ACL ROUND 16 ( GAME 2): AL NASR VS TRACTOR SAZI ; AL AIN VS ZOB AHAN

[Nariman]

Give me one LOGIC reason to critisize such a thing. PLEASE!
When a player has no future in Europe and has no real offer(other than typical Bazar-Garmi in media), he has a choice between IPL vs Qatar league. Why would he stay in IPL when the offer is 3 times more and quality if is not better than IPL is not worse?
Those days that people bashed Arab leagues because of poor quality vs IPL is over. Get over it guys.
As i said many times i am in favor of any European move(even Belgium, Greece, etc) over these league but in case of no offer, i don't see why a player shouldn't make more money, Nooshe Joonesh..

What you say is completely wrong and history is against your flawed argumentation as well. Numerous of Iranians players have gone downhill in arab leagues, you can’t close your eyes on facts just to stick to your opinion – regardless of what you say, we have already seen the results - so I don’t need to come up with reasons when everything is damn obvious.

The problem is our players do have offers, maybe not from Bayern, Real Madrid or Barcelona, but they do have offers - however most prefer to either stay in Iran or move to some arab leagues because of money/fame/easy life - hence why the fans rightfully criticize them and are not happy to see hundreds of talents being wasted.

[Nader25]

we have dozens of players, playing down there in these Qatari and UAE teams every year, just wondering why we never see any of these players or their teams beeing participating in this ACL tournemets. Is it because they are playing for crappy teams in these
countries?

I have always been curious about this why, without beeing certain of any particular reason that could explain it.

[Iran_19]

Well, he's 26. I don't think you can call him a kid anymore.

27, not a kid indeed.

[BacheLot]

Give me one LOGIC reason to critisize such a thing. PLEASE!
When a player has no future in Europe and has no real offer(other than typical Bazar-Garmi in media), he has a choice between IPL vs Qatar league. Why would he stay in IPL when the offer is 3 times more and quality if is not better than IPL is not worse?
Those days that people bashed Arab leagues because of poor quality vs IPL is over. Get over it guys.
As i said many times i am in favor of any European move(even Belgium, Greece, etc) over these leagues but in case of no offer, i don't see why a player shouldn't make more money, Nooshe Joonesh..

Far too many times in the past our players transfer to Ayrab leagues has resulted in Tremendous drop in their form and fitness and major overall decline in their footballing quality..!!
Thats why more so than many other reason, which are more subjective and open to dispute.!!
there is a reason that no decent European player also considers such a move until they are almost completely played out ..!

[Iran_19]

What you say is completely wrong and history is against your flawed argumentation as well. Numerous of Iranians players have gone downhill in arab leagues, you can’t close your eyes on facts just to stick to your opinion – regardless of what you say, we have already seen the results - so I don’t need to come up with reasons when everything is damn obvious.

The problem is our players do have offers, maybe not from Bayern, Real Madrid or Barcelona, but they do have offers - however most prefer to either stay in Iran or move to some arab leagues because of money/fame/easy life - hence why the fans rightfully criticize them and are not happy to see hundreds of talents being wasted.

Which Iranian player quality dropped in Arab League and how you would know his quality wouldn't drop in our local league? So are you trying telling me our league is better than theirs?
Player have offers, lol... If you are around this football for long enough you should know 90% of so called offers are typical bazar-garmi and you see that either before start of season or at the end of season..

[Iran_19]

Far too many times in the past our players transfer to Ayrab leagues has resulted in Tremendous drop in their form and fitness and major overall decline in their footballing quality..!!
Thats why more so than many other reason, which are more subjective and open to dispute.!!
there is a reason that no decent European player also considers such a move until they are almost completely played out ..!

10 years a go, even 5 i could agree at some extend but not now. Why you don't say a guy like Dejagah continue being still our best player despite playing in so called crappy Arab league? Why guys like Javad, Shojaei, Bagheri, Daei, Karimi all transferred to Europe from Arab Leagues. That is resume almost half of our legionnaires in almost two decades.

[arasradio]

DISASTROUS OUTCOME OF IRANIAN SOCCER SHENANIGAN

Ending the preliminary stage with two top teams of the respective groups and ending it by elimination of both teams to Emirati teams:

WE CAN NOT HAVE BELOW EXCUSES:

1- That we did not have the drive and motivation: A BIG No! We had the political and social motivation. We lost both on political and sports field. Both Saudi and Iranian sports were harmed by the fight between the two federations. The motivation existed as UAE teams had disrespected Iran and Iranians claiming that Iran was not a safe country, therefore we had all the motivation to win. However, starless tired and financially entrenched Iranian teams under a lot of political tensions as well. finally surrendered not to the top of the other respective groups but to the runner ups

2- We cannot say it was bad referees: Even though Tractor Sazi played with courage and patriotic; however it was too late amd too little. Yes there were bad calls, however we lost it right in the first match

3- We cannot say that the field was not good or the weather was too hot and all those excuses ...

This is the state of our clubs that will definitely affect our representation at the ACL level.

With all respect to the Iranian players, however we need more non Iranian stars injected to these clubs. Few years ago, our teams did somewhat better as we had great players from abroad. even though we did not have stars, but the blend of Iranian creativity and foreign experience and stamina had made our teams strong. WE ARE COMPLETELY DRAINED OF SUCH FACTOR NOW! Why is that? Simply because our clubs are not professionals and we cannot bring talents to Iran. As a result of that we do not learn from outside of our borders.

Not necessarily that outer football is far better than us, but it will be very helpful to familiarize ourselves with all others have to offer; variety of techniques and systems that are now being seen in likes of Abdulrahman. Do not get mad guys. I hate it too. I hate to say that we are finally behind UAE now wand we have to watch the two Arab brothers humiliate and school us on the field. They have learned the moves not from local players but with being teammates with stars. I hate myself for confirming and confessing to that.

CONSEQUENCES OF AMATURE FOOTBALL

Our unprofessional financially battered football is eventually phasing out. We can return, however it takes a lot of work, passion and courage to even get back to where we were before. Mullah Ali Geda sibchekhe the supreme leader of extremists once upon time said that the embargo is a NEMAT and our revolutionary resistive economy shall force the enemies to kneel before us. For now, not only our economy, infrastructure and our female force has kneeled but our clubs are falling apart

Attention those lovely people that were against the unreal rumors of Persepolis acquiring Ronaldinho while calling him old and fat; however if we are lucky to get players like that to bring a bit of fame, money and most important of al "confidence" back to our clubs; we are the luckiest. but too bad that these are just rumors to cover up all the shortcomings and disasters.
My friends; today is a sad day for our football and this will send negative vibes to all our football foundations.

There are exit strategies to come out of this hell we made for ourselves:

1- Not taking these failures lightly and analyze it carefully to correct our teams

2- Injecting more and better foreign players

3- Using top notch world class coaches

4- Professionalism at all levels

5- Building infrastructure

These are hard to execute in a Mullahtaria undr Ali Sib Chekhe though. However, we wish again that they learn and we hope that AFC once again underestimate these losses and give us at least 3+1 Representation that is very unlikely this time around ....

Two of the top teams of the groups are eliminated at the hands of the runner ups of the other groups, while all other top teams have advanced! DISATSER

[Keano]

Al Ain> Al Nasr> Any Iranian team. The bad news is Al Ain & Al Nasr will not get any further which gives us the real story of where Iranian football stands.

We just need to get out of our imaginary shell and take in the reality. Our exorbitant amount of pride has always been our biggest enemy. Khod bozorgbini...

[BacheLot]

10 years a go, even 5 i could agree at some extend but not now. Why you don't say a guy like Dejagah continue being still our best player despite playing in so called crappy Arab league? Why guys like Javad, Shojaei, Bagheri, Daei, Karimi all transferred to Europe from Arab Leagues. That is resume almost half of our legionnaires in more than decade.

if you really dont think Dejagha's form has taken a nose dive since his gutter move, then there is no sense in debating this matter with you..!
all other players you mentioned at least done that on twilight of their TM careers and true to form, such a move fast-tracked their final exit outa TM football consequently..!! well, expect perhaps Neku who did initially used it as a springboard for a EU move to Osasuna, i think AK's early Al Ahli move doesnt quiet fit the same scenario..!!
more often than not, it takes a lot of self control and maturity to move from a fat paying contract in Ayrab league to make the jump an EU move with meager salaries and high taxes and difficulties of life so far away from home..! Neku and AK were exceptions, mostly because they were still somewhat young and always possessed well above average football abilities, hence they managed to still acquire EU teams interests even after wasting away a few years in Ayrab football wasteland..!

no one can dispute the fact that our EU based TM players have almost always been the marquee TM performers internationally ..!

[Iran_19]

if you really dont think Dejagha's form has taken a nose dive since his gutter move, then there is no sense in debating this matter with you..!
all other players you mentioned at least done that on twilight of their TM careers and true to form, such a move fast-tracked their final exit outa TM football consequently..!! well, expect perhaps Neku who did initially used it as a springboard for a EU move to Osasuna, i think AK's early Al Ahli move doesnt quiet fit the same scenario..!!
more often than not, it takes a lot of self control and maturity to move from a fat paying contract in Ayrab league to make the jump an EU move with meager salaries and high taxes and difficulties of life so far away from home..! Neku and AK were exceptions, mostly because they were still somewhat young and always possessed well above average football abilities, hence they managed to still acquire EU teams interests even after wasting away a few years in Ayrab football wasteland..!
no one can dispute the fact that our EU based TM players have almost always been the marquee TM performers internationally ..!

I am comparing apple with apple, i am saying how would you know if Dejagah quality wouldn't drop if he was playing for Persepolis instead of Al-Ahli as example. No one defend player who join Arab League from Europe(unless he is over 30 and passed his prime) but i seriously don't get why people get mad because our players join Arab League when in reality they have no better offer.
At least you have chance to face and play with couple of quality players each game(mostly foreigners), which is not the case in IPL.
Dude Daei was playing for Al Saad when he shined in Asian Cup and got transferred.
Bagheri was also on laon to Al-Nasr before Charlton move.

[_Navid_]

DISASTROUS OUTCOME OF IRANIAN SOCCER SHENANIGAN

Ending the preliminary stage with two top teams of the respective groups and ending it by elimination of both teams to Emirati teams:

WE CAN NOT HAVE BELOW EXCUSES:

1- That we did not have the drive and motivation: A BIG No! We had the political and social motivation. We lost both on political and sports field. Both Saudi and Iranian sports were harmed by the fight between the two federations. The motivation existed as UAE teams had disrespected Iran and Iranians claiming that Iran was not a safe country, therefore we had all the motivation to win. However, starless tired and financially entrenched Iranian teams under a lot of political tensions as well. finally surrendered not to the top of the other respective groups but to the runner ups

2- We cannot say it was bad referees: Even though Tractor Sazi played with courage and patriotic; however it was too late amd too little. Yes there were bad calls, however we lost it right in the first match

3- We cannot say that the field was not good or the weather was too hot and all those excuses ...

This is the state of our clubs that will definitely affect our representation at the ACL level.

With all respect to the Iranian players, however we need more non Iranian stars injected to these clubs. Few years ago, our teams did somewhat better as we had great players from abroad. even though we did not have stars, but the blend of Iranian creativity and foreign experience and stamina had made our teams strong. WE ARE COMPLETELY DRAINED OF SUCH FACTOR NOW! Why is that? Simply because our clubs are not professionals and we cannot bring talents to Iran. As a result of that we do not learn from outside of our borders.

Not necessarily that outer football is far better than us, but it will be very helpful to familiarize ourselves with all others have to offer; variety of techniques and systems that are now being seen in likes of Abdulrahman. Do not get mad guys. I hate it too. I hate to say that we are finally behind UAE now wand we have to watch the two Arab brothers humiliate and school us on the field. They have learned the moves not from local players but with being teammates with stars. I hate myself for confirming and confessing to that.

CONSEQUENCES OF AMATURE FOOTBALL

Our unprofessional financially battered football is eventually phasing out. We can return, however it takes a lot of work, passion and courage to even get back to where we were before. Mullah Ali Geda sibchekhe the supreme leader of extremists once upon time said that the embargo is a NEMAT and our revolutionary resistive economy shall force the enemies to kneel before us. For now, not only our economy, infrastructure and our female force has kneeled but our clubs are falling apart

Attention those lovely people that were against the unreal rumors of Persepolis acquiring Ronaldinho while calling him old and fat; however if we are lucky to get players like that to bring a bit of fame, money and most important of al "confidence" back to our clubs; we are the luckiest. but too bad that these are just rumors to cover up all the shortcomings and disasters.
My friends; today is a sad day for our football and this will send negative vibes to all our football foundations.

There are exit strategies to come out of this hell we made for ourselves:

1- Not taking these failures lightly and analyze it carefully to correct our teams

2- Injecting more and better foreign players

3- Using top notch world class coaches

4- Professionalism at all levels

5- Building infrastructure

These are hard to execute in a Mullahtaria undr Ali Sib Chekhe though. However, we wish again that they learn and we hope that AFC once again underestimate these losses and give us at least 3+1 Representation that is very unlikely this time around ....

Two of the top teams of the groups are eliminated at the hands of the runner ups of the other groups, while all other top teams have advanced! DISATSER

Very well said. Unfortunately people will always have their excuses. The newest one being the teams were good last year and not this year!!!

[Nokhodi]

I am comparing apple with apple, i am saying how would you know if Dejagah quality wouldn't drop if he was playing for Persepolis instead of Al-Ahli as example. No one defend player who join Arab League from Europe(unless he is over 30 and passed his prime) but i seriously don't get why people get mad because our players join Arab League when in reality they have no better offer.
At least you have chance to face and play with couple of quality players each game(mostly foreigners), which is not the case in IPL.
Dude Daei was playing for Al Saad when he shined in Asian Cup and got transferred.
Bagheri was also on laon to Al-Nasr before Charlton move.

Theoretically - yes, players could get just as bad if they're in Iran, but we have actually seen so many players completely fall apart in Arab leagues. Kazemian, Madanchi, Mobali, Samereh...

Even the players who transferred from Arab clubs to Europe - like Daei, Nekounam or Shojaei transferred because of performances in the national team. We still had players like Mahdavikia, Navidkia, Bagheri (to Bielefeld), Azizi, and most of the new players transfer directly from Iran.

Besdies we know most of the ones who transferred from Arab countries did so because the filthy dallals wanted to cut the clubs out as much as possible.

Anyways, I don't think anyone is saying the Arab league teams are bad... we are saying our club teams are never performing even anywhere close to their peak.

[Nariman]

Which Iranian player quality dropped in Arab League and how you would know his quality wouldn't drop in our local league? So are you trying telling me our league is better than theirs?
Player have offers, lol... If you are around this football for long enough you should know 90% of so called offers are typical bazar-garmi and you see that either before start of season or at the end of season..

Really? Are you seriously questioning this? Not sure how long enough you are around this football...
and no, I am actually constantly pointing out that no player will ever be able to improve in PGL, always criticizing the poor situation of our league - BUT at least in our league there are fans = hence more pressure and more excitement. In those arab leagues our players play in front of loudspeakers and feel no motivation to run for their money at least. For example Ando became much better when he returned to Iran, Jalal Hosseini said he will never return to Qatar...So yes, if there is really no offer I rather prefer our players to stay in Iran and at very least strengthen our own league.

Anyway, it is true that there is a lot of bazar-garmi, but there are still enough real offers our players don’t take. Besides my own inside information, if you had followed the news/interviews you would know that plenty of players did have offers, but they rejected it mostly because of money/fame issues or because they thought they are too good for a second division team - or they failed due to paper work or injuries...

Why you don't say a guy like Dejagah continue being still our best player despite playing in so called crappy Arab league?

Dejagah grew up in Europe, his situation is different. Still, Dejagah's quality and performance has dropped significantly since he stupidly moved to Qatar. Sure, He still is one of the better players, but that’s exactly because he learned the basics of football in Germany.

Why guys like Javad, Shojaei, Bagheri, Daei, Karimi all transferred to Europe from Arab Leagues. That is resume almost half of our legionnaires in almost two decades.

Let me answer that with your own comment:
"10 years a go, even 5 i could agree at some extend but not now"

Why don’t you look at our CURRENT legionnaires? Haghighi, Azmoun, Jahanbakhsh, Ezatollahi, Ansarifard, Haji Safi...did they play in some arab league previously? Everybody knows what arab leagues are about ($$$), not many scouts will waste their time anymore to search for talents in those gutter leagues.

[BacheLot]

I am comparing apple with apple, i am saying how would you know if Dejagah quality wouldn't drop if he was playing for Persepolis instead of Al-Ahli as example. No one defend player who join Arab League from Europe(unless he is over 30 and passed his prime) but i seriously don't get why people get mad because our players join Arab League when in reality they have no better offer.
At least you have chance to face and play with couple of quality players each game(mostly foreigners), which is not the case in IPL.
Dude Daei was playing for Al Saad when he shined in Asian Cup and got transferred.
Bagheri was also on laon to Al-Nasr before Charlton move.

can't really say i give a shitt enough about IPL n Ayrab leagues to follow and be able to adequately discern their quality difference and have legit opinion on that comparison.
at occasional glance, i agree they dont seem all so different...!! both shitt..
although ayrabs have better facilities and more legitimate foreign coaches, they badly lack a football passion, fanfare and following, hence the demanded and expected fitness and performance levels in ayrab league is also very limited so is the motivation for players to keep at their optimal levels..!!
then there is this $poiling of our footballer with paychecks well above their deserved levels, hence killing their motivation for their own betterment and best advancement of their football careers which will eventually affects their contribution Internationally in TM..!!

[Ardalan]

10 years a go, even 5 i could agree at some extend but not now. Why you don't say a guy like Dejagah continue being still our best player despite playing in so called crappy Arab league? Why guys like Javad, Shojaei, Bagheri, Daei, Karimi all transferred to Europe from Arab Leagues. That is resume almost half of our legionnaires in almost two decades.

Kam o bish hameye in baazikonhai ke migi bekhatere amalkarde khoobeshon dar TM raftan Europa, Lige Arab hich rabti be pishrafteshoon nadasht.