CQ debate: Mayeli kohan, Azizi and Javadi[video]

[Z Joon]

The only reason why CQ stayed so long and wants to continue is because Iran has talents. He obviously sees we have a lot of potential, otherwise why would a man of his caliber choose to deal with these bunch of incompetent idiots? It's an insult to his pride & career, but he does it because he feels he can achieve something big with TM.

Exactly. Thanks PK jan

[Nariman]

The only reason why CQ stayed so long and wants to continue is because Iran has talents. He obviously sees we have a lot of potential, otherwise why would a man of his caliber choose to deal with these bunch of incompetent idiots? It's an insult to his pride & career, but he does it because he feels he can achieve something big with TM.

Back to topic:
We need to stop bashing MK. I am not a fan either, but this guy has harmful mental issues and I don't know why no one cares about this? This is getting out of hand! Instead of offering MK serious help, they give him the opportunity to pop up in every TV show so he can humiliate himself in public. As much as we might dislike him, it's not fair to play with the reputation/image of a man like that.


Some points about Azizi:

- Ghalenoei earns a lot of money as well, more than he deserves - but since he is Iranian (on paper)

[Bi-honar]

well if we take FIFA as the gold standard in data i hope that is okay with you, they have iran at 36 in the world. and 5th in Asia. Korea, Japan, Saudi, China than iran as the best leagues.

http://www.iffhs.de/the-strongest-na...-of-the-world/

Well, I asked for your opinion so if you like the IFFHS ranking (that's NOT a FIFA ranking) that's fine.

I personally wouldn't rank the J-league above Iran as their teams have consistently underperformed in the ACL in that past 5 years and 3 out of 4 of them are ranked at the the bottom of their respective groups this year as well. It's pretty close between the IPL and the other 4 leagues as far as I'm concerned (overall ranking).

But this takes everything (budget, infrastructure, etc.) into account, not just talent. Surely you'd agree that other than talent, every other aspect of our football program is a downer and significantly reducing our ranking.

[Z Joon]

It's funny how you roll your eyes when you're wrong. That is not FIFA's list.
I'd say that rankings are pretty much right, except that i'd definately put Iran above China, and maybe above Japan.

Yup, except for the fact that China (and arguably Saudi Arabia) is in front of Iran I also agree with the list.

[Camran khan]

well if we take FIFA as the gold standard in data i hope that is okay with you, they have iran at 36 in the world. and 5th in Asia. Korea, Japan, Saudi, China than iran as the best leagues.

http://www.iffhs.de/the-strongest-na...-of-the-world/

It's funny how you roll your eyes when you're wrong. That is not FIFA's list.
I'd say that rankings are pretty much right, except that i'd definately put Iran above China, and maybe above Japan.

[Z Joon]

well if we take FIFA as the gold standard in data i hope that is okay with you, they have iran at 36 in the world. and 5th in Asia. Korea, Japan, Saudi, China than iran as the best leagues.

http://www.iffhs.de/the-strongest-na...-of-the-world/

Well that's pretty good actually. Better than the MLS, Swedish league, Polish league etc... I would say it's a fair assessment if we measure the league as a whole, taking into consideration that our league isn't as good as it should be because of the corruption, lack of infrastructure, big signings etc... However speaking about domestic talent, we are definitely a top 2-3 in Asia.

[Bi-honar]

Politically U.S and Russia were first world, Industrial European countries the second and the rest of the countries were third world.. I think only China has moved up and we're still among other shithole places..

That's incorrect. The cold-war era definition was based on alignment with NATO (1st), Eastern block (2nd) and non-aligned (3rd World). That definition is archaic and han't been used for ages.

Any post cold-war definition is generally in reference to under-developed nations with developing nations being 2nd world and developed nations being 1st (that development can be industrialization or human development as measured by the HDI).

As I said, the only reason Iran is currently somewhere between 1 & 2 is IR's economic isolation and foreign/domestic policies, otherwise we would be in the G20 and have a high enough HDI to be in the most developed nations.

[persian-eagle-13]

IMHO, it is one of the top 3 leagues in Asia and it's in the top 20-25 leagues in the world. If you don't agree with that, by all means provide your own fair assessment between 1 and 208 for the world and 1 to 46 in Asia.

well if we take FIFA as the gold standard in data i hope that is okay with you, they have iran at 36 in the world. and 5th in Asia. Korea, Japan, Saudi, China than iran as the best leagues.

http://www.iffhs.de/the-strongest-national-league-of-the-world/

[Bi-honar]

Maybe you should as well.

But let me ask you, have you ever worked in Iran or lived there as an adult? I'm not talking about vacations etc.. I mean that Iran was your only residence and you were employed full time.

First of all, I wouldn't tell someone to look up the definition of something if I wasn't sure about it. Maybe you should do the same.

Secondly, what's the relevance of me having worked in Iran as an adult to Iran being a 3rd world country or not?! My working there or not (or you having worked as an adult in Yemen or not) does not change the definition of what a 3rd World country is - it's not a subjective term.

[Go_Daei]

Politically U.S and Russia were first world, Industrial European countries the second and the rest of the countries were third world.. I think only China has moved up and we're still among other shithole places..

Iran is a not a 3rd world country and never was by any definition other than perhaps a categorization that uses only press freedoms. I suggest you look up the meaning of the 3rd World. Beside that, the only reason we're not currently in the G20 even with the IR in place is their foreign policies.

The rest of your post didn't have anything to do with my post.




There's a HUGE grey area between we have no talent and we have so much talent we don't know what to do with, isn't there?!

That's the problem with some of the arguments you guys put forth - everything has to either be one extreme or the other, so there's often no objective look at where we truly stand.

No, IPL is not the greatest league in the world or in the top 10. But it's not the shittiest league in the world or in the bottom 10 either.

IMHO, it is one of the top 3 leagues in Asia and it's in the top 20-25 leagues in the world. If you don't agree with that, by all means provide your own fair assessment between 1 and 208 for the world and 1 to 46 in Asia.