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  • Bi-honar
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    Originally posted by K. Nader View Post
    The problem here is defining success from the perspective of a fan. Often, we look for a scapegoat in Team Melli and that often ends up being the coach. With CQ, I am confident that we can qualify for the 2018 World Cup (the first successive WC qualification) but then what?

    This team will go to the World Cup and will (likely) be eliminated in the group stage once again. Here's where the problem lies - the scapegoat of our inability to get past the first round will become CQ because in 2018, people will not look back to 2015 and realize that CQ said we need to start laying the foundation for success RIGHT NOW. When CQ speaks of these camps, friendlies, and facilities, it's not so that Iran can qualify for the World Cup; it's so that Iran can be successful AT the World Cup.

    If you remember CQ's interview from March 2014, while he was talking about our lack of preparations, they were showing clips and pictures of the Korea match nearly 9 months earlier. When CQ asks "what are your expectations", this is what he's eluding to. You can't want WC success and do nothing to attain it.
    Agree with you completely. IFF needs to set some goals and make some commitments here for us to be successful in 4 years' time. And I have no issues with CQ defining that blueprint for success and as the manager of TM, he should.

    But if the current problems aren't really going to hamper our chances in the 1st round of WCQ, should we expect them to be resolved tomorrow or can we give IFF some time, keep the steady pressure for change and have some patience for seeing change happen more gradually?

    Without a doubt the government's operational budget is going to improve significantly in the next year or so as a result of the nuclear negotiations and I'm sure that will have s trickle down effect to all organizations including IFF. This new contract with Beswick Sports could potentially be a gold mine for IFF as far as revenues as well, but both of these will take time.

    So I guess my question is does CQ really need to jeopardize or reconsider his position as manager of TM at this point in time (which would be a disaster for TM no matter how you look at it) to force these changes right away, or he can just let the rice soak in water for the, as we say in Persian, for the next few months?

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  • Bi-honar
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    Originally posted by AminGP View Post
    Yes he knows but things were suppose to change after he extended his contract. He agreed to continue if IFF would improve TM's camp and etc.. but they haven't.

    Afazeli came and also said that CQ knew that this is the way things are in Iran. This is a terrible thing to say cause it seems like they don't want the way things to change. This is a terrible Iranian mentality to say "Oh but you knew things were like this before you got into a contract". Just because coaches in Iran are use to get things done in a certain way it doesn't mean it's a right way and we should continue to do it.

    We keep saying CQ hasn't done anything in Iran but they don't see him standing up to IFF to finally make these improvements and make some change in the way things are done.
    I'm not a fan of Afazeli at all and agree with what you're saying in the 2nd paragraph.

    I'm all for CQ standing up to IFF as well, but for that he has to be committed to the job. Simply giving up and saying things aren't going to change and we're not going to be successful because of that, isn't really the blueprint of success for TM. I'm all for campaigning for change and I think everyone (including TM players) should help him with that like they did in the past few weeks and in the long term it will be a lot more effective than these type of interviews. But campaigning for change and giving up on change are two different things though.

    As far as the 1st paragraph, we obviously don't know the details of the contract. If IFF committed to fixing the TM camp in the contract, he would have a legitimate case for breaching his contract without any penalties. The fact that he hasn't, suggests to me that IFF did not commit to that in the contract (not that they shouldn't). I think both parties need to come clean on this, rather than keeping the fans guessing.

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  • AminGP
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    Originally posted by clipsport View Post
    According to this: http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=14349
    CQ basically says he's not leaving, but given the circumstances he's not going to promise any success in the future. So basically more excuses.
    How do you guys expect CQ to make huge impact on our football when IFF is not willing to change and help? CQ is the only one who's standing up to IFF and fighting for our football. If he doesn't we continue to have this terrible camp, continue to have terrible friendly etc...

    and then people like yourself come and say "Oh but at the time of ghalenoi, mayeli, daie things were also like this in our football". Exactly things were done exactly the same way for more than 20 years and no one is willing to make any changes. CQ wants the best for our football. He wants the best training camps, fields, kits, hotels, airlines for our players and our team. We are Iran for godsake and our players deserve that.

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  • Kiarash
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    CQ press conference

    I like K.Nader's analysis, I am afraid for the same scenario happening all over again if IFF can't provide the needed funds and facilities for a good preparation for the World Cup to get past the groupstage.

    And like he said, the blame will be put on CQ again when we get eliminated in the groupstage.

    So now I totally understand CQ's concerns.

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  • clipsport
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    According to this: http://footballitarin.com/video_page.php?id=14349
    CQ basically says he's not leaving, but given the circumstances he's not going to promise any success in the future. So basically more excuses.

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  • K. Nader
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    Originally posted by Bi-honar View Post
    I don't think anyone has any doubts about the financial or management problems in IFF or more generally in the country. CQ has been working there for 4 years now and he knows the limitations as well as anyone else, if not better. He also knows the pace of progress (if any) has been and will be super slow.

    We all want things to change for the better and it would be GREAT if these things could change overnight. But anyone who knows how things operate in Iran should know that this will not happen, not at the pace that we or CQ are expecting anyway (that's if it ever happens).

    The only question for TM fans at this point should be whether CQ can stay and work with these limitations and be successful. If it's no, we don't really have time to putz around for another two months and the IFF is responsible for finding a resolution to this ASAP. That's my issue as far as IFF is concerned.

    If yes, then CQ has to be committed to doing his job regardless of these issues. If he wants to campaign for change once he has committed to staying and as the person in charge of TM, then all the power to him. It's the ambivalence about the job that's an issue for me personally as far as CQ is concerned.

    I want IFF to give him all the support that he needs as much as anyone else, but if they're unwilling or unable to provide it, they can't just keep the guy when he doesn't think he will be successful under these circumstances. We can't just set the guy up for failure and keep him hostage over $600k in damages.

    For the sake of TM, both parties need to find a resolution to this and do it fast. How hard is it to set up a donation mechanism for fans to pitch in $10 or more to fix TM's training facilities or find a sponsor and name the training grounds after them?!

    I really don't blame CQ for being frustrated but being frustrated isn't going to solve any of our problems.
    The problem here is defining success from the perspective of a fan. Often, we look for a scapegoat in Team Melli and that often ends up being the coach. With CQ, I am confident that we can qualify for the 2018 World Cup (the first successive WC qualification) but then what?

    This team will go to the World Cup and will (likely) be eliminated in the group stage once again. Here's where the problem lies - the scapegoat of our inability to get past the first round will become CQ because in 2018, people will not look back to 2015 and realize that CQ said we need to start laying the foundation for success RIGHT NOW. When CQ speaks of these camps, friendlies, and facilities, it's not so that Iran can qualify for the World Cup; it's so that Iran can be successful AT the World Cup.

    If you remember CQ's interview from March 2014, while he was talking about our lack of preparations, they were showing clips and pictures of the Korea match nearly 9 months earlier. When CQ asks "what are your expectations", this is what he's eluding to. You can't want WC success and do nothing to attain it.

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  • ehsan singapore
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    i believe is abit of disagrement, however i think they can solve it

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  • AminGP
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    Originally posted by Bi-honar View Post
    I don't think anyone has any doubts about the financial or management problems in IFF or more generally in the country. CQ has been working there for 4 years now and he knows the limitations as well as anyone else, if not better. He also knows the pace of progress (if any) has been and will be super slow.
    Yes he knows but things were suppose to change after he extended his contract. He agreed to continue if IFF would improve TM's camp and etc.. but they haven't.

    Afazeli came and also said that CQ knew that this is the way things are in Iran. This is a terrible thing to say cause it seems like they don't want the way things to change. This is a terrible Iranian mentality to say "Oh but you knew things were like this before you got into a contract". Just because coaches in Iran are use to get things done in a certain way it doesn't mean it's a right way and we should continue to do it.

    We keep saying CQ hasn't done anything in Iran but they don't see him standing up to IFF to finally make these improvements and make some change in the way things are done.

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  • AminGP
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    Originally posted by clipsport View Post
    Hooman Afazeli said it best. When CQ extended his contract after the WC, he was completely aware of all these issues. So if he thought that he cannot continue, he shouldn't have extended.

    CQ is not going anywhere ($$$$). He is just making excuses and playing mind games (as he always does) so he can cover for himself in a scenario where TM doesn't produce results. And the media is helping him do this.
    When he extended his contract, IFF promised him that they will resolve these issues and they didn't and that's why he's upset. Yes he was aware it the first time he signed the contract but the second time they haven't fulfilled it.

    for example they promised him that they will fix the camp and they still haven't when they were suppose to.

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  • clipsport
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    Hooman Afazeli said it best. When CQ extended his contract after the WC, he was completely aware of all these issues. So if he thought that he cannot continue, he shouldn't have extended.

    CQ is not going anywhere ($$$$). He is just making excuses and playing mind games (as he always does) so he can cover for himself in a scenario where TM doesn't produce results. And the media is helping him do this.

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  • football.club
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    CQ wants a new trainingpitch, new shirt manufacturer and camps (with high quality games). IFF must provide these facilities, its an important investment for TM!! and these things will remain for many years.

    But at the same time he is eager to stay because he knows that he wont get a salary like this anywhere else. Just look at the statistics, according to several newspapers he was paid much more than many other coaches at the world cup

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  • Bi-honar
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    I don't think anyone has any doubts about the financial or management problems in IFF or more generally in the country. CQ has been working there for 4 years now and he knows the limitations as well as anyone else, if not better. He also knows the pace of progress (if any) has been and will be super slow.

    We all want things to change for the better and it would be GREAT if these things could change overnight. But anyone who knows how things operate in Iran should know that this will not happen, not at the pace that we or CQ are expecting anyway (that's if it ever happens).

    The only question for TM fans at this point should be whether CQ can stay and work with these limitations and be successful. If it's no, we don't really have time to putz around for another two months and the IFF is responsible for finding a resolution to this ASAP. That's my issue as far as IFF is concerned.

    If yes, then CQ has to be committed to doing his job regardless of these issues. If he wants to campaign for change once he has committed to staying and as the person in charge of TM, then all the power to him. It's the ambivalence about the job that's an issue for me personally as far as CQ is concerned.

    I want IFF to give him all the support that he needs as much as anyone else, but if they're unwilling or unable to provide it, they can't just keep the guy when he doesn't think he will be successful under these circumstances. We can't just set the guy up for failure and keep him hostage over $600k in damages.

    For the sake of TM, both parties need to find a resolution to this and do it fast. How hard is it to set up a donation mechanism for fans to pitch in $10 or more to fix TM's training facilities or find a sponsor and name the training grounds after them?!

    I really don't blame CQ for being frustrated but being frustrated isn't going to solve any of our problems.

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  • Nokhodi
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    Originally posted by Abtin View Post
    of all human beings, he's the only one in the world you can never trust...
    Kaffashian himself doesn't know what's going on. He's a middle man to a middle man.

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  • AminGP
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    Originally posted by rugs View Post
    My suggestion to anyone who doubts how screwed up Iran is, is to go and try to accomplish any simple thing with any gov't agency, like getting a driver's license, and report back on their experience. Only then will they realize how f'd up everything is.
    Even easier, go to Iranian Embassy website of DC and download and try to fill out a form for your passport renewal or apply for a Shenasnameh and see how screwed up the form is. The amount of unnecessary questions and documents they ask you is insane. I lost my passport and didn't know when was the last time that I flew from Iran and I had to send someone in Iran to go and figure it out. They still don't have these important data saved in a computer and you still have to go to the actual office in Iran.

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  • Kiarash
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    CQ press conference

    Baz dovare shoroo shod...

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