Team Melli should be banned

[Iran_19]

Iraq invaded Iran in September 1980. Saddam ordered it. You can debate whether Khomeini’s revolutionary rhetoric made him nervous enough to strike preemptively, but that’s motive analysis, not causation. Iraq crossed the border.

What this post also conveniently leaves out is the US role. Washington gave Saddam the green light, provided satellite intelligence on Iranian troop positions, supplied chemical weapons precursors, and kept him economically afloat while he gassed Iranian soldiers and Kurdish civilians. Calling this ‘Khomeini’s war’ while erasing all of that isn’t an oversight, it’s a choice.

Let’s go through the rest of your post:

Created by Khomeini: False. Saddam ordered the invasion.

True aggressor was the IR: False by any definition. The aggressor is whoever crosses the border first. That was Iraq.

Khomeini continued the war for 6 more years: Partially true. He did reject the 1982 ceasefire and pushed into Iraqi territory. But Saddam also had to agree to end it and had his own reasons not to. One-man framing doesn’t hold.

Saddam offered ceasefire and compensation while using chemical weapons on Iranian soldiers and civilians. The ‘reasonable Saddam’ framing is revisionist.

You message here takes real IR crimes and uses them to launder a fabricated origin story that absolves external actors entirely. And given what’s happening in Iran right now, we should be calling this out for what it is: This isn’t someone getting facts wrong. It’s deliberate revisionism being used to push a narrative.

It is true Saddam started the war but a real provocation was started by Khomeini!
Ebrahim Yazdi in one of his last interviews said, it came to the point that Saddam met Iranian ambassador in Baghdad and asked him to calm down Khomeini otherwise they find other way to deal with him, but as Khomeini said many times: اسلام و باید صادر کرد!
At the end poor people ended up with 8 years of miserable war!
same thing happened with his successor Khamenei!

[koorosh]

There are people on this forum who are clearly here for reasons that have nothing to do with football.

When that agenda starts bleeding into rewriting history, it needs to be called out.

So yes, I’ll push back. And when I did, I honestly expected a counter-argument, not a drug joke.

To your actual point: fair enough, I can see how someone reading with blinders on might clock that line as me calling Blue Blood an operative. That wasn’t the argument, but I’ll give you that one.

Everything else? Still standing. The US green light, the chemical weapons, the ceasefire framing. You touched none of it. That’s not a defense of Blue Blood, that’s just noise.

If one were to touch on the external forces in effect in Iran/Iraq war....US is but one influence. The narrative that big bad USA was a major player and gave the go ahead for the chemical weapons..that is revisionism...USA was one aspect of a huge and long war.

Who gave Iraq the ability to make the weapons? Germany and UK.
Who sold Iraq precursors chemicals and lab equipment.France, Italy, Netherlands
Who sold Iraq their armoured vehicles? Russia and China
Warplanes? Russia and France
Advanced war helicopters? France
State of the art rockets (Exocet)? France 812 of them!
Surface to Ship missiles (Silkworms)? China
SCUD missiles that rained on us? Russia
Money? Saudi, UAE and other PG states..to the tune of 35 to50 billion dollars (three times as much in today's money).

So yes, USA supported Iraq and blocked UN efforts in condemning chemical weapons use but so did other parties. France and USSR worked hard for Iraq not to get sanctions for chemical weapons use... because Iraq was a major customer. So European powers (and a whole host of Arab states) armed Iraq with chemical weapons and prevented condemnation of its actions.

Meanwhile at the same time...US started dealing with Iran, Reagan sent Khomeini an autographed Koran, US sold Iran Tow missiles and Anti aircraft parts.

Two nations with crazy leaders started fighting and everyone took advantage of it or at least pushed its own agenda.

What Blue Blood was saying is fairly correct...Saddam, the butcher of Baghdad, started the war. By june 1982 withdrew from all Iranian territory and at multiple junctures wanted a ceasefire or peace but Khomeini the butcher of Tehran did not agree. This is not revisionism..this is how I remember it. Fact check it.

[Bavafa]

Launder a
Fabricated Origin Story
Absolved external actors entirely
Deliberate revisionism


The way you put it, Blue Blood is some master manipulator of history with a subversive mission to brainwash a few soccer fanatics. Or maybe he was trained in the deep arts of sowing division and reaping recruits?

Maybe his handle is aptly named and he is Reza Pahlavi himself?

And his absolution was so underhanded...without even naming them, he released them all!

Get off the drugs mate! This is all your fabrication. And again with the hyperbole!

There are people on this forum who are clearly here for reasons that have nothing to do with football.

When that agenda starts bleeding into rewriting history, it needs to be called out.

So yes, I’ll push back. And when I did, I honestly expected a counter-argument, not a drug joke.

To your actual point: fair enough, I can see how someone reading with blinders on might clock that line as me calling Blue Blood an operative. That wasn’t the argument, but I’ll give you that one.

Everything else? Still standing. The US green light, the chemical weapons, the ceasefire framing. You touched none of it. That’s not a defense of Blue Blood, that’s just noise.

[koorosh]

You message here takes real IR crimes and uses them to launder a fabricated origin story that absolves external actors entirely. And given what’s happening in Iran right now, we should be calling this out for what it is: This isn’t someone getting facts wrong. It’s deliberate revisionism being used to push a narrative.

Launder a
Fabricated Origin Story
Absolved external actors entirely
Deliberate revisionism


The way you put it, Blue Blood is some master manipulator of history with a subversive mission to brainwash a few soccer fanatics. Or maybe he was trained in the deep arts of sowing division and reaping recruits?

Maybe his handle is aptly named and he is Reza Pahlavi himself?

And his absolution was so underhanded...without even naming them, he released them all!

Get off the drugs mate! This is all your fabrication. And again with the hyperbole!

[Bavafa]

In the early 1980s, many signed up as soldiers to fight Iraq. Many went to that war and never came back. It was a war that was created by Khomeini. The true aggressor was the Islamic Republic, but people had no choice but to defend Iran's territory.

It was Khomeini who decided to continue the war for another 6 years so he could suppress any anti-IR movements. To be honest, Iranians should have pointed their guns toward the enemy from within (IR) when the cease fire and compensation proposals were rejected by Khomeini. The Islamic Republic used the war excuse to torture, rape, and murder many Iranians. The entire country has been a prison for 47 years.

This is a different era. The Islamic Republic will not be able to use "National pride" for their criminal mischief. This is not a National Team.
Fuck them, from the federation, head coach, and the players. Bunch of misguided, spineless bisharaf, at the very minimum.

Iraq invaded Iran in September 1980. Saddam ordered it. You can debate whether Khomeini’s revolutionary rhetoric made him nervous enough to strike preemptively, but that’s motive analysis, not causation. Iraq crossed the border.

What this post also conveniently leaves out is the US role. Washington gave Saddam the green light, provided satellite intelligence on Iranian troop positions, supplied chemical weapons precursors, and kept him economically afloat while he gassed Iranian soldiers and Kurdish civilians. Calling this ‘Khomeini’s war’ while erasing all of that isn’t an oversight, it’s a choice.

Let’s go through the rest of your post:

Created by Khomeini: False. Saddam ordered the invasion.

True aggressor was the IR: False by any definition. The aggressor is whoever crosses the border first. That was Iraq.

Khomeini continued the war for 6 more years: Partially true. He did reject the 1982 ceasefire and pushed into Iraqi territory. But Saddam also had to agree to end it and had his own reasons not to. One-man framing doesn’t hold.

Saddam offered ceasefire and compensation while using chemical weapons on Iranian soldiers and civilians. The ‘reasonable Saddam’ framing is revisionist.

You message here takes real IR crimes and uses them to launder a fabricated origin story that absolves external actors entirely. And given what’s happening in Iran right now, we should be calling this out for what it is: This isn’t someone getting facts wrong. It’s deliberate revisionism being used to push a narrative.

[blue blood]

I’m wide awake

RP support TM after IR executed hundreds of his father’s closest friends and political partners.

hundreds of thousands of Iranians died in the war with Iraq.

thousands of unarmed children died when khomeini sent them to the mine fields, unarmed

RP cheered for TM, we all cheered for TM despite all this.

I’ve lost family because of IR, most recently in Jina Amini protests, had friends of friends killed in January, but I still support TM because I don’t let mahsa alinejad propaganda clog my brain.

In the early 1980s, many signed up as soldiers to fight Iraq. Many went to that war and never came back. It was a war that was created by Khomeini. The true aggressor was the Islamic Republic, but people had no choice but to defend Iran's territory.

It was Khomeini who decided to continue the war for another 6 years so he could suppress any anti-IR movements. To be honest, Iranians should have pointed their guns toward the enemy from within (IR) when the cease fire and compensation proposals were rejected by Khomeini. The Islamic Republic used the war excuse to torture, rape, and murder many Iranians. The entire country has been a prison for 47 years.

This is a different era. The Islamic Republic will not be able to use "National pride" for their criminal mischief. This is not a National Team.
Fuck them, from the federation, head coach, and the players. Bunch of misguided, spineless bisharaf, at the very minimum.

[PEJ]

The biggest issue for most of us who are pretty anti TM right now, is that some of these players who we knew were khayemals, literally doubled down and 100 percent confirmed our suspicions.

If you want to root for them, by all means it’s a free world. Nooshe joonet.

[Shahin K]

I will most likely watch! But as Shahin said i wont shed tears if they lose! I never thought i would say that one day though!
I could have continued supporting squad if it was just few like Torabi, Shoja, Alipour but we all know it is way more than were attending regime propaganda show.. that is why lots of people gave up on them!

and also, I at the very least thought 2-4 players would quit team melli for their sharaf. But 0??

[Iran_19]

I will most likely watch! But as Shahin said i wont shed tears if they lose! I never thought i would say that one day though!
I could have continued supporting squad if it was just few like Torabi, Shoja, Alipour but we all know it is way more than that who were attending regime propaganda show.. that is why lots of people gave up on them!

[Shahin K]

Either way you all will be at the game or watching the game at home

Dont Tell me you don’t care when youre taking the time to bad mouth our TM

You all clearly still care

nope, I will watch the games at home but with a lot of stomach ache from seeing an occupying flag used for Iran. I wont shed a tear if they lose.