Any analysis of CQ's performance must take into account our TALENT DROUGHT

[ramingeles2000]

We have no shortage of talent. And if you think playing in TM is more important than getting a lot more money in IPL, then you don't know much about economics of profesional sports.

The reason you see fewer Iranians in EU has to do with 1) the money they earn in Iran or UAE/Qatar 2) difficulty with sanctions which weren't in place when AK8 and Co. were in EU.

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This is a good point, thank you for actually responding to my arguments. It's true that compared to 10-15 years ago, IPL players are paid more, which prevents them from going to Europe. But still I have some counterarguments. First, look at Ansarifard and Hajisafi. Ansarifard was the IPL's best player and is absolutely average or below average in a mediocre European club. Similarly, Hajisafi, probably the best player in IPL last 3 years, could only transfer to a middling 2nd Bundesliga team.

Second, even if it's true that there are "talented" IPL players who stay in IPL instead of going to Europe solely for money, these players are surely getting called up to TM (think Jabbari, Nouri, etc other players who were maybe talented enough to go to Europe but never did) and they're still nowhere close to the quality of players like Zandi, Kia, Hashemian etc who had the talent and were selected to go to Europe.

And finally, these players all know that if they play even 2-3 seasons in Europe, their chances of making huge $ in an arab league increase.

So I don't know how much the IPL salaries have an effect on the decision to go to big European teams.

[mahestan]

I was telling you to be respectful to the discussion and answer my question. Talk however you like.

As for your answer, unless you work for the gov't, you are not paying an income tax. That's why I questioned how much you know about Iran, because you seem to not know how the tax system works.

As far as I know, they are not paying CQ and he is still owed money. Once they pay him I guess we will find out where it's coming from. But it is not from income tax, I can assure you that.

I agree that his salary is not coming from income tax. It is probably coming from other public funds, most likely from oil and gas sale revenue. I was attempting to make it clear why it is understandable and reasonable for people in Iran to ask how much CQ is getting paid. OP, ramingeles2000, said "mageh pooleh to hast" in his comment, and I wanted to prove a point that it technically is from public funds. I never asked how much CQ gets paid, and frankly, I don't really care how much he gets paid. I used the tax example to make my point.

[ramingeles2000]

Hoo boy, so much written and so much to refute.

Without getting into lengthy posts, I totally refute we have talent drought. The evidence is there in our youth and Omid teams as well as the youngsters in TM. Especially if we compare it to ASIAN standards. Unless in our zeal to defend CQ we suddenly put Brazil or Argentina as the standard. lol

I also disagree that it is easy for IRANIAN lads to go to Europe. We either talk about transfers in general or we talk about specific example of iran. One must be foolish or completely uninformed to think our case is similar to china's or Japan's.
On top of the general difficulties an Asian player faces in getting the transfer to Europe, places like Iran provide a whole new layer of difficulties and obstructions. Yes, political matters do have an impact. So do openness of the markets, copy rights issues, merchandizing prospects or lack of, wealth of the population, market maturity, language and cultural receptiveness, ... etc. Etc.

In other words, To say our lads stand EQUAL chance as if CQ's constant belittling and degrading of our people was not enough!!) just to support one individual. Whose aide are we on and who is the priority here?


I have tried to stay neutral and not jump at every opportunity to criticize CQ when there was reason to do so. But such sycophantic behavior and blind support is what makes one bring up every little screw up to show he's not such an untouchable God and he has many faults, mistakes, personality flaws, ...
Such inferiority complex towards a ''famous name'' is actually harmful.

I NEVER said that it's easy for Iranians to go to Europe. Don't twist what I said, it's shameful. You're setting up BS straw man arguments instead of responding to what I said. What I said is that it's as easy for Iranian players to transfer as it's ever been, and that it's surely no more difficult than it was 10 years ago when we have 8 players in top European leagues. I also NEVER compared Iranian players ability to go to europe with Chinese or Japanese. Where are you getting this?!

And you're saying that our performance at WC was the reason why more players didn't go to Europe??! are you serious? so you think it was our "epic performance" at WC2006 that allowed Nekounam, Shojaei and Ando to go to Europe right afterwards? Are you saying we had a better performance in WC2006? And you accuse other people of lacking reading comprehension??

[rugs]

Malyat bar daramad haji. I'm not going to share private information with you. And stop being sensitive, what's up with everyone on PFDC saying "be respectful" sheesh. No one is cursing at you or saying anything bad about your family.

You answer my question now, are they not using public funds to pay CQ's salary?

I was telling you to be respectful to the discussion and answer my question. Talk however you like.

As for your answer, unless you work for the gov't, you are not paying an income tax. That's why I questioned how much you know about Iran, because you seem to not know how the tax system works.

As far as I know, they are not paying CQ and he is still owed money. Once they pay him I guess we will find out where it's coming from. But it is not from income tax, I can assure you that.

[mahestan]

Be respectful and answer my questions first:

Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about?

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

Malyat bar daramad haji. I'm not going to share private information with you. And stop being sensitive, what's up with everyone on PFDC saying "be respectful" sheesh. No one is cursing at you or saying anything bad about your family.

You answer my question now, are they not using public funds to pay CQ's salary?

[rugs]

Answer this, are they using public funds to pay CQs salary?

Be respectful and answer my questions first:

Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about?

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

[rugs]

Everyone here is talking about "talent". Yes, we have talented players but so what? The structure and philosophy of our football is weak, hence even the most talented players don't grow and develop into top notch footballers. Our players lack discipline and don't fully understand the meaning of being a "professional footballer". Do you folks remember Karimi in BM? Yes, loads of talent, he lasted...what, was it 2 or 3 seasons with sporadic play time? In my opinion, our most successful players, those who are on par with the top layer of players in European leagues, were Daie, Hashemian, Nekoonam, and of course Mahdavikia - all the rest may have gotten their foot in the door but didn't have the mettle to remain as a long term fixture. Anyone remember the 2002 US WC team? Talk about mediocre talent. Yet, they managed to get themselves to the quarterfinals and barely lose to Germany 1-0. TALENT IS NOT ENOUGH!!!
I've always said, the most talented players I've played with were during my high school years in Iran but alas, talent only gets you so far, it discipline, work ethic and a clear strategy that'll allow you to succeed.

Finally someone hit the nail on the head.

We have potential talent, but no real talent as of yet.

You can't take a diamond out of the ground and put it on a ring. That diamond needs to be worked on and polished first.

These two are different:




Our biggest problem is management and football culture.

So long as we make celebrities out of lazy no talent players, the following generations will have no incentive to do anything different.

So long as bribes and kick backs are a part of our football, we will not see deserving players get their fair chance.

The only solution to our football is to privatize it all. We have fake managers playing with fake players and fake administrators playing with fake money. All of this in a fake league that cares more about covering up tattoos than combating corruption.



Finally, you cannot compare players like Daei, Nekounam, Hashemian, Mahdavikia and Karimi to players like Azmoun, JB, etc.... That is just ridiculous.

How many of these "talents" have people propped up over the years? Let me give you a list:

Nikbakht
Kazemian
Madanchi
Borhani
Majidi
Meydavoudi
Mobali
Sadeghian
Ansarifard
Entezari
Rafat
Oladi
Khalili
Norouzi (rip)


All these guys were supposed PGL "talent".....

In a few years we can add Alishah, Sharifi, Nariman Jahan and Taremi to the list unless some things really change.

[mahestan]

Here's what you said:



So I will ask again:

Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about?

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

Answer this, are they using public funds to pay CQs salary?

[rugs]

Here's what you said:

Do you comprehend English? Iranian tax payers are allowed to know how much their national football team coach is getting paid. Me paying taxes in US has nothing to do with it. If I'm an idiot, I rather be an idiot than a retard like yourself.

So I will ask again:

Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about?

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

[mahestan]

Lol, did he really say that?




Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about? It seems you don't know much about how the taxes work in Iran....

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

I did NOT say that. I said I pay taxes in the US, and I get to see how my tax dollars are spent in the US. Thus, people in Iran, who want to know how much CQ gets paid, have the right to know how much IFF pays the TM coach since public funds are paying his salary.

Edit: Here is the comment he is referring to:

http://www.persianfootball.com/forums/showthread.php?112776-TM-News&p=2330397&viewfull=1#post2330397

I do know how taxes work in Iran and how the bureaucracy in Iran works. Don't try to act like you are the know it all on all things Iranian.

[rugs]

In my 10 years here I've learned to detect idiots. I knew you were a part of the club when you said that CQs salary is your business because you pay taxes...especially considering you live in the US.

Lol, did he really say that?

Do you comprehend English? Iranian tax payers are allowed to know how much their national football team coach is getting paid. Me paying taxes in US has nothing to do with it. If I'm an idiot, I rather be an idiot than a retard like yourself.

Who are the "Iranian tax payers" you are talking about? It seems you don't know much about how the taxes work in Iran....

I'm curious, when have you yourself ever paid taxes in Iran and what was it for?

[mahestan]

Everyone here is talking about "talent". Yes, we have talented players but so what? The structure and philosophy of our football is weak, hence even the most talented players don't grow and develop into top notch footballers. Our players lack discipline and don't fully understand the meaning of being a "professional footballer". Do you folks remember Karimi in BM? Yes, loads of talent, he lasted...what, was it 2 or 3 seasons with sporadic play time? In my opinion, our most successful players, those who are on par with the top layer of players in European leagues, were Daie, Hashemian, Nekoonam, and of course Mahdavikia - all the rest may have gotten their foot in the door but didn't have the mettle to remain as a long term fixture. Anyone remember the 2002 US WC team? Talk about mediocre talent. Yet, they managed to get themselves to the quarterfinals and barely lose to Germany 1-0. TALENT IS NOT ENOUGH!!!
I've always said, the most talented players I've played with were during my high school years in Iran but alas, talent only gets you so far, it discipline, work ethic and a clear strategy that'll allow you to succeed.

Keywords are discipline, work ethic and clear strategy. I like the way you think.

[pas-bedeh]

Everyone here is talking about "talent". Yes, we have talented players but so what? The structure and philosophy of our football is weak, hence even the most talented players don't grow and develop into top notch footballers. Our players lack discipline and don't fully understand the meaning of being a "professional footballer". Do you folks remember Karimi in BM? Yes, loads of talent, he lasted...what, was it 2 or 3 seasons with sporadic play time? In my opinion, our most successful players, those who are on par with the top layer of players in European leagues, were Daie, Hashemian, Nekoonam, and of course Mahdavikia - all the rest may have gotten their foot in the door but didn't have the mettle to remain as a long term fixture. Anyone remember the 2002 US WC team? Talk about mediocre talent. Yet, they managed to get themselves to the quarterfinals and barely lose to Germany 1-0. TALENT IS NOT ENOUGH!!!
I've always said, the most talented players I've played with were during my high school years in Iran but alas, talent only gets you so far, it discipline, work ethic and a clear strategy that'll allow you to succeed.

[mahestan]

we have the most talent in all of asia, above both japan and korea. just look and see how good most children are in Iran, this is because of the gol koochik mentality engrained in our culture.

Do they still make the plastic balls for toop dolaye? I could go for a game of gol koochik right now. Oh the memories.

we have the most talent in all of asia, above both japan and korea. just look and see how good most children are in Iran, this is because of the gol koochik mentality engrained in our culture.