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We have to keep in mind that our guys did NOT start the physical confrontation. Nekounam is experienced, yes, but he was still a player till literally this summer. I'm sure psychologically he still sees himself more as captain of the team than as a coach. Winning a crucial WCQ opener...in front of a sold out crowd...in the most dramatic fashion when everyone thought there were only seconds left in the game... these are all factors that make it easy to see why Javad would celebrate that way. But ultimately he only CELEBRATED. He did not punch, slap or kick anyone. The ones who need to be ashamed are the ones who spent most of the second half grass rolling and then tried to start an all-out brawl after conceding a late winner.
Personally I'm glad to see the team stick up for each other like this and have this kind of Us Against The World mentality. This is quite new for us actually! One of the most pathetic things I've seen as a TM fan was the 2008 loss against Saudis at Azadi after they scored the second goal. Our LB Ashjari tried to take the ball back for a restart and a group of Saudi players surrounded him and started pushing and shoving and manhandling him--without a single one of our players bothering to stick up for their teammate! I felt so embarrassed watching a rival team come to our house, take the lead, proceed to push and hit one of our players in front of thousands of fans, without even one of our guys trying to defend their mate.
Querioz has already talked to Nekounam about this from the reports I've read so I'm sure he'll keep his cool from now on, but I'll take passion and overzealous celebrations over that pathetic indifference and cowardice we had under previous coaches.
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Keano jan you just can't watch it with an IP address from US. You can download a VPN http://www.cyberghostvpn.com/en_us and connect to Canadian server for example and you'll be good to go.Originally posted by Keano View PostWowwwww, thank you so much for letting me know. Dammit this will make a big difference in watching and enjoying the matches!
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GA jaan,Originally posted by Ghermez Agha View PostI get that nekounam is a coach and shouldnt be running around and everything but lets be real people, just running past a bench does not deserve the whole squad and staff coming after you like that! If im not mistaken, all he did was run past them not show them any gesture (until they started coming at him then he did). The Qatari's were butt hurt and acted like the children they are, its as simple as that. How many times do we see coaches jump up and down and celebrate.
Also keep in mind this is nekounam's first game as a coach. Like a player, theres a learning curve and everyone will make mistakes (again, I dont even think this was that bad or a mistake to begin with but I can see what you're saying).
On the flip side...what sardar did was 100% ridiculous, low class, and disgusting honestly. His action yesyerday made me think very differently of him. As keano mentioned...he flew in out of nowhere to start even more trouble and easily could have and quite honestly should have gotten a red. JB and Gucci should be the role models of this team, never do you see these two getting involved in any kind of hashiyeh because they're smart and have some class. Sardar needs to take notes and pay close attention before it screws him and the team over in a more crucial part of WCQs!!!
We're not here to give the no identity team of Qatar a moral and demeanor class, I could care less how they behave and play. But what I am concerned about is our own action for may warrant some serious reaction and punishment by FIFA/AFC.
We are only responsible for our own action, and not others. Therefore honestly It is quite pointless to discuss the immorality of the Qatari team. [emoji846]
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It should be also a part of the coachings work to teach the players diciplin and how to behave (civilized),
ama carlos khodesh ke az hame efrati tare....goftam dastane pish nemaz pas nemaz mishe akharesh...........
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I get that nekounam is a coach and shouldnt be running around and everything but lets be real people, just running past a bench does not deserve the whole squad and staff coming after you like that! If im not mistaken, all he did was run past them not show them any gesture (until they started coming at him then he did). The Qatari's were butt hurt and acted like the children they are, its as simple as that. How many times do we see coaches jump up and down and celebrate.
Also keep in mind this is nekounam's first game as a coach. Like a player, theres a learning curve and everyone will make mistakes (again, I dont even think this was that bad or a mistake to begin with but I can see what you're saying).
On the flip side...what sardar did was 100% ridiculous, low class, and disgusting honestly. His action yesyerday made me think very differently of him. As keano mentioned...he flew in out of nowhere to start even more trouble and easily could have and quite honestly should have gotten a red. JB and Gucci should be the role models of this team, never do you see these two getting involved in any kind of hashiyeh because they're smart and have some class. Sardar needs to take notes and pay close attention before it screws him and the team over in a more crucial part of WCQs!!!
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I agree. This will hurt us. Nekonaum should not have been out there celebrating. That is amateur. This same player played for many years in the best league in the world, scored against Real Madrid, scored a heroic goal to lift Osasuna against Bordeaux in the UEFA cup. He needs to be more composed. If this happened against us, we would be crying foul - as we should be.Originally posted by Keano View PostA valid point. The last thing we want is all 5 teams uniting to deprive us from qualifying, and trust me that can very well become reality if we keep on pulling the over emotional behavior. Qatar, Uzbekistan, and Korea are already on that path (Revenge) All we need is to get under skin of the Chinese and also pissing off the Syrians.
We act quite arrogant at times, I know most of you guys won't concede this, but it is true. Let's all relax, and stop this rage before it's too late. I truly hope TM will have some psychological mentoring to help them control their emotions, including Mr. CQ. The last thing I want is severe punishment by AFC/FIFA or a total gang up against us by our group teams!
I'm just glad we got our three points and are looking for the next challenge in China!
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it doesnt work with the "bolting"
CQ bayast aroom beshe vagar na baghiye haar mishan....jaryane pish nemaz paz nemaze dige hehe
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exactly, thanksOriginally posted by Keano;
We act quite arrogant at times, I know most of you guys won't concede this, but it is true. Let's all relax, and stop this rage before it's too late. I truly hope TM will have some psychological mentoring to help them control their emotions,[Uincluding Mr. CQ.[/U] The last thing I want is severe punishment by AFC/FIFA or a total gang up against us by our group teams!
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A valid point. The last thing we want is all 5 teams uniting to deprive us from qualifying, and trust me that can very well become reality if we keep on pulling the over emotional behavior. Qatar, Uzbekistan, and Korea are already on that path (Revenge) All we need is to get under skin of the Chinese and also pissing off the Syrians.Originally posted by persiangodfather View PostYes thats true, Now we have a huge bulls eye on us, Not only does Korea hate us for Similar thing we did in their field last time, Qatar wants revenge, We are making this harder on ourselves
We act quite arrogant at times, I know most of you guys won't concede this, but it is true. Let's all relax, and stop this rage before it's too late. I truly hope TM will have some psychological mentoring to help them control their emotions, including Mr. CQ. The last thing I want is severe punishment by AFC/FIFA or a total gang up against us by our group teams!
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Khodemoonim, raftaresh khaily sorkhpoosti bood......reminds me of the Mongolian wrestler by the olympics, starting to celebrate too early....
Kami ghanoonmandi dashtan zarari be national image ma namizane......
nobody tolerates the attacking of the Saudis embassy in tehran, do we?
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Yes thats true, Now we have a huge bulls eye on us, Not only does Korea hate us for Similar thing we did in their field last time, Qatar wants revenge, We are making this harder on ourselvesOriginally posted by mehdiKia15 View Postgood for the team standing up for each other.But no need for JN to come on to the field its 1 game we were celebrating like that when we qualify not after 1 game.Team Melli needs to act like like they've been here before.I have a few friends who work for the local sports radio station here in Vancouver and we were watching the game together, they were like you guys are acting like you qualified for the world cup already.
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good for the team standing up for each other.But no need for JN to come on to the field its 1 game we were celebrating like that when we qualify not after 1 game.Team Melli needs to act like like they've been here before.I have a few friends who work for the local sports radio station here in Vancouver and we were watching the game together, they were like you guys are acting like you qualified for the world cup already.
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Nekounam and i think Ezatollahi did celebrate in front of Qataris, specially look at Ezatollahi in the back. He does not need to do this, and Nekounam also did wrong, what the f.uck is this. Did not need to do this in my eyes. Their coach, look at him, he is right, with his finger and so on...
Baba hala Querioz ye harekati to korea kard, dige hameh yad gereftan, translator, nekounam, hameh dige zadan be simeh akhar
Guys i watched also youtube, they show all matches, very good quality, and if you have another laptop or computer, or in the back you can run crib stream and you can organize the youtube video time to the irib commentator (try to same minute, play) you can go back with youtube video (relive, little bit delay) and wohlaaa you have both
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i agree karim would have fucked it up and we would be crying nowOriginally posted by H.Behzadi FAN View PostLet's be honest ..
WTF is our assistant coach doing running down the sideline .. passing their bench and running on to the field ... ??
And later on ... you see Azmoun (who had gone on to the pitch to say something to Gucci AWAY from the first bust up) THEN RUN FULL SPEED into a Qatari player who didn't even look like he was doing much .
Azmoun is lucky not to have gotten sent off and missing the next macth.
Nekunam needs to learn COACHING and PLAYING are 2 different things.
ps. I AM CONVINCED IF THE QATARI defender had not toe poked the ball to GUCCI ... that ANSARIFARD was NOT gonna pass to him and we would NOT have a goal.
100,000% convinced.
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