Iran possible 3rd round draws for WCQ 2018

[saeed_noro]

I prefer also Australia in Pot 1 and prefer in worst case iran korea japan instead iran australia japan...

all in all

THIS TIME if North Korea, Iraq, Syria and China or UAE go through, we will have for the first time the HARDEST FINAL ROUND ever, because in the past china and other did not make it to the final round, but this time i thing we will really have the hardest qualification of all time, with 3,4 teams of each group really able to make it to the world cup with only two fixed places.

Iran should be doing good preparation!

[Omid177]

We can still face them, if Saudi beats UAE. Then we will avoid the Saudis.

Then I prefer the Saudis. Australia can wait

[Damavand]

KSA climbing so many places in the past 2 months really screwed things up for everyone.

[04041374]

So god forbid, if we lose today can we drop to Pot B ??

Only saudi could overtake us. In worst case we will become 2nd in the ranking.

[Damavand]

So god forbid, if we lose today can we drop to Pot B ??

[04041374]

Australia is in the same pot with us. Omg since they joined AFC in 2007 we are the only team in asia who didn´t meet them yet. I really wanted Iran vs Australia in the CQ era, not when Ghalenoei or some other shitty coach takes over.

We can still face them, if Saudi beats UAE. Then we will avoid the Saudis.

[Omid177]

Australia is in the same pot with us. Omg since they joined AFC in 2007 we are the only team in asia who didn´t meet them yet. I really wanted Iran vs Australia in the CQ era, not when Ghalenoei or some other shitty coach takes over.

[Raptor]

If China, Iraq or North Korea fail to win their games, UAE will go through even with a loss against Saudi (since Jordan already lost). The results from those three games will be known before UAE-Saudi has started. In that case, Saudi would gain much more from a win than UAE would.

Also, the referee for UAE-Saudi is from Bahrain.

[Damavand]

true, but as i said, if you beat teams next to you in the ranking, is more worth as if you have big difference, for example they beat palestine and malaysia, it is more worth as iran would beat palestine and malaysia, and first they have to win their match today.


Australia won 5:1 vs. Jordan and is now ranked higher as Korea and Japan, whatever happens in Japan match( leading 1:0) right now.

Australia is now in Pot 1 with us, but only Saudi Arabia can jump into Pot 1.

right now:


Iran, Australia
Korea, Japan
Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan

If Saudis win the match ,a group like IRAN, Australia/Korea, Japan is possible.

That will be a nightmare. Lets hope KSA loses, which I think they will.

[saeed_noro]

The problem is, KSA only beat UAE once which was higher ranked than them at the time. All the other games they played was with teams like Malaysia, Timor-Leste and Palestine which were ranked below them.

So how they jumped up so many places in ranking is very FISHY.

true, but as i said, if you beat teams next to you in the ranking, is more worth as if you have big difference, for example they beat palestine and malaysia, it is more worth as iran would beat palestine and malaysia, and first they have to win their match today.


Australia won 5:1 vs. Jordan and is now ranked higher as Korea and Japan, whatever happens in Japan match( leading 1:0) right now.

Australia is now in Pot 1 with us, but only Saudi Arabia can jump into Pot 1.

right now:


Iran, Australia
Korea, Japan
Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan

If Saudis win the match ,a group like IRAN, Australia/Korea, Japan is possible.

[Bessos]

FIFA made the ranking calculation so hard that nobody really understands it.

[Afat11]

The problem is, KSA only beat UAE once which was higher ranked than them at the time. All the other games they played was with teams like Malaysia, Timor-Leste and Palestine which were ranked below them.
So how they jumped up so many places in ranking is very FISHY.

Belgium is the current #1 ranked team in the world. That should tell you the ranking system is flawed. It's highly arguable to an average unbiased football fan to claim that Belgium is the best team in the world, but that's the current ranking.

[Damavand]

The problem is, KSA only beat UAE once which was higher ranked than them at the time. All the other games they played was with teams like Malaysia, Timor-Leste and Palestine which were ranked below them.

So how they jumped up so many places in ranking is very FISHY.

[saeed_noro]

I know nothing about how this FIFA ranking works, and I don't really give a shit, but just curious as how the fuck Saudi Arabia has managed to be ahead of Japan, Korea and Australia to be in pot 1??

i think is based on the teams they defeat, if they defeat harder team you get more points, and you beat easier teams you get less point, because saudi for this round got harder team like uae, therefore they will get more points,compare to japan or korea who are facing easier teams

For example:

If Guam beats Iran, they collect much more points compared Iran beats Guam.

Saudi Arabia and also Australia was bad in the fifa rankings for a while, specially saudis....now they improved, played better teams in the rankings and won their matches, also vs. UAE first game, and UAE is ranked higher that time.

Saudis collect a lot of points because of the fact they beat some harder/stronger teams.
Note: Every "lower" team can collect much more points by beating higher teams, so if teams beat us, for example Oman, they get the maximum points, highest points..995 while iran beating oman is just 657 for iran...

results from this year go into the calculation 100%, last year 50%, two years ago 30% and three years ago 20%.

competitive matches bring more points as friendlies (for example korea now against thailand was less worth as a victory vs. kuwait if they faced each other)

here is detailed http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranki...edure/men.html

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The basic logic of these calculations is simple: any team that does well in world football wins points which enable it to climb the world ranking.

A team’s total number of points over a four-year period is determined by adding:

The average number of points gained from matches during the past 12 months; and
The average number of points gained from matches older than 12 months (depreciates yearly).


Calculation of points for a single match

The number of points that can be won in a match depends on the following factors:

Was the match won or drawn? (M)
How important was the match (ranging from a friendly match to a FIFA World Cup™ match)? (I)How strong was the opposing team in terms of ranking position and the confederation to which they belong? (T and C)


These factors are brought together in the following formula to ascertain the total number of points (P):

P = M x I x T x C

The following criteria apply to the calculation of points:

M: Points for match result

Teams gain 3 points for a victory, 1 point for a draw and 0 points for a defeat. In a penalty shoot-out, the winning team gains 2 points and the losing team gains 1 point.

I: Importance of match

Friendly match (including small competitions): I = 1.0

FIFA World Cup™ qualifier or confederation-level qualifier: I = 2.5

Confederation-level final competition or FIFA Confederations Cup: I = 3.0

FIFA World Cup™ final competition: I = 4.0

T: Strength of opposing team

The strength of the opponents is based on the formula: 200 – the ranking position of the opponents. As an exception to this formula, the team at the top of the ranking is always assigned the value 200 and the teams ranked 150th and below are assigned a minimum value of 50. The ranking position is taken from the opponents’ ranking in the most recently published FIFA/Coca-Cola World Ranking.

C: Strength of confederation

When calculating matches between teams from different confederations, the mean value of the confederations to which the two competing teams belong is used. The strength of a confederation is calculated on the basis of the number of victories by that confederation at the last three FIFA World Cup™ competitions (see following page). Their values are as follows:

CONMEBOL 1.00
UEFA 0.99
AFC/CAF/OFC/CONCACAF 0.85

[ehsan singapore]

I'm going to add,who cares if Saudi gavbandi bokoneh with UAE. They'll avoid us but still be at risk of playing Japan/SK/Australia. In fact I think it would work to our benefit. We have all of our home games.

i dont think we will meet all of them,we have alway meet arab teams in the final round, if we get thailand is good, i fancy japan over korea, japan is weaker, and as little arab team as possible avoid qatar, get like uzbekistan and north korea is better, we can play big teams better, arab teams are annoying and we cant do that well