Iran was robbed, but can keep their heads high

[Epitome]

This was the first time in my life I didnt watch a single TM game. I wasnt hoping they'd lose and I'd never wish for that. No matter how much akhoond tries to claim TM as their own, it'll always belong to Iran and Iranians.

I just cant ignore that thousands of my hamvatans were slaughtered and have been lying beneath khake sard for months now.

I just dont have it in me to care about anything right now. At this point, the game, the team... none of it feels important anymore.
Ye chizi toye man mordeh.

[webmaster]

I'm responding to whoever addresses me directly, they looking to make a football discussion political, I am not.

So please get out of this threads that are political. I can bring you many posts that you quoted other without even mentioning you so stop this endless arguments and respectfully leave this thread and go talk football somewhere else as you are more political than everyone here and posting actually nothing in regards to football. Consider this a friendly warning.

[Keano]

with all due respect, none of these statements by the players support the idea that they're pro-regime, or that they're sympathetic to the regime. these 2 statements are pretty neutral.

i have no doubt that 2-3 (maybe even 5-6) of TM's players come from more conservative backgrounds and/or are pro regime. shojah's comments were pretty clear...no debate there. i also agree that these players had the opportunity to use their platform to make a powerful stand...and that sure, some of them selfishly chose their careers and comfort instead of committing career suicide / putting themselves at risk. It's funny that people portray sardar as a hero when he was omitted for his UAE photo...his comments in support of the people on social media were echoed by many other members of the team, who were allowed to play and who fans/pahlavists give no credit to.

I truly believe that the anti-TM inferno, which started during the mahsa protests, is largely a result of an organized information warfare campaign, propagated by foreign actors, opposition groups, and ESPECIALLY that foul shamless Saudi propaganda channel Iran International. They've been spewing so much baseless, absurd anti-TM talking points and propaganda that it's hard for anyone watching not to fall into it....just look at International/pahlavist twitter's ABSURD, bad faith lie that mohebbi's gun celebration was a threat against fans in the stadium(and the fact that many javgeer Iranians fell for it) as one small example of the coordinated, organized, bad faith campaign against this team...btw, if you bought this lie, you're naive and part of the problem (no offense)

It's the same old playbook they've always used against us: our emotions. They're using our grievances and sadness and hatred toward the regime - all of our emotions - to manipulate us into turning against one another and destroying one of our historic pillars of unity (team melli).

if you'd like, ignore all the noise and just focus on the outcomes:

1) team melli has effectively become an ENORMOUS divide between iranians, a divide that's fully on display at the world's biggest sporting event, covered by all major media etc.

2) iranians are literally physically attacking one another

3) the diaspora - instead of uniting and rallying against the regime, are as dysfunctional as ever, and TM has become the most recent (and a very powerful) cause of that division

I always asked myself how it was possible that iranians, in 1978, all collectively lost their minds and destroyed the beautiful iran that Mohammad Reza Pahlavi had built...but throughout this world cup, it became obvious to me as I saw the power of propaganda applied against an emotional people like us

Show me one single Mohebbi goal celebration with gun gesture prior to this one. I promise you can't find one, because there is none. Too much of a coincidence that all of a sudden he decided to be cute like that!

[webmaster]

To sycho67:

here these members had posted nothing about you but their opinions, yet you started to pop up and quoted their posts and responded for no reason, so you are irritating people.

https://www.persianfootball.com/forums/forum/football-forums/persian-football-discussion-community/3835126-iran-was-robbed-but-can-keep-their-heads-high?p=3835138#post3835138

https://www.persianfootball.com/forums/forum/football-forums/persian-football-discussion-community/3835126-iran-was-robbed-but-can-keep-their-heads-high?p=3835207#post3835207

[Epitome]

with all due respect, none of these statements by the players support the idea that they're pro-regime, or that they're sympathetic to the regime. these 2 statements are pretty neutral.

i have no doubt that 2-3 (maybe even 5-6) of TM's players come from more conservative backgrounds and/or are pro regime. shojah's comments were pretty clear...no debate there. i also agree that these players had the opportunity to use their platform to make a powerful stand...and that sure, some of them selfishly chose their careers and comfort instead of committing career suicide / putting themselves at risk. It's funny that people portray sardar as a hero when he was omitted for his UAE photo...his comments in support of the people on social media were echoed by many other members of the team, who were allowed to play and who fans/pahlavists give no credit to.

I truly believe that the anti-TM inferno, which started during the mahsa protests, is largely a result of an organized information warfare campaign, propagated by foreign actors, opposition groups, and ESPECIALLY that foul shamless Saudi propaganda channel Iran International. They've been spewing so much baseless, absurd anti-TM talking points and propaganda that it's hard for anyone watching not to fall into it....just look at International/pahlavist twitter's ABSURD, bad faith lie that mohebbi's gun celebration was a threat against fans in the stadium(and the fact that many javgeer Iranians fell for it) as one small example of the coordinated, organized, bad faith campaign against this team...btw, if you bought this lie, you're naive and part of the problem (no offense)

It's the same old playbook they've always used against us: our emotions. They're using our grievances and sadness and hatred toward the regime - all of our emotions - to manipulate us into turning against one another and destroying one of our historic pillars of unity (team melli).

if you'd like, ignore all the noise and just focus on the outcomes:

1) team melli has effectively become an ENORMOUS divide between iranians, a divide that's fully on display at the world's biggest sporting event, covered by all major media etc.

2) iranians are literally physically attacking one another

3) the diaspora - instead of uniting and rallying against the regime, are as dysfunctional as ever, and TM has become the most recent (and a very powerful) cause of that division

I always asked myself how it was possible that iranians, in 1978, all collectively lost their minds and destroyed the beautiful iran that Mohammad Reza Pahlavi had built...but throughout this world cup, it became obvious to me as I saw the power of propaganda applied against an emotional people like us

So everyone is to blame even the diaspora (IR keeps throwing that word around lately)when in reality if there's any division it's one the IR created and continues to fuel.

For the record Im neither a monarchist nor do I watch Iran International, don't know about you but the only thing that had any real impact on me was this:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUK7VUckasu

[sycho67]

To sycho67:

here these members had posted nothing about you but their opinions, yet you started to pop up and quoted their posts and responded for no reason, so you are irritating people.

https://www.persianfootball.com/forums/forum/football-forums/persian-football-discussion-community/3835126-iran-was-robbed-but-can-keep-their-heads-high?p=3835138#post3835138

https://www.persianfootball.com/forums/forum/football-forums/persian-football-discussion-community/3835126-iran-was-robbed-but-can-keep-their-heads-high?p=3835207#post3835207

I think you do not realize that I am the one who opened this thread. I spoke of football and of TM's treatment by the hosts during this tournament.

You and a few others are the ones who responded to me with politics talking about IR etc.

So no, I did not pop out of nowhere, I expressed myself, and was responded to.

If that bothers or irritates you or others, that means freedom of speech does not apply equally to each of us.

[webmaster]

^ you actually called some one needing their pill and that is irritating and insulting people. just because you opened this thread does not automatically give you the right to insult anyone, Now, go somewhere and talk about football. I gave you a friendly warning, so this is the last time.

And what the F has freedom of speech h has to do here??? this is not a country or democracy so Jamesh kon or jamesh mikonam, enough is enough.

[sycho67]

^ you actually called some one needing their pill and that is irritating and insulting people. just because you opened this thread does not automatically give you the right to insult anyone, Now, go somewhere and talk about football. I gave you a friendly warning, so this is the last time.

And what the F has freedom of speech h has to do here??? this is not a country or democracy so Jamesh kon or jamesh mikonam, enough is enough.

Did you not read what he was writing me ? "f you" etc ? so he gets a pass for insulting me but I get scolded for responding to him, ok got it, as you said it's not a democracy here, it's politically charged and biased.

There was a lot more solidarity on this site back in 2006, 2010, or 2014, 2015... seems like things have taken a turn for the worse.

[webmaster]

^ yes things have changed so you are banned for 7 days, next time it will be permanent. You love to argue but I have no time for this sht.

[Afat11]

^ yes things have changed so you are banned for 7 days, next time it will be permanent. You love to argue but I have no time for this sht.

I really don't understand what some posters are trying to accomplish. They came crying that we shouldn't shame them for enjoying some football, and now the football is done. Another IR failure to add to the list for 47 years. Why are they still crying? It seems they were all thrashing about since they sold out their morality to care about a stupid game where a bunch of losers did what they do best, lose. These guys weren't posting until the days in advance of WC and the only thing they came to say was "don't insult me that I support the team". It's telling that our generalized comments about immoral people give them such a harsh need to defend themselves, it really speaks volumes.

Their anger is palpable, like Sam Van Dam's insane post. They are projecting the anger they likely feel for themselves being such vatan foroush and telling us all to just ignore the IR damage so they can enjoy some football. Now they are disappointed their weak team repping a weak regime is humiliated again, but projecting their anger onto you.

If others want to come yell at the webmaster because he held a forum open for us for 20+ years and he is saying don't be an apologist for the regime and you're fine, then what else do you want? It was quite peaceful here since January as many of us were talking about how important and pivotal this moment is in Iranian history. People disagreed, not many were banned, but all of a sudden in the couple of weeks before the World Cup, everyone who was missing for years came back to complain that the forum got political.

It was one of the only places many Iranians congregate and can talk about important topics. There is no PersianPolitics forum as far as I'm aware, and webmaster gives us a platform to discuss all things Iranian. I think the people coming with venom and calling us all evil monarchists (even though I don't know anyone here who has called for RP to be a monarch, or even RP himself, but whatever). It's clear you are all closer to the side of IR than you are the people. You want things to go back as they was so you can fly in, get a zoghali burger with Amoo, and fly back to your western land without any difficulties. Status quo suits you. It doesn't for the rest of us, so if your position is everyone stop talking about IR and their bloody massacres over 47 years, you go start your own forum. Call it MullahFootball and Mooshtaba himself can have a column talking about who the cutest players (his kuni self knows best).

[FeLFeL]

Show me one single Mohebbi goal celebration with gun gesture prior to this one. I promise you can't find one, because there is none. Too much of a coincidence that all of a sudden he decided to be cute like that!

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say there wasn't any malicious intent behind his celebration and it just happened to slip his selective memory that 40,000 of his hamvatans were blatantly and brutally murdered recently; it would still make it extremely dumb and inconsiderate of him given the circumstances. It's despicable to try to justify and normalize it like "Oh yeah, some French player did it the other day". The point is he's not on another team, he's Iranian, representing Iran and he knows damn well what took place in Iran during the January protests.

At the end of the day when ppl here make all sorts of excuses for these players, don't forget that we're only asking for the bare minimum and an iota of integrity and compassion to at least show some level of solidarity with the compatriots whom you're representing on the world stage, could even be indirect (like the green wristbands Karimi and them wore, or not singing the IR national anthem), but instead we got: "These issues are normal everywhere" and gun celebration in our face.

[roozan]

lmao this forum has become so lame. god forbid a player has fun playing a game. every single one of you here, IR supporter or not has dreamt of doing that celebration in your head scoring a goal for iran.

[webmaster]

^ I guess the forum means people and they have changed so you celebrate with a gun once you play for TM but you better not normalize this gesture after 40,000 of your own countrymen were killed with guns. Consideration is a virtue and ignorance is a crime. You want us to be happy about what?? that our people were killed like flies????

F football if anyone wants to normalize such a massacre because of a game.

[Keano]

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say there wasn't any malicious intent behind his celebration and it just happened to slip his selective memory that 40,000 of his hamvatans were blatantly and brutally murdered recently; that was still extremely dumb and inconsiderate of him given the circumstances. It's despicable to try to justify and normalize it like "Oh yeah, some French player did it the other day" - The point is he's not on another team, he's Iranian, representing Iran and he knows damn well what took place in Iran during the January protests.

At the end of the day when ppl here make all sorts of excuses for these players, don't forget that we're only asking for the bare minimum and an iota of integrity and compassion to at least show some level of solidarity with the compatriots whom you're representing at the world stage, even indirectly (like the green wristbands Karimi and them wore, or not singing the IR national anthem), but instead we got: "These issues are normal everywhere" and gun celebrations in our face.

Bravo Felfel jaan, beautifully said!

[ramingeles2000]

Show me one single Mohebbi goal celebration with gun gesture prior to this one. I promise you can't find one, because there is none. Too much of a coincidence that all of a sudden he decided to be cute like that!

oh boy. i cant believe people actually think this. ridiculous but when bad faith actors like pahlavist/MEK twitter bots, Iran International and zionist propaganda pages keep repeating lies, some people are going to believe them.