Cup too great, a problem that will persist “until we, Asia, the AFC, can start developing some of these other teams, these fringe countries that are starting to break through”.
    All continents have one-sided qualifying matches, as fans of Gibraltar or San Marino can confirm. But teams from outside of Europe and South America get too few opportunities to test themselves against the best. In the past two years, Iran have played just two games against a team from either continent (Macedonia and Montenegro), as have Japan, South Korea and China. African sides suffer from this problem too, and find themselves lower down the Elo rankings, with their strongest teams in the high thirties. But they at least are producing plenty of talent: Nigeria, Côte d'Ivoire, Ghana and Senegal all have between 14 and 21 big-five-league players. North American nations, meanwhile, are benefiting from closer integration with their South American cousins. Last year’s centenary edition of the Copa América featured both continents, and the United States and Mexico are rumoured to be among the invitees for an expanded tournament in 2019.

    Japan and China have also been suggested as possible entrants for the competition. Such opportunities are crucial for the development of Asian football. Without them, the continent might drift for another 15 years. Mr Xi hopes that China will be able to compete at the highest level by then, since he expects it to become a “world football superpower” by 2050. Developing the requisite talent will be hard. But without regularly challenging themselves against the likes of Brazil and Germany, rather than Bahrain and Jordan, the effort might be futile.
    "If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend."~Bruce Lee

    #2
    I think another big part of why asian teams dominant is the fact that away matches are very difficult. Away in Asia is always difficult regardless of who you play against. We drew to Turkmenistan early on and the stadium atmosphere was very alienating and I'm sure that every team that faces Iran in the Azadi feels that. Also away games against teams like Thailand are also feirce. Much more so that away ties in Europe or Africa i believe.
    South Korea ,Australia and Japan have all struggled
    Some nations don't even want their players to develop, Saudi Arabia usually blocks their players from going to Europe as does UAE, Omar Abdullafromans club offered him a lot of money if he had been paid less maybe he woulda moved to Europe and become a good player.

    Also some players like Son Heung Min just can't adapt to the scrappy style of asian football having played so well all season he looks like an amateur when he plays for south Korea. I feel the same way about the top australian and Japanese players, they rarely seem to replicate their club form. Whereas our players like Milmo and Azmoun are able to.

    Also China is stupid to spend so much money on big name players. It's just a waste of cash and stops Chinese domestic players from getting experience in their leagues. I think they won't qualify until 2026. Also look at countries histories China has rarely been good at team sports they are better individually. I think there's nothing more toxic for a nations football to have loads of playerd earning 200ka week playing in a league they don't give a shit about
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      #3
      Nothing is more important than interest in the game.

      In Iran, the interest is high, and that is reflected in the talent pool.

      You can't force a population to like a game. The interest has to grow organically.
      راه یکی است و آن راستی است

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        #4
        This is where IFF must try and have TM gain access to :
        "North American nations, meanwhile, are benefiting from closer integration with their South American cousins. Last year’s centenary edition of the Copa América featured both continents, and the United States and Mexico are rumoured to be among the invitees for an expanded tournament in 2019.
        Japan and China have also been suggested as possible entrants for the competition."

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          #5
          Well, sure if we stop sending players to Europe and stop the competition for roster spots for our players this will happen. CQ tried to stop this from happening by increasing competition in tm and forcing players to leave their comfort zone in Iran besides their family to go out in the world and earn their spots. But after he goes and we get another worthless Iranian coach, we will probably go backwards again playing the same clueless IPL players..

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            #6
            What the article gets wrong in my humble opinion is that they try to apply "number & statistics" to iran. In the past, Iran as a whole; ei country, population, sports etc etc, have shown to defy laws of mathematics & physics. Also, iranian players have everything going against them compared to other Asian countries. Name another country where there is ZERO support from the federation; or players have to pay to play; or teams have to pay for broadcasting, so on and so forth.
            These things can't be measured by GDP or players in "top 5 leagues."
            "If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend."~Bruce Lee

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              #7
              The article makes some valid points, but:
              -does not recognize that Iran generally performs well in other team sports like Volleyball and Basketball despite the lack of facilities and opportunities.
              -the amount of legionnaires has never been a good predictor for national team success
              -the Iranian League is simply more homogenous, not one or two superstar teams
              -ELO ranking is not flawless, the figure shown in the article actually does not prove their point: you can be in the top 20 with 5% as well as 20% legionnaires; it just shows that with a certain amount of legionnaires you cannot be worse than top 40 in the ELO rankings
              -a better analysis would consider market values; most Japanese players for example have pretty low values even though playing in top leagues; on the other hand most (about 40%) of the South Koreans team value comes from Heung-Min Son, so the rest is pretty average again
              -rankings suggest a reality that does not exist: what is the difference between places 15-25? it makes more sense to make "ranking block" out of teams with comparable strength
              -player exports to Europe are largely driven by "cycles"; one player opens the way for other players (e.g. Kagawa), right now its Japans turn as it was ours 10-20 years ago

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                #8
                Not that it matters, but I have boycotted reading the Economist. They refuse to use the proper name of Persian Gulf.

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                  #9
                  The only thing that separates Iran from Asia right now is King Carlos.
                  "History is a set of lies that people have agreed upon,"

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                    #10
                    Valid points but Iran is actually extremely overperforming in every sport when our situation is taken into consideration.


                    Futsal, volleyball, basketball, wrestling and weightlifting are all sports we are exceptional at on a world class level, the first three also being team sports.

                    The economist is a very pro imperialist pro Israel paper.

                    They are for the most part garbage.


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                      #11
                      So basically this article is saying iran did well because the rest of Asia sucks. Leave it to some neoliberal imperialists to come up with some reasoning to defend their biases. GDP per capita isn't the answer to every phenomenon in the world.

                      Our Beach soccer, Futsal and Volleyball are part of AFC, and while the rest of Asia sucks at those sports, we are world class. If an argument can fall apart so quickly with some baisc facts then its a crap argument. Neoliberalism is dead.

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                        #12
                        Poor article to be honest. After the first paragraph I honestly thought he could have gone somewhere with it but this looks like it could be written by a dude who probably watches football every 4 years (and only a few games at that).

                        First of all, he bases the presmise of his article on Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski's (economists) study. Kuper and Stefan presented their study in thier flagship book, Soccernomics, which I've read a few times. According to some metrics or other economic bullshit they try to measure "overperformance" or other whatever factors. Though the book was very entertaining when I first read it a few years ago, really wasn't groundbreaking in any way or form. Sorry, but economists, as much as they think they know everything, truly do. Not. Every 4 years I take a look at the Goldman Sachs World Cup bracket. Godlman Sachs, the world's most elite investment bank, uses their top-class Harvard educated economists to make a World Cup bracket, using all forms of advanced math. And it's always shit. Street kids in Iran that I would talk to had better World Cup predictions than these guys who used all these formulas. What does that say?
                        It honestly seems more like the writer of this article:

                        1) Saw somewhere on the news Iran qualified for the World Cup convincingly.
                        2) Because he's an economist who writes for the economist who has a minor interest in soccer, probably picked up the premier Soccer and Economics book and saw that it mentions obscurely on some chart they made that Iran overperforms compared to economy/populations or other weird factors.
                        3) Wrote a piece in the Economist blog about it.

                        As Rugs mentioned, passion, game strategy (the article writer did not mention Queiroz once?) and other factors that cannot be measured with calculus by economists are more revealing of football performance.

                        And no economist from "The Economist" can prove otherwise.

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                          #13
                          Typical Western biased ignorant editorial , no wonder the world is in such a mess, its because these so called western democratic countries, who poke thier noses into everything in developing countries are such ignorant fools, they never want to learn or educate themselves on the real story, but only from what they see and here on fox news and Chuck Norris films!

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by rugs View Post
                            Nothing is more important than interest in the game.

                            In Iran, the interest is high, and that is reflected in the talent pool.

                            You can't force a population to like a game. The interest has to grow organically.
                            Exactly. And these are the intangibles that make football great.

                            Its why a country like Brazil with mostly poor football infrastructure continues to produce some of the world's best teams and players.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Nokhodi View Post
                              Exactly. And these are the intangibles that make football great.

                              Its why a country like Brazil with mostly poor football infrastructure continues to produce some of the world's best teams and players.

                              Most of the americas have very poor infrastructure and continue to produce great players.

                              consider a country like columbia or ecuador who are MUCH more poor than iran, it really is all about passion and love for the game.
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