CQ Stats in Real Madrid vs other RM Coaches

[clipsport]

^ You are wrong. Like most real Iranians, I fully support TM. But it breaks my heart to see us lose to a weak team like Iraq in Asian Cup. It hurts to see TM become so defensive over the years that we have to park the bus against UAE and Qatar. I feel embarrassed.

If I support GN at SS it's because he's brought us 5 championships as a coach + many more as a player (I don't really remember those though). Otherwise if he's just getting paid and not delivering, then why should I support him or anyone else for that matter.

Trust me there is no conspiracy or agenda on my end to get GN to become TM coach.

[xerexes]

^ You are wrong. Like most real Iranians, I fully support TM. But it breaks my heart to see us lose to a weak team like Iraq in Asian Cup. It hurts to see TM become so defensive over the years that we have to park the bus against UAE and Qatar. I feel embarrassed.

Riiiight! The only way I would buy this is if you started watching TM during CQ's era with only some romantic notions of what we would have been like before he took over. That way it would at least be honest. Your buddy GN coached TM (probably before you were old enough to follow it) and he played defensively against one of the worst Korean teams of all time and crashed out of the Asian cup at the same stage as we did this time, and he wasn't even playing with ten men. And that was just the quarterfinal. In the group stage we had to come from behind to beat Uzbekistan, had to come from behind just to tie China, and struggled to beat mighty Malaysia 2-0 after they had conceded TEN goals in their first two games! Was this the attacking football you're dreaming about? Were you embarrassed then too?

Were you embarrassed when he placed Esteghlal 3rd out of 4 teams in the ACL group stage last year? Were you embarrassed when he got the team eliminated before the tournament even started because he didn't send the squad list on time?! THAT wasn't humiliating to you? Sure doesn't sound like it given how you've gone to every length to defend that stooge while going to the same lengths to bash the foreign coach he doesn't like.

How about the other coaches and this imaginary Jogo Bonito that you think we've lost? Were you embarrased during the 2010 WCQ when we got beat by Saudis in Tehran and needed Rahmati to play like Buffon just to save our ass against UAE? Were we playing "offensively" back when Rahmati ended up our MVP half the time?

We haven't qualified to the olympics or even made the final of the Asian Cup for 40 years and our best club teams get spanked by Uzbek and Qatari teams left and right, but you're "embarrassed" by a team that qualified to the world cup by winning the group for the first time since the revolution, has been ranked first in Asia for months despite pitiful support and infrastructure, and just beat Chile and came close to even defeating Argentina at the World Cup!

For your own sake I almost hope you have an agenda, because if anyone can actually be sincere about this stuff...

[clipsport]

^ All I can say is, get your facts right first then come back and we can talk.

[AminGP]

^ You are wrong. Like most real Iranians, I fully support TM. But it breaks my heart to see us lose to a weak team like Iraq in Asian Cup. It hurts to see TM become so defensive over the years that we have to park the bus against UAE and Qatar. I feel embarrassed.

It also breaks my heart when I see Esteghlal finishes last in their group in ACL. Last year. It also breaks my hear when I see PP, Foolad and Tractor do terribly in Asia.

Clipsort have you watched Atletico Madrid playing? Did you watch their game last night against Real Madrid. Iran plays a very similar game to Atletico Madrid. Carlos plays a very similar tactic as well.

Do you remember our first game against Lebanon and Qatar in WCQ? We were playing offensive the whole time but we failed to get the result. What CQ has realized is that sometimes even when you're playing against weaker teams, it's better to let your opponent have the ball so you have more space for attack. And it worked pretty well for him in the next round when we played them again.

[clipsport]

It also breaks my heart when I see Esteghlal finishes last in their group in ACL. Last year. It also breaks my hear when I see PP, Foolad and Tractor do terribly in Asia.

Clipsort have you watched Atletico Madrid playing? Did you watch their game last night against Real Madrid. Iran plays a very similar game to Atletico Madrid. Carlos plays a very similar tactic as well.

Do you remember our first game against Lebanon and Qatar in WCQ? We were playing offensive the whole time but we failed to get the result. What CQ has realized is that sometimes even when you're playing against weaker teams, it's better to let your opponent have the ball so you have more space for attack. And it worked pretty well for him in the next round when we played them again.

Actually I don't remember it working for us that well.
We played attacking against Qatar in Dejagah's debut match. That was good attractive football. What we are capable of. Sure it ended 2-2 but lets be honest we were much better, and it seemed like the players didn't really care towards the end as Iran had already qualified.

Then in the next round we played Qatar again. 0-0 then 1-0. I also remember losing to Uzbekistan and Lebanon. Let's not fool ourselves. If it wasn't for 2 ref mistakes against Uzbekistan and Qatar we would have never gone to the wc in the first place.

Parking the bus is not something that CQ concluded we should do b/c he was worried about not getting results. It is his coaching philosophy. He did the same thing in Portugal when he was the head coach. And the Portuguese fans were very unhappy about it. You can go to Big Soccer's archives and look it up if you don't believe me. Even players like Ronaldo were unhappy with the approach.

If we are Asia's #1 team then we should be able to dominate teams like Qatar and UAE. Did you see what Sweden did to us in the 1st half. You could feel it. Why can't we do that to a crappy team like Qatar who lost all 3 of their group stage matches in Asian Cup. (4-1, 1-0, 2-1). UAE scores 4 times on Qatar and we only score once on a moment of individual brilliance by Azmoun. And the win against UAE (that match could have very easily ended up 0-0).

I expected more from TM when CQ became in charge. This bus tactic appoach is unattractive and doesn't really produce results (and yes by results I'm referring to the score sheet - the thing that actually matters).

[xerexes]

^ All I can say is, get your facts right first then come back and we can talk.

Which one of those weren't facts? Go ahead and point them out. Or just do what you usually do and lay low for a couple of days then do this all over again in a different thread as if this never happened.

[clipsport]

TM record under CQ before Bus tactics
9 wins, 4 draws, 0 losses (granted we played a lot of weaker teams here)

Was there really a need to change TM's tactical philosophy? Have we gotten so much better since?

I always remember TM being better when we had an offensive (or at least balanced) approach.

[Kiarash]

TM record under CQ before Bus tactics
9 wins, 4 draws, 0 losses (granted we played a lot of weaker teams here)

Was there really a need to change TM's tactical philosophy? Have we gotten so much better since?

I always remember TM being better when we had an offensive (or at least balanced) approach.

World Cup 2010 under Daei and Ghotbi: not qualified.
World Cup 2014 under Queiroz: qualified.

We have gotten better since, to answer your question.

Do you even clipsport?

[AminGP]

Then in the next round we played Qatar again. 0-0 then 1-0. I also remember losing to Uzbekistan and Lebanon. Let's not fool ourselves. If it wasn't for 2 ref mistakes against Uzbekistan and Qatar we would have never gone to the wc in the first place.

We played offensive for 90 minutes in Azadi and we only produced 1 chance where Neku shot hit the post. Let's also not fool ourselves that the ref made a mistake against our game in Azadi as well so we are even with them.

Parking the bus is not something that CQ concluded we should do b/c he was worried about not getting results.

I think we all have been over this. Against UAE, Qatar or Bahrain we simply closed all the gaps and we were pressing hard in our field. They had the possession for most of the game yes, but who created the most chances? Iran. Who won the game? Iran. That's all it matters

There are bigger teams than Iran that are using the same tactic and no one is complaining about them. Atletico, Chelsea, Italy, Milan etc...

yes by results I'm referring to the score sheet - the thing that actually matters).

The thing that actually matters is the 3 points and NOT the score sheet. Spain in 2010 won all of their games 1-0 and won the cup.

[xerexes]

Was there really a need to change TM's tactical philosophy? Have we gotten so much better since?

Have we gotten "better"?... We only went from a team that hadn't been ranked first in Asia in years to being ranked first for practically a whole year, ahead of teams whose budget and infrastructure dwarf ours. We won our WCQ group and beat Chile and almost beat Argentina at a time when our best clubs look like minnows against Uzbek and Qatari sides. Is that "better" enough? Or were we supposed to make the quarterfinals of the World Cup when our best clubs can barely make it out of the ACL group stage?

I always remember TM being better when we had an offensive (or at least balanced) approach.

You have no idea what you're talking about and you're hiding behind this generic nonsense just to say something. "Being better"? How exactly? By advancing to the World Cup as the first team in the group? By beating Korea home and away? By beating Chile? By winning universal praise for coming closest to beating Argentina than any team other than Germany?

And where was this "offensive" football under your hero GN? (go ahead and pretend you don't like him after you've grasped at every straw to defend him)... Was it when we barely beat Malaysia? Was it when we had to bust our a$$ just to tie China? Was it when we lost to the sorriest Korean side in years? or maybe when Esteghlal placed 3rd out of 4 teams in ACL last year?

[clipsport]

Riiiight! The only I would buy this is if you started watching TM during CQ's era with only some romantic notions of what we would have been like before he took over. That way it would at least be honest. Your buddy GN coached TM (probably before you were old enough to follow it) and he played defensively against one of the worst Korean teams of all time and crashed out of the Asian cup at the same stage as we did this time, and he wasn't even playing with ten men. And that was just the quarterfinal. In the group stage we had to come from behind to beat Uzbekistan, had to come from behind just to tie China, and struggled to beat mighty Malaysia 2-0 after they had conceded TEN goals in their first two games! Was this the attacking football you're dreaming about? Were you embarrassed then too?

Were you embarrassed when he placed Esteghlal 3rd out of 4 teams in the ACL group stage last year? Were you embarrassed when he got the team eliminated before the tournament even started because he didn't send the squad list on time?! THAT wasn't humiliating to you? Sure doesn't sound like it given how you've gone to every length to defend that stooge while going to the same lengths to bash the foreign coach he doesn't like.

How about the other coaches and this imaginary Jogo Bonito that you think we've lost? Were you embarrased during the 2010 WCQ when we got beat by Saudis in Tehran and needed Rahmati to play like Buffon just to save our ass against UAE? Were we playing "offensively" back when Rahmati ended up our MVP half the time?

We haven't qualified to the olympics or even made the final of the Asian Cup for 40 years and our best club teams get spanked by Uzbek and Qatari teams left and right, but you're "embarrassed" by a team that qualified to the world cup by winning the group for the first time since the revolution, has been ranked first in Asia for months despite pitiful support and infrastructure, and just beat Chile and came close to even defeating Argentina at the World Cup!

For your own sake I almost hope you have an agenda, because if anyone can actually be sincere about this stuff...

Your buddy GN

GN is not my buddy, I’ve never even met the guy.

(probably before you were old enough to follow it)

Wrong

and he played defensively against one of the worst Korean teams of all time and crashed out of the Asian cup at the same stage as we did this time

Korea went on to finish 3rd by beating Japan. 7 of the starters against Iran went to WC10 and did very well.
Also, I don’t remember playing defensive (at least in terms of what CQ calls defensive). Korea didn’t really pose such a great danger to us. We had more chances for sure.

he played defensively against one of the worst Korean teams of all time and crashed out of the Asian cup at the same stage as we did this time

Funny how you use the word “he” when referring to the 2007 TM, but “we” for the 2015 TM. Speaks volumes.

struggled to beat mighty Malaysia 2-0

I don’t remember TM struggling to beat Malaysia. What I do remember is Malaysia parking the bus b/c they had knew if they played real football what would have happened. We also didn’t score a lot of goals that game.

Were you embarrassed when he got the team eliminated before the tournament even started because he didn't send the squad list on time?! THAT wasn't humiliating to you? Sure doesn't sound like it given how you've gone to every length to defend that stooge while going to the same lengths to bash the foreign coach he doesn't like.

This is so wrong, I don’t even know where to begin.

1) GN wasn’t even in SS when that happened.
2) even if he was…..forget it.

[rugs]

Wrong.

Easily one of the most embarrassing moments in all of Iranian Football.

[clipsport]

Wrong.

Easily one of the most embarrassing moments in all of Iranian Football.

Perfect example of Navad (and media) propaganda against GN.
SS was eliminated for 2007 AFC champions league. GN had just gotten fired from TM. Samad Marfavi was head coach that season. GN didn't return to SS until May 2008.

So actually you're wrong. Get your facts right.
راه یکی است و آن راستی است lol

[Martin-Reza]

^ you better get your facts straight, GN was sporting director and responsible for sending the roster list and failed to do so. Noone claimed he was the coach, who wouldn't be responsible for such administrative action anyhow.

[xerexes]

GN is not my buddy, I’ve never even met the guy.

LOL. Yeah because that's what I meant!

Wrong
Korea went on to finish 3rd by beating Japan. 7 of the starters against Iran went to WC10 and did very well.

We didn't play them in 2010! We played them in 2007, in a cup where they had already lost to Bahrain and barely beat Indonesia 1-0. The AC 2007 Korean team was undoubtedly one of their weakest sides ever, regardless of what happened three years later.

I don’t remember TM struggling to beat Malaysia. What I do remember is Malaysia parking the bus b/c they had knew if they played real football what would have happened. We also didn’t score a lot of goals that game.

Bottom line: You're pretending to be a fan of "offensive" football yet you support a coach under whom TM couldn't put more than two past Malaysia and had to come from behind just to tie China.

This is so wrong, I don’t even know where to begin.
1) GN wasn’t even in SS when that happened.
2) even if he was…..forget it.

"Even if he was"? The moron got the team eliminated from ACL before it even began! You're talking about embarrassment and this is the guy you've been supporting! Like I said, I actually hope you have an agenda. Otherwise the stuff you post defies belief.