Any analysis of CQ's performance must take into account our TALENT DROUGHT

[foadm_2000]

I don't think we have a talent drought but I def think that our players today are not on the same caliber as our late 90's early 2000 team. I think the likes of Sardar, JB Ezzi, Torabi ... are great but they have a long way before they prove themselves to be like the stars we used to have. They very well may develop into great players for TM and their European teams but I feel like there are not close to that yet. people tend to forget what (Daei, BAgheri, AK, HAshemian, Mahdavikia) did in Europe a decade ago. Even our second rate players like Dinmohammadi and minavand played for european clubs.

[Z Joon]

I don't think we have a talent drought, but even if we did, we still have and will always have a hell of a lot more talent at the full national level than countries like Jordan, Qatar, Syria, Thailand and North Korea, all of which had more points than us at the half way point of the group stage.

More talent than all the countries outside Japan, Korea and Australia I'd say. Right now we have even more talented players than Australia as well Imo

[Bi-honar]

I don't think we have a talent drought, but even if we did, we still have and will always have a hell of a lot more talent at the full national level than countries like Jordan, Qatar, Syria, Thailand and North Korea, all of which had more points than us at the half way point of the group stage.

And Syria and North Korea are not exactly known for their great facilities, lack of corruption or football budget, so please let's scratch those from the list of excuses as well. Hell, the poor Syrians aren't even playing their matches at home!

As much as I hate excuses, they're at least tolerable if we were comparing ourselves to a top 50 team or even talking about Australia, Japan or South Korea - not when we're talking about teams that are ranked 100-150.

Sorry but this is non sense, the talent we have is immense bruh

[Ghermez Agha]

yes, we have 3 "promising" players, I agree with that, but aside from Jahanbakhsh (somewhat), they still haven't fully proven themselves in Europe by putting 3-4 seasons of good play together and could be complete busts. You call 8-9 decent-to-good performances from Taremi, Torabi, Amiri, and Ghafouri 'PROVING THEMSELVES'? No man, scoring 16 goals in the bundesliga in a single season is proving yourself (Hashemian). being a starter in a european club for 2-3 seasons is proving yourself. putting together 15-20 good TM matches and scoring vital goals is proving yourself. None of these players has proven anything. if anything, you're showing how incredibly low our standards have become. Sure, Taremi, Torabi, Amiri are "talents"; I'm not saying they suck, I'm just saying that in comparison to prior generations, these 3 wouldn't even get selected for the squad.

Even if there is "unequal" opportunity for Iranians,surely it's no more unequal than it was 10 years ago, during the Ahmadinejad era, when Iran was an international pariah and countries were lobbying Germany to prevent Iran from participating in WC2006. Even then, worthy TM players like karimi, shojaei, teymourian, and nekounam were going to EPL, La Liga, and Bundesliga. If it's "unequal" now, it was "Unequal" then, so that argument is utter BS.

If you think that Amiri dribbling past players during friendlies, beiranvand having a long throw, or individual highlight performances, warrant a contract in Europe maybe you truly don't understand how this all works. this self victimization is absurd.

It's not just 3, those 3 are the ones that have potential to be the best ever in their respective positions. They all made moves to Europe in their teenage years and 2 out of the 3 got consistent match praxis (JB and Azmoun) from the beginning of their arrival. Name me one time in the history of our football that has ever happened. Keep in mind the world class goals JB scored against Ajax to single handedly keep their hopes of survival alive not to mention the many other goals and assists he had in his first season. I'd be more than happy to compile a list of the upcoming golden era in our football consisting of 10-15 extremely talented players since you seem to be unaware of it. You really think CQ would have opted to stay until 2018 if he didn't see this? Why would he stick here with all the shit he is to deal with day in day out only to possibly fail?

Exactly, it was unequal then and it was unequal now....as you mentioned we had 3-4 guys during that era go to Europe and we have had 3-4 guys in this era make the move to Europe, thanks for proving my point. Nothing has changed....if you don't want to acknowledge guys like Amiri who have performed for TM and their club brilliantly by calling them decent to good performances then that shows where the problem is for you. Everyone else sees it, if you chose not to then I'm not sure what to say. A

[ali alipour]

Sad to see people actually think like this and genuinely believe everything positive in Iranian football is solely because of cq. I'd like to see cq coach Yemen to see if he could get the same results as with Iran.

[Doctor DOOM]

I don't think we need to talk so much about such an absurd claim.

The shortest way to show how absurd this claim is to check how many Chinese players are playing in top leagues. Quite a bundle. Now compare those players with the likes of ours in PGL. Then you'd see nothing about transfers to Europe is so simple. There are a whole host of peripheral issues involved beyond the factor of ''talent/quality of a player''.

We're bending over backward to form a protective shield around CQ. That's not going to be helpful. For either side. Definitely not for those who put Iran as priority. But also for those who put CQ on top as this actually highlights and accentuates his mistakes and flaws even more.
So stop it. You're not helping anyone

[khodam]

We have no shortage of talent. And if you think playing in TM is more important than getting a lot more money in IPL, then you don't know much about economics of profesional sports.

The reason you see fewer Iranians in EU has to do with 1) the money they earn in Iran or UAE/Qatar 2) difficulty with sanctions which weren't in place when AK8 and Co. were in EU.

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[PersianLegion]

yes, we have 3 "promising" players, I agree with that, but aside from Jahanbakhsh (somewhat), they still haven't fully proven themselves in Europe by putting 3-4 seasons of good play together and could be complete busts. You call 8-9 decent-to-good performances from Taremi, Torabi, Amiri, and Ghafouri 'PROVING THEMSELVES'? No man, scoring 16 goals in the bundesliga in a single season is proving yourself (Hashemian). being a starter in a european club for 2-3 seasons is proving yourself. putting together 15-20 good TM matches and scoring vital goals is proving yourself. None of these players has proven anything. if anything, you're showing how incredibly low our standards have become. Sure, Taremi, Torabi, Amiri are "talents"; I'm not saying they suck, I'm just saying that in comparison to prior generations, these 3 wouldn't even get selected for the squad.

Even if there is "unequal" opportunity for Iranians,surely it's no more unequal than it was 10 years ago, during the Ahmadinejad era, when Iran was an international pariah and countries were lobbying Germany to prevent Iran from participating in WC2006. Even then, worthy TM players like karimi, shojaei, teymourian, and nekounam were going to EPL, La Liga, and Bundesliga. If it's "unequal" now, it was "Unequal" then, so that argument is utter BS.

If you think that Amiri dribbling past players during friendlies, beiranvand having a long throw, or individual highlight performances, warrant a contract in Europe maybe you truly don't understand how this all works. this self victimization is absurd.

You and Ghermez Agha have both some good arguments but you both look at the current situation from two totally opposite point of views. One is very optimistic the other is pessimistic. You don't need to attack each others, just say your opinion and list a number of factors you think causing problem or can help us overall.

It is true that we are in a transitional time so our team is not back to its past glory when our great players like Daei, Bagheri, Karimi, Azizi, Nekonam, Mahdavi, Hashemian,... were around but it looks like more in mid to late 90s when our last generation of great players came out of the shadow one by one and shined in international stages. I can see great potentials in likes of Azmoun, Amiri, Ezatollahi, JB, PAG, Beiranvand, Torabi, and bunch of other young players but it is still potentials and needs to be fully developed in international stages to catch the eyes of famous clubs in more respectable leagues. Good Iranian NT performances in AC/WCQ/ACL/WC/Friendlies is the right path to show their talents.

[Doctor DOOM]

Hoo boy, so much written and so much to refute.

Without getting into lengthy posts, I totally refute we have talent drought. The evidence is there in our youth and Omid teams as well as the youngsters in TM. Especially if we compare it to ASIAN standards. Unless in our zeal to defend CQ we suddenly put Brazil or Argentina as the standard. lol

I also disagree that it is easy for IRANIAN lads to go to Europe. We either talk about transfers in general or we talk about specific example of iran. One must be foolish or completely uninformed to think our case is similar to china's or Japan's.
On top of the general difficulties an Asian player faces in getting the transfer to Europe, places like Iran provide a whole new layer of difficulties and obstructions. Yes, political matters do have an impact. So do openness of the markets, copy rights issues, merchandizing prospects or lack of, wealth of the population, market maturity, language and cultural receptiveness, ... etc. Etc.

In other words, To say our lads stand EQUAL chance as if CQ's constant belittling and degrading of our people was not enough!!) just to support one individual. Whose aide are we on and who is the priority here?


I have tried to stay neutral and not jump at every opportunity to criticize CQ when there was reason to do so. But such sycophantic behavior and blind support is what makes one bring up every little screw up to show he's not such an untouchable God and he has many faults, mistakes, personality flaws, ...
Such inferiority complex towards a ''famous name'' is actually harmful.